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21-02-2014, 20:13
faegan

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Originally Posted by Elit

This age We had Rage/Pyro/Pew going after land + Havoc. All Cfed till yr 10. Do you see difference? No any action almost all age and pick on rest kds. My kd was forced in b2b war all age. Till middle age Pyro refused to cf us with argument: its not smart let you explore/pump. WTF is this? You have only 1 competitor and you group don't let him get any chance for build cow or explore ever if its few weeks later from your cows. Its have noting with fair play and noting with being confident in your skills.

Uhm...isn't the whole point of alliances to reduce the chances of "interference" of other parties, be it another alliance or a single kingdom?

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Last age Rage gained unfair 80k land from intentional farming. Drixx refuse all our proposed and insist his deal terms. Did he razed land or get GBed for not raze land? No we decide its better to take deal he propose from GB kd. What we have now. You GB so easy and so happy. You think its fair?

Elit, you know very well that trying to steal the crown by dealbreak is #1 on ****list. If you get it because some kingdom farms out to you (intentional or not), that's not dealbreaking. To translate this to your comments about RBL: perhaps they just liked RBL more than AMA. Otherwise I'm quite sure they would have farmed out to you.
21-02-2014, 20:23
Elit

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Originally Posted by faegan

Elit, you know very well that trying to steal the crown by dealbreak is #1 on ****list.

We never planed to win age this way. All what we did is fair punish Havoc for his lame play. :)
21-02-2014, 20:27
faegan

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Originally Posted by Elit

We never planed to win age this way. All what we did is fair punish Havoc for his lame play. :)

Fine. So intra raze and be done with it.

What separates lame play from **** play? By your definition: lame play is trolling and "unfair" diplomacy, while ****play is what?

Oh wait:
Lame play - does not have direct effect on in game standings
**** play - has direct impact on in game standings

Something like that?

Final edit: I need to run an errand for a moment, don't spam more than 10 pages or I will have to spend 1/2 a day to keep up with the replies.
21-02-2014, 20:28
Band of Horses

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Originally Posted by Elit

We never planed to win age this way. All what we did is fair punish Havoc for his lame play. :)

There had to be a promise break in there somewhere.
21-02-2014, 20:31
Elit

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Originally Posted by Band of Horses

There had to be a promise break in there somewhere.

You are still alive ! Did you miss this post? :P

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Originally Posted by Elit

Im disappointed from Band of Horses sit JSS. There is not recent post with Tractors. Still he sit better from BinBin and JSS wont find his prov dead. Considering Situation its prove Band of Horses is doing not so bad :P

If you going to sit do it proper ;)
21-02-2014, 20:53
Band of Horses

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Originally Posted by Elit

You are still alive ! Did you miss this post? :P

If you going to sit do it proper ;)

Yes my dearest Elit, I did miss this post. This thread was too much to keep up on and I was far too drunk as I was sitting Flogger's alcohol consumption. I promise to do better next time.
21-02-2014, 21:37
Remotes Sidekick

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Originally Posted by Elit

I was away. Remember? :)

BTW this remote is for sure ex from other kd. We all know n00bs in ghetto cant grow and dont get free cfs from big kds. Its how game work past 60 ages. I don't believe he is not connected with havoc based on all timings and how after we told he is connected he accident become active in forum and post propaganda. He can tell story in kindergarten if want ppl to believe him.

Elit i am pretty sure we have more connections/played with more of players in your kd, than havoc or pyro. just sayin
21-02-2014, 21:41
flogger

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Originally Posted by Judge

So Proteus/Flogger. This post which was 2 months back, You still wanna try to make out a conspiracy theory and blame havoc that they were responsible for the razes?

Sure, when you are aware that someone out there is going to raze your enemy right before your fight, you stop it. Kind of like what happened between us and Awesomeness recently.

Or like what happenned the last time hellrazor razed sanctuary's bank (maximouse should remember). I offered to raze my bank the same amount to neutralize the effect. Interestingly enough, it was other absalom kingdoms that wouldn't do the same thing that I offered at the time.

