Do you think this is a double hostile?

Just want to take some public opinion so I know I'm not crazy.

Paintrain waved us, we decided we can't war them.
Then, an hour after their most recent hits (we spoke and they said they would accept CF but haven't yet), a wave commences from WWE Champions.

WWE is z:z. We are y:y. Paintrain is x:x.

I get this message from them after their hits already start:

Quote:

---

Game Date April 5 of YR13
Real Date Sun, 6 Dec at 21:22 GMT+00:00
Sender The Wealthy Knight Book end of Booker T (z:z)
Recipient King Moeby the Sorcerer of Skara Brae (y:y)
Subject Hi

As it seems you guys arnt hostile i assume you are still open to have a war?

---

My response:

Quote:

---

Sender King Moeby the Sorcerer of Skara Brae (y:y)
Recipient The Wealthy Knight Book end of Booker T (z:z)
Subject Re:Hi

What is wrong with you?

we have eaten 10+ hits from x:x and they have not closed off relations yet
of course we are still hostile

---

And he says back:

Quote:

---

Sender The Wealthy Knight Book end of Booker T (z:z)
Recipient King Moeby the Sorcerer of Skara Brae (y:y)
Subject Re:Hi

Its no hostile, if you dont hit back.

---

Let me post the relevant news.

PainTrain’s Hits:
March 10 of YR13 PainTrain we retal stfo (x:x) has begun a Emerald Dragon project against us!
March 10 of YR13 Straight Outta Compton (x:x) invaded Rogue mystic or cleric (y:y) and captured 215 acres of land.
March 10 of YR13 Soviet Psi Storms (x:x) invaded Bilbo (y:y) and captured 143 acres of land.
March 10 of YR13 An unknown province from PainTrain we retal stfo (x:x) invaded Hui (y:y) and captured 177 acres of land.
March 10 of YR13 Dreaming (x:x) invaded Icecream (y:y) and captured 207 acres of land.
March 10 of YR13 Dreaming (x:x) invaded its friday (y:y) and killed 827 people.
March 10 of YR13 TefloN DoN (x:x) invaded its friday (y:y) and killed 950 people.
March 11 of YR13 An unknown province from PainTrain HOSTILE stfo (x:x) invaded Romanian Pimp (y:y) and captured 259 acres of land.
March 11 of YR13 IWelcomeOurNewPurpleOverlords (x:x) razed 99 acres of Arrggghhh (y:y).
March 11 of YR13 An unknown province from PainTrain HOSTILE stfo (x:x) invaded Knakelibraksnabel (y:y) and captured 6 acres of land.
March 12 of YR13 Fric n Frac (x:x) invaded Romanian Pimp (y:y) and captured 186 acres of land.
March 12 of YR13 Fric n Frac (x:x) invaded Fryslan Boppe (y:y) and captured 180 acres of land.
March 12 of YR13 We have withdrawn our ceasefire proposal to PainTrain HOSTILE stfo (x:x).
March 12 of YR13 An unknown province from PainTrain HOSTILE stfo (x:x) invaded Romanian Pimp (y:y) and captured 129 acres of land.
March 12 of YR13 An unknown province from PainTrain HOSTILE stfo (x:x) invaded Icecream (y:y) and captured 129 acres of land.
March 18 of YR13 An unknown province from PainTrain HOSTILE stfo (x:x) invaded Spellsy (y:y) and captured 290 acres of land.
April 1 of YR13 An unknown province from PainTrain HOSTILE stfo (x:x) invaded Icecream (y:y) and captured 128 acres of land.
April 1 of YR13 An unknown province from PainTrain HOSTILE stfo (x:x) invaded Grinners Reborn (y:y) and captured 218 acres of land.
April 1 of YR13 An unknown province from PainTrain HOSTILE stfo (x:x) invaded Grinners Reborn (y:y) and captured 177 acres of land.
April 2 of YR13 Fric n Frac (x:x) invaded Say again (y:y) and captured 228 acres of land.
April 3 of YR13 We have proposed a ceasefire offer to PainTrain HOSTILE stfo (x:x).
April 3 of YR13 TefloN DoN (x:x) invaded BenjaBaby (y:y) and captured 229 acres of land.
April 4 of YR13 An unknown province from PainTrain HOSTILE stfo (x:x) invaded Spellsy (y:y) and captured 212 acres of land.

