Most and least valuable crowns

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Originally Posted by protector

We both know the logs show otherwise. And as said, you called a few ticks of no replies during my sleeping hours as ignoring when we had barely started eowcf. You're so full of sh1t lol, even now you deny it well knowing you're wrong :)

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No we don't. Maybe go reread the leaked log and you will have gained a new perspective on things, but here is a pretty accurate summary of the discussions that took places over 24h (iirc) : Emeriti's discussed the possibility of hitting into your eowcf and rejected it. Then, they were particulary concerned that BB would farm my ghetto (and our "cows") and use that land to own them (Emeriti), so they told me I really needed to secure a CF. After the messages were "ignored", people agreed it was probably because BB was coming for my ghetto. Then my ghetto razed like 200 acres of BB and some of them thought it was funny.

That's really all there is and there was no discussion about : "Please Bourreau, go raze into the eowcf of BB to protect us".

Also on topic, I think one of the most impressive crown was when Flogger (dont remember if it was BB or Pulse or what else) fought and won against the 3 abs kingdoms, in his way to the crown.

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Originally Posted by Bourreau

Also on topic, I think one of the most impressive crown was when Flogger (dont remember if it was BB or Pulse or what else) fought and won against the 3 abs kingdoms, in his way to the crown.

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The PULSING Trollfags (Pulse + Trollfags + Flogger) in age 55. Sanctuary, Mercy, Rage, then Mercy again were the wars. Idk why they started calling it Beastblood but they haven't been the same since.

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Originally Posted by Bourreau

It looks like I was wrong and the loophole was well-known under certain circles and even used. I'm glad that it's now fixed.



If you look carefully at who "speculate" about MEGA, they all played in the same kingdom (RoO) that age and are famous forum trolls. On the other hand, the admins looked into this and 100% cleared our names. Yet, the forum trolls still continue to spread lies. If you want to believe forum trolls instead of the game's admins, that's your choice :)

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You went from arguing to attacking the person you argue with. That's real class act :) Great attacks as well "They are forum trolls!!!" You seem to have no issues spreading your own lies but when someone lies about you suddenly get your panties in a twist. Admins came to the conclusions that there was no cheating but you don't have to be cheating to do shady things. Also RoO never cheated doesn't matter how much you imply or throw smug remarks. Sad to see that it took such turn and you ran out of arguments.

I'll post the straight facts about MEGA.

1) MEGA was founded on the concept of using a reduced number of provinces to have a high median and therefore reduced explore costs.
2) Wars were not planned/expected pre-age, but we did realize how awesome it would be to get a war win early when there was a guaranteed 5k ww bonus (and honor) to split between 5 provs.
3) MEGA started with 5 real 'known' good players, but decided we only had enough pool for 4 to use it. The 5 would have to random. Our 5th decided it wasn't so fun to random while the rest of us got pool so set sitting. He was on sitting for about a week total. The changes to sitting would not have had any effect on MEGA's use of sitting.
4) MEGA had a new known real player take over the 5th province early age. The new player didn't bait any wars and didn't use sitting.
5) The MEGA 5th province got hit a lot. Kingdoms saw 4 out of range provinces and one under-defended in range prov and smacked him silly. We got buttons. Some hits were from kingdoms we hit first who went nuts on retals, some from kingdoms we never touched who just decided to bash our guy thinking he was easy food.
6) In wars, MEGA max gained and did minimal damage to any opponents. No opponents appeared bitter or acted like their ages were ruined, or even lost any players during or immediately after our wars. Many complimented our tactics and the unique experience. None felt like we unfairly obtained any buttons as every kingdom we warred had heavily out hit us prior to war.


Unbalanced game mechanics were definitely utilized by MEGA; specifically the median based explore cost formula and the war win bonuses were used to our advantage. No cheating took place of any kind. There was no cross-logging and only one prov was sat for a total time of about a week.

The game mechanics that were taken advantage of were exploitable for many ages prior. I had initially told Bourreau that the province rules heavily favored such a 5 person kingdom several ages before when it was first posted that you could contact support to create a 5 person kingdom. Neither of us had time to play at that time and the age of MEGA Bourreau contacted me to ask me to give it a go. Part of the point was showing areas that could use rebalancing.

The kingdom rules included that we don't interfere in top kingdom play for #1 kingdom and we defended ourselves equally from everyone. Our biggest mistake was that one of our members hoped for a 'fair' war vs RoO and so we didn't EOA NAP RoO earlier. This lead to lots of problems.

Anyone acting like they think farming a huge amount of cow land from an EOA NAP kingdom is perfectly fine is kidding themselves. I'm quite sure that 100% of the people claiming this is fine (just steel?) would be in outrage condemning such an act if the cow acres were organized farmed to a top kingdom the poster didn't like prior to their fight against one the poster did like.

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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

I'm quite sure that 100% of the people claiming this is fine (just steel?) would be in outrage condemning such an act if the cow acres were organized farmed to a top kingdom the poster didn't like prior to their fight against one the poster did like.

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This is the richest, most ironic statement you've made in a long time. It summarizes your behaviour in basically every thread. And your position on the land transfer we're discussing.

First of all, an EOA NAP is simply an agreement between the two kingdoms. It's terms, enforcement, etc are not your concern. You do not get to be the arbiter of what occurs between other kingdoms, and whether or not its legitimate for them to do X or Y as long as they're not bothing making hostile in-game actions against you (which would constitute a double hostile. But we all know that Abs thinks hostiles end after 6 hours anyways so whatever moving on).

There is no difference between 'Hey lend us 10k acres to fight X' and 'Hey, ya, we're going to take 10k from you for an EOA CF' right before a fight, or paying gold for acres, which is an even better analogy.

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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

The kingdom rules included that we don't interfere in top kingdom play for #1 kingdom and we defended ourselves equally from everyone. Our biggest mistake was that one of our members hoped for a 'fair' war vs RoO and so we didn't EOA NAP RoO earlier. This lead to lots of problems.

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Its why i say you need to try game for real in shell kingdom. Not with your friends from ABS having his opinion for fair or not. When you play in ghetto all what you want from big kingdoms is CF and to left you alone. You don't have say about what is fair or not in top and you don't interfere in any way not only for top 1 but for top 5 or 10. Its not your job.
Being in small kingdom mean you just play game with no expectations and see how its will go.

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don't be monarch, don't share your location with your friends, don't make any kind diplomatist for your kd. Its only way for you to see game from different angle.

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Originally Posted by Elit

Its why i say you need to try game for real in shell kingdom. Not with your friends from ABS having his opinion for fair or not. When you play in ghetto all what you want from big kingdoms is CF and to left you alone. You don't have say about what is fair or not in top and you don't interfere in any way not only for top 1 but for top 5 or 10. Its not your job.
Being in small kingdom mean you just play game with no expectations and see how its will go.

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don't be monarch, don't share your location with your friends, don't make any kind diplomatist for your kd. Its only way for you to see game from different angle.

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We call this "Pulling a Strat0castle".

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Originally Posted by makeo

We call this "Pulling a Strat0castle".

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Edit: " Going full Strat0" is where you also don't bother to take a SoT or SoM and eyeball every attack.

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Originally Posted by Bourreau

No we don't. Maybe go reread the leaked log and you will have gained a new perspective on things, but here is a pretty accurate summary of the discussions that took places over 24h (iirc) : Emeriti's discussed the possibility of hitting into your eowcf and rejected it. Then, they were particulary concerned that BB would farm my ghetto (and our "cows") and use that land to own them (Emeriti), so they told me I really needed to secure a CF. After the messages were "ignored", people agreed it was probably because BB was coming for my ghetto. Then my ghetto razed like 200 acres of BB and some of them thought it was funny.

That's really all there is and there was no discussion about : "Please Bourreau, go raze into the eowcf of BB to protect us".

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Why do you want ME to go reread the logs? You're the one living in denial, not me.
You sent an ingame message at 2am my time, I woke up at 7 or 8am. You call that ignoring? And you hit like 4 hours after that message you sent.

If I would have had ex-BB players hit into wars, I'd get GBed for it as well.

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Originally Posted by octobrev

The PULSING Trollfags (Pulse + Trollfags + Flogger) in age 55. Sanctuary, Mercy, Rage, then Mercy again were the wars. Idk why they started calling it Beastblood but they haven't been the same since.

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I think jss came up with that name.
IMO we had a better roster at some point than in age 55 though! We had plenty of nubs in 55 :p. Is the full roster still listed somewhere? I remember most but not all

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Originally Posted by protector

Why do you want ME to go reread the logs? You're the one living in denial, not me.
You sent an ingame message at 2am my time, I woke up at 7 or 8am. You call that ignoring? And you hit like 4 hours after that message you sent.

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I know what I did and I know why I did it. All you have is some logs that you interpreted one way, but I think if you re-read them with an open mind, you will see that what I'm saying (the truth btw) fits perfectly the log. I understand why you believe what you believe, but it's false. For the rest, we're only repeating the exact same old boring technical stuff we did back then and I'm not really interested in that. Let's talk about it in another 2 years and I hope you will have changed your mind ;)

And don't remember I already admitted what I did was wrong and apologized.