With such skilled diplomats as CR possess, it surely isn't hard to convince someone to get their revenge after their fight. Although what I suggest would require someone to believe in fair play. There are ways to neutralize the effect of people getting in the way of fair fights. Offering to raze my own banks is just one example that can easily be verified by anyone in sanctuary's leadership. The other way is to have people in the kingdom in your channel, and then just try to say "well since we didn't have anything to do with it, then we're fine just pressing the advantage." One is a fair approach and the other is an opportunistic approach.
21-02-2014, 21:48
Mikey^Mike

lol ab you silly nub you talk high about finding ama NeXT age i would begin to worry WHO finds you, lil gb silly noob.
21-02-2014, 22:01
RemoteAdvisor

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Originally Posted by flogger

Sure, when you are aware that someone out there is going to raze your enemy right before your fight, you stop it. Kind of like what happened between us and Awesomeness recently.

Or like what happenned the last time hellrazor razed sanctuary's bank (maximouse should remember). I offered to raze my bank the same amount to neutralize the effect. Interestingly enough, it was other absalom kingdoms that wouldn't do the same thing that I offered at the time.

With such skilled diplomats as CR possess, it surely isn't hard to convince someone to get their revenge after their fight. Although what I suggest would require someone to believe in fair play. There are ways to neutralize the effect of people getting in the way of fair fights. Offering to raze my own banks is just one example that can easily be verified by anyone in sanctuary's leadership. The other way is to have people in the kingdom in your channel, and then just try to say "well since we didn't have anything to do with it, then we're fine just pressing the advantage." One is a fair approach and the other is an opportunistic approach.

There is nobody in CR or in any other kingdoms that could have "talked us" out of razing AMA. We do our own thing, you ****play us, it will hurt. You're fair to us, we're fair to you. Also, I admire your past proposition about razing your own banks, but in this particular situation, it makes no sense to raze your own bank because your enemy made mistakes (1) not training defense/CFing their threats and 2) ****playing people that will strike back).
21-02-2014, 22:15
Elit

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Originally Posted by RemoteAdvisor

There is nobody in CR or in any other kingdoms that could have "talked us" out of razing AMA. We do our own thing, you ****play us, it will hurt. You're fair to us, we're fair to you. Also, I admire your past proposition about razing your own banks, but in this particular situation, it makes no sense to raze your own bank because your enemy made mistakes (1) not training defense/CFing their threats and 2) ****playing people that will strike back).

I have read this kind ABS propaganda many times in past. Make sure you don't miss single post where we accuse Havoc and defend them hard :P
21-02-2014, 22:16
topsy's revenge

Flogger, as the logs that you spied on us show we didn't know until after the events happened(same time ama/bb and the rest of the server). Indeed Gacib didn't know about it until after it happened based on his own comments.

I still await your apology for spying in our channel and then making false accusations based on not reading the actual logs.
21-02-2014, 22:29
American Badass

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Originally Posted by faegan

Uhm...isn't the whole point of alliances to reduce the chances of "interference" of other parties, be it another alliance or a single kingdom?

Elit, you know very well that trying to steal the crown by dealbreak is #1 on ****list. If you get it because some kingdom farms out to you (intentional or not), that's not dealbreaking. To translate this to your comments about RBL: perhaps they just liked RBL more than AMA. Otherwise I'm quite sure they would have farmed out to you.

For a fair solution to AVOID dealbreaks from others Rage withdrew from the land race. No one said anything of the NW race and now this is being blown up in our face :O

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Originally Posted by Mikey^Mike

lol ab you silly nub you talk high about finding ama NeXT age i would begin to worry WHO finds you, lil gb silly noob.

Whenever someone has to result to personal insults it proves Logic has bested them. Thank you for proving this theory once again. Let's also hope Fratzia does not run heavy sage again and come to us requesting a CF :O

More can be read here : http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...s-and-Top-Play

Also got to love post #12:

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Originally Posted by Elit

Im keep all my deals so your trolling mean noting.
21-02-2014, 22:42
Elit

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Originally Posted by American Badass

Also got to love post #12:

Its correct. Its not me broke deal. I told kd to do other but i was away and they didn't listen. Same how Havoc not listen to Zauper. :P
21-02-2014, 23:54
Zauper

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Originally Posted by Elit

I have read this kind ABS propaganda many times in past. Make sure you don't miss single post where we accuse Havoc and defend them hard :P

The players are ex-rage I think, and didn't tell us what they planned this age. Probably because I warned you when they did last age.

Maybe pro pro should talk to them.

And flogger - maybe you missed, again, the fair deal offered? I'd think we would have been fine giving more time for AMA / pyro to war (because of the razes), or giving AMA gc to help make up for the damage from them so they could war fairly, but AMA never asked pyro for additional prep time to compensate for remote.

Remember: AMA deal broke not because they weren't offered a fair deal, but because they felt they could no longer best pyro.

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