WWE’s WAVE STARTS NEXT TICK – NO CF ACCEPTED

April 5 of YR13 Big Daddy Yum Yum (z:z) invaded USS Enterprise NCC-1701-E (y:y) and captured 267 acres of land.
April 5 of YR13 Big Daddy Yum Yum (z:z) invaded Darkfall (y:y) and captured 225 acres of land.
April 5 of YR13 An unknown province from The Cute Doggerinos (y:y) recaptured 112 acres of land from Big Daddy Yum Yum (z:z).
April 5 of YR13 An unknown province from WWE Champions (z:z) invaded Darkfall (y:y) and captured 121 acres of land.
April 5 of YR13 Ivan Koloff (z:z) attacked and stole from Grinners Reborn (y:y).
April 5 of YR13 Ivan Koloff (z:z) invaded Grinners Reborn (y:y) and captured 66 acres of land.
April 5 of YR13 An unknown province from WWE Champions (z:z) invaded Ambiguous Name (y:y) and captured 162 acres of land.
April 5 of YR13 The dudgay brothers (z:z) invaded Say again (y:y) and captured 107 acres of land.
April 5 of YR13 Brock Lesnar (z:z) invaded Key (y:y) and captured 104 acres of land.

TL;DR
So over 19hours we've taken 20 hits from Paintrain, then WWE sends 9 hits (and counting), claiming that we aren't in a hostile.

Is this not pretty much exactly the definition of a double hostile? Personally I think this is unacceptable and I'm feeling rather angry.

Do you agree this is a double?

If it is as you described it, then yes I would consider it a double hostile.

my answer to all questions tetley asks is yes

I don't even need to read the question. Whatever it is, the answer is yes.

The problem with this is, Its a 1 sided hostile.Your not fighting back and have offered a CF.So its seen your not going to war or Hostile yourself.

By using this as a Hostile then anytime someone farms a kd who doesnt hit back ,then that also must be seen as a hostile and no one can hit either kd.
That a constant hostile wave by most kds .

Does it bite taking back to back waves yes.but again hostile should go both ways .

How are you hostile when you havent hit back and u've proposed a cf?

And realistically u got waved on March 10/11/12 and for over 12hours u chose to do nothing. I hardly call that a back to back wave

Happened to me plenty of times. BUT abit predatory from the second kd and since you obviously have no intention of warring either and they know it, I would not feel sorry for them if a 4th kd waved them.

Having said that it can't be the same as hitting into an active 2 way hostile.

Edit: need a third option in the poll

I think if you were the one hitting without anyone hitting back it would be a little different. Just seems really sleezy to be kicking a kd while their down so I voted yes but it might be only because I find the act deplorable.

Thunder, I see your point but I don't think that it has to by symmetrical i.e. that a conflict always provides both kingdoms protection. I think there's a difference between the feeding kingdom and the one being fed on. The feeding kingdom doesn't necessarily deserve hostile protection, the second one definitely does

Now if someone wanted to wave the kingdom making the hits, that's a different story. Because the point of our community conception about double hostiles is that you shouldn't be taking hits from multiple kingdoms at the same time. The kingdom doing the hits on us isn't receiving hits = their claim of hostile protection is a lot more sketchy.

Kandy are you special? The hits were separated by one tick. If a kingdom is hitting you actively and you aren't hitting back, another kingdom can't say "you aren't retalling, so we're going to double you."

Maybe you don't want to call this a hostile but it's quite clear we got waved back to back WHILE relations were still open with the initial kingdom? I don't see a world where this is acceptable.

Oh i agree its a BS move.But its hard to call it a hostile when its one sided.Neither side should get hostile protection .As mentioned above,Your poll needed a 3rd option.

Clearly a double hostile. You have two KDs that are now hostile to you and hitting. It really doesnt matter who you are hitting, that "direction" of hostilities maters not at all... because then people