Back to the topic, since I nominated the pulsing trollfags for one of the best crown, can you tell me the most valuable impressive ABS' crown you saw? ;)

Pansies faery age crown is the by far most impressive crown ever, and due to the state of the game, will remain so.

Remember that no one in any top kd would run faeries that age cause it was concidered the most worthless of races.

And had honor kds not land dropped with razes to be able to farm easier honor Pansies would have tripple crowned on their trepeat at a point where the game was at its peak with 130k players that age. The strategy with suiciding faery shepherds at -50% honor losses and 10 faery war heroes and 2 human war heroes farming easy honor for sick mods was simply brilliant from a strategic point of view.

Nothing have ever come even close to that performance in Utopia.

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Originally Posted by Bourreau

It looks like I was wrong and the loophole was well-known under certain circles and even used. I'm glad that it's now fixed.



If you look carefully at who "speculate" about MEGA, they all played in the same kingdom (RoO) that age and are famous forum trolls. On the other hand, the admins looked into this and 100% cleared our names. Yet, the forum trolls still continue to spread lies. If you want to believe forum trolls instead of the game's admins, that's your choice :)

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100% cleared your names is subjective.

Member when half of the current game owners quit Emeriti because of your actions? I member. So I can trust you or the game's admins, that's my choice. (He won crown that age, might have to agree with pam and put that on the list)

All of godly's crowns are the best crowns. /thread

I actually got banned for a week for calling Korp a troll once...

How is that congruent with everyone else calling everyone else trolls all the time??

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

I actually got banned for a week for calling Korp a troll once...

How is that congruent with everyone else calling everyone else trolls all the time??

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1 week is a bit harsh, I would gone with max 48 hours! I got banned for asking Palem a question. :( How is that fair? It seems some rules are just enforced when they feel like it. :)

That's why Forum crown is the most valuable crown. A true display of skill in the forever changing environment.

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Originally Posted by protector

I think jss came up with that name.
IMO we had a better roster at some point than in age 55 though! We had plenty of nubs in 55 :p. Is the full roster still listed somewhere? I remember most but not all

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Oi stop talking about me like that

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

That's why Forum crown is the most valuable crown. A true display of skill in the forever changing environment.

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Forum crown is even more of a popularity contest than the farmout crown, so I dont know about it being the most valuable. Side note, I still haven't been banned.

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Originally Posted by Bourreau

No we don't. Maybe go reread the leaked log and you will have gained a new perspective on things, but here is a pretty accurate summary of the discussions that took places over 24h (iirc) : Emeriti's discussed the possibility of hitting into your eowcf and rejected it. Then, they were particulary concerned that BB would farm my ghetto (and our "cows") and use that land to own them (Emeriti), so they told me I really needed to secure a CF. After the messages were "ignored", people agreed it was probably because BB was coming for my ghetto. Then my ghetto razed like 200 acres of BB and some of them thought it was funny.

That's really all there is and there was no discussion about : "Please Bourreau, go raze into the eowcf of BB to protect us".

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If emiriti rejected it, why would they have suggested it to you still.

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Originally Posted by Bourreau

I know what I did and I know why I did it. All you have is some logs that you interpreted one way, but I think if you re-read them with an open mind, you will see that what I'm saying (the truth btw) fits perfectly the log. I understand why you believe what you believe, but it's false. For the rest, we're only repeating the exact same old boring technical stuff we did back then and I'm not really interested in that. Let's talk about it in another 2 years and I hope you will have changed your mind ;)

And don't remember I already admitted what I did was wrong and apologized.

Back to the topic, since I nominated the pulsing trollfags for one of the best crown, can you tell me the most valuable impressive ABS' crown you saw? ;)

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First Beauty crown. First beating ZZ, then beating Playboys/monkeys* right after. Both #1 at the time.


*think pbs but could be monkeys.

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Originally Posted by SnirpsneR

If emiriti rejected it, why would they have suggested it to you still.

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Just trust him, he speaks the truth! Everything he says is the God given truth.

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Originally Posted by Band of Horses

Forum crown is even more of a popularity contest than the farmout crown, so I dont know about it being the most valuable. Side note, I still haven't been banned.

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Means you haven't tested the limits yet.

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Means you haven't tested the limits yet.

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Or that BoH is a superior forum warrer. Mod game is part of it. (As is not getting Korp'd)

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Originally Posted by Shai

Pansies faery age crown is the by far most impressive crown ever, and due to the state of the game, will remain so.

Remember that no one in any top kd would run faeries that age cause it was concidered the most worthless of races.

And had honor kds not land dropped with razes to be able to farm easier honor Pansies would have tripple crowned on their trepeat at a point where the game was at its peak with 130k players that age. The strategy with suiciding faery shepherds at -50% honor losses and 10 faery war heroes and 2 human war heroes farming easy honor for sick mods was simply brilliant from a strategic point of view.

Nothing have ever come even close to that performance in Utopia.

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Going Faery was suicidal. :)

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Originally Posted by Syntico

Going Faery was suicidal. :)

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<3 Syntico. You back?

Only semisuisidal ;)

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Originally Posted by SnirpsneR

First Beauty crown. First beating ZZ, then beating Playboys/monkeys* right after. Both #1 at the time.


*think pbs but could be monkeys.

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+1

ZZ actually collapsed in terror when Beauty came for them and instead of fighting back, farmed their land to Playboys in an attempt to get their allies #1. Playboys and Beauty both had a term cf and after both had full preps, Beauty then farmed Playboys for the crown.

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Originally Posted by Shai

<3 Syntico. You back?

Only semisuisidal ;)

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No bro. There's nothing left to prove. ;)

Do I need to start a petition to get you to include TFC in your sig?

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Originally Posted by Syntico

No bro. There's nothing left to prove. ;)

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haha there havent been anything left to prove since june 2003 but you can still have some fun :)

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Means you haven't tested the limits yet.

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I've pushed it. I just know right where it is. I've brought the warning and allowed others to go beyond it and collect the ban. I'm actually not trying to glorify my behavior, I should actually be more respectful.

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Originally Posted by makeo

Or that BoH is a superior forum warrer. Mod game is part of it. (As is not getting Korp'd)

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Thanks :)

How to never get banned:
1. Don't post something so obviously awful that you will get banned immediately
2. When the mods say stop, stop.

Poof, mystery unraveled lol

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Originally Posted by Palem

Do I need to start a petition to get you to include TFC in your sig?

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Twas a nice quiet retirement home for me with no commitments I could just log in twice a week a dice, the last time I ever logged in to a province was in the TFC. ;)

And +1 prestige to TFC

The most hilarious crown was the 10 province expendables and winning land/nw by the end of it.

My favorite crown was beating Dreams while they were trying to triple crown and ending their age.

BF & Pansies are easily the top 3 best kd's ever so their crowns definitely deserve to be the most valuable.

A recent selection is a Pulse/BB crown that resulted in them warring like the entire top and beating almost every top kd to crown, instead of the retarded gold for land meta, or ****play meta that's pretty common these days.

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Originally Posted by Band of Horses

I've pushed it. I just know right where it is.

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That's just fine if mediocrity is an option. What do you think, have the best motorbike riders ever fallen of a motorbike?

A perfect motorbike rider would never fall

Oh naw you didn't.

Everyone needs to let Age 50 go. The story constantly evolves every time I read it. At the end of the day, there's liability all around. If I were to apportion it, I would say I was responsible for 55% of it, Rage 25% of it, and other parties 20%. But you know what, I wouldn't change a damn thing. Age 44 to 45 was one of the highlights of my career.

Elit: It was my fault that the situation got out of hand in Age 50. Glad it worked out. One thing I want to say though, I think in all the versions of the stories I read, you've never pointed out that Versace also tipped you about Fratzia's malicious EoA motives. If the Rage hack hurt you, Fratzia's hack surely helped you. You can't have it both ways. Beyond that, Webmaster ****ed that up royally. His inexperience made him lose a sure win.

ASF: It was my fault that circumstances made you more active than you want in Age 46. I also want to point out, clarey was the one who made the public declaration. I was just an idler at that point, so I wasn't making any declarations. However, unlike CGG, I sincerely did not have the ability to tell Sonata to stop at that point. It's hard to explain, but I never lead Sonata with a true hierarchical structure. The kingdom was built on the premise of friendship and democratic rule. I think even during Age 44-45, I "led" in the sense I had ultimate veto powers for stupid things. But for what it's worth, Phlayre had the same veto powers. phiwha also had veto powers for things that would threaten his cowplay and so on. I never saw myself as "above" Phlayre, but circumstances basically worked out where I exercised my veto powers the most. I was a leader by "force" if you will. I guess I was pretty effective because Age 46 was basically bad decisions after bad decisions that culminated into the deal break.

I wish you guys knew more about Phlayre. I love the man, and his contributions to our peak success are way underrated. No one ever talks about him.

But that's about right. I think octo would gladly attest that since Age 33 (heretics), nothing happens in my kingdom without me "knowing about it". Wilful blindness still imputes knowledge. If there are any more questions about stuff, I'm happy to answer. But please, let it go everyone.


Btw, I'm shocked you hate me Korp. Wtf mate. Don't hate.

Not a single blade of grass on the field was free to move without Realest's express permission. He maintained an iron grip on our kingdom and all of yours as well (thanks to Versace).