replying to korp is a waste of time elit. dont feed the semantics troll.
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replying to korp is a waste of time elit. dont feed the semantics troll.
Well... this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
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Originally Posted by Araqiel
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Originally Posted by Bishop
Yes, yes they did.
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Originally Posted by Araqiel
But you proclaimed and let me quote youQuote:
Originally Posted by Araqiel
I do hope you know what "exactly" means..Quote:
So Debauchery got stripped of their war wins for doing exactly the same as SWEA*, but SWEA don't get punished?
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Originally Posted by Sig
And farming out acres.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sig
No, debauchery win traded to get ww crown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Araqiel
No. We were going for WW's, not land. The only age we ever went for land was last age.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
Also, check the records, we only needed 7 wins to secure crown, that war was for win 8. It is also why you removed ALL 8 WINS because you are BIAS and didnt want us to win the crown by only removing 1 war, 7 would have sufficed.
This is how I know you know you are wrong now. Thanks.
Im care about clean and fair play 1vs1. Last age i was put in very bad situation result from other kds play and i really don't like it. SWEA waved OOW Stripers for personal gains. This jumped you for long in chart. SWEA acted hell lame to Simians keep hit them for over 10-15 days. SWEA played Simians/Stripers for deal break us and GB us so you can win. Its was not only lame but hell dumb because gave us source for gain land. This result SWEA deal broke us for secure his n1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
How i told: Every ghetto can win with cheat. SWEA is good example for it.
You keep yapping about how we cheated, but you dont provide a single evidence for it. You played dirty last age as well, you did get gangbanged after all due to your actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Win traded?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
One kingdom let the other win intentionally by not fighting back. Same **** as SWEA / Pew.
At least Debauchery TRIED to make the war look legit.
The developers said the war was fake, punished Pew pew, but rewarded you with an eowcf. How is that so hard to understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
For a win we didnt even need for crown, unlike SWEA, who needed those acres to win, yet no punishment. Bishop admitted to letting SWEA win. Bishop removed 8 wins from us for 1 FW, when we only needed 7 to win crown because of our in-game actions towards the KD HE PLAYS IN WHILE BEING IN A POSITION HE IS IN. Bishop is bias, end of story. Its more than clear from this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Araqiel
As jessie would say, CRYSTAL!
Yes, you were going for war wins which is why you traded your acres for a war win - this is win trading. All kds that wintraded or fixed wars for war win crown got their wins reset. Bias would be if you were treated differently to those other kingdoms, you weren'tQuote:
Originally Posted by Sig
SWEA were allowed a partial eowcf, you'd rather they were dumped out of war so you can vulture them. That would be as unfair as allowing them a 4 day eowcf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Araqiel
SWEA/PP weren't going for ww crown :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Araqiel
Punishment was dealt out. Pew was suspended (for not hitting back) and SWEA lost the war win (They would have comfortably won... they lsot war win = punishment). AMA does not get to dictate who wars whom. If AMA did not hit into the war and pew still hit out the same punishments would have been handed out. It sucks but from SWEA's point of view they were warring. Like Bishop has said how can he do stuff based on what the community believes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Strippers case, if you get caught once you have probably done it before. The fact you got caught red handed meant severe punishment had to be handed out which it was. Will you do win trading again from here on out? Hopefully not as you have learnt your lesson which is what the punishment set out to do.
The end of the day AMA **** played the server, the server reacted. That is out of the developer's and Bishop's hands. Next time do not **** play your allies/others. Maybe if this happened towards EOA and you haden't shat upon Pew they would not have run to war with SWEA, simians they would not have GB you and strippers. What happened when ABs started **** playing people? The community reacted and made aABs which worked to some extent... but some wanted more.
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Araq... even if Bishop did delete all of SWEA / Pew's WWs it would have achieved nothing on the land/crown race.
We didnt need this war to crown, like i said, so it is not the same as a KD who needed the win for the crown. You were overly severe in your punishment of this win-trade because of the fact that YOU PLAY IN A KD WE ABUSED ALL AGE (robbed gc). BIAS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
You seem very dense, the devs didnt say anything. Its only Bishop hes a game admin, you been told this repeatedly but you dont seem to grasp it yet. We did what any kd would have done, we took advantage of the hostility between Pewpew and AMA, hey thanks to AMA we would never been able to farm these acres to begin with. But nothing you say is any proof of cheating, i mean how is getting "rewarded" as you put it cheating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Araqiel
You got the standard punishment, nothing more and nothing less. You are not a special snowflake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sig
So SWEA were immune from punishment because you didn't have logs of them offering anything in return?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
AMA had every right to vulture their acres back. Pewpew suicided on their bank and AMA had no way of getting them back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
Plus it was unfair on every other top 10 kingdom to allow SWEA to keep those acres, with only 25% gains on them, for over a third of the remaining age. You completely blocked anyone from being able to do anything about the situation. How is that 'fair'?
What WOULD have be fair was to reset SWEA to their numbers before the fake war. They were perfectly capable of crowning without the admins assistance.
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Originally Posted by Bishop
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Originally Posted by Bishop
No, you said its standard if the war win was needed for a crown. I have said this 4x now, we had the WW crown secured with 7 wins, this was our 8th. Not the same. I am a unique snowflake, and you are a BIAS admin who plays the same game you ban people in.
There is no 'standard punishment'. FREE reported a fake war, both kingdoms got immediately kicked out into normal stance and some provs were deleted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
What do you class as 'standard punishment'?
The actual fairest thing to do would have been to roll back the game to the ticks before it happened ****ing over 6000 people to keep 25 users happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Araqiel
*Edit* Araq I have never seen people get instant chucked oow when caught.
He has no justification for his actions. He was bias towards STRIPPERS because of our actions towards his ghetto all age, plain and simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Araqiel
what would've been fair was to not ****play allies and force known resetters to farm out to spite you
I didn't say roll the entire server back, just SWEA and PewpewQuote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
Speak to Peppie, or any FREEans. It happened.
Not by me they weren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Araqiel
Kds that have tried to fix war for war win crown has had their wins reset, whether they were number 1 or number 5 or if they needed that extra win or not. You were treated no differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sig
Say something useful and I might just consider giving you some attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ NA
I've tried to be reasonable about this and show that you were treated the same as the other kingdoms, but you keep spouting this claim of bias. You have exhausted my patience. Do not post in this thread again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sig
You didn't deal with the SWEA / PEW situation and the game devs have no idea about context when these problems arise. It would be more useful to everyone if you were the one calling the shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
And you are completely ignoring the main problem here. What is the standard punishment for being involved in a fake war? There shouldn't have to be any context to this rule break. There should be solid rules. If you are involved in a fake war in any way, then x happens.
This will stop people being felt ****ed over, and avoid huge threads like this.
"Changes to this Agreement and the Game
We reserve the right to modify this Agreement and any aspect of the Game, with or without prior notice. Your continued use of the Game following any revision to this Agreement constitutes your complete and irrevocable acceptance of any and all such changes. "
This rule here that you accept when you play basically means admin do not even have to disclose reasons why. The problem with making rules so specific is then people will try to bend them and quote the rules when it is punished just like they currently do with CFs.
The problem is the admins treat people differently because there are no rules regarding fake wars.Quote:
Originally Posted by American Badass
Oh come on, now you re being silly. One can say a lot about Bishop, but as far as I know he isn't getting paid to do this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sig
Should he devote all his time to this, and not be able to do anything except banning ppl ?
This isn't a game of money, or a multi billion sport. If things go wrong, the consequeces are a few ppl getting mad.
The problem is that the devs should develop game mechanics so that fw aren't needed at all, and develop more ways of getting strategy into the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Araqiel
They own it. They can do whatever the hell they want. Be happy that its running and appreciate the game more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Araqiel
Is your sig in reference to the thing after "The chase?" on itv?Quote:
Originally Posted by Araqiel
Well I have always know Bishop will not accept word of mouth as evidence. I have had logs in the past that put certain people in trouble and he said they could not and will not be used. Even if 99% it looks/sounds fake he does not do anything. In regards to Strppiers their kings were stupid enough to do the deals via in game forums. SWEA on paper it looks like they had no involvement. Thus the war was suspended and neither side gained the war win. NOW early age if this took place it would put that kingdom back to be stuck in EOWCF for 2 days. I am 100% sure that punishments before people have been suspended and remained in EOWCF and were not chucked out right away. The fact SWEA did not 100% put them into doing something wrong, they could not be suspended. Pew however WAS. They were hitting out of war and gave impression they had no means to fight.
This could have been a plan from AMA to make pew enter a war with SWEA and hit out so it looked fake so both got reset / deleted and / or SWEA suspended and chucked out of war for AMA to farm for 48 hours. With no solid proof... how would this have been fair on SWEA?
Its funny that the two biggest haters against SWEA in here is one from a dealbreaking cheating kd and the other one played in AMA last age so he got ****played (probably upset cause he lost his only chance to crown) :(
I wouldn't go as far to say I hate SWEA. I am not moaning about SWEA, I am complaining about the ****ty inconstant admin decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
You are moaning that SWEA got off clean (as they werent cheating) and Debauchery got punished cause they were cheating :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Araqiel
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It is clear you were using the game mechanics to your advantage and even when I told Bishop I had logs to put both SWEA / Pew in the **** i was told IRC conversations is not proof etc (I had a change in heart and was actually against going against honorable play to win)Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Im not sure about how much ppl "hate SWEA" but im not from them. You don't deserve my hate :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Im more curios are SWEA is going to win at least 1 clean war vs any decent WW kds. Need to alarm you WW kds are danger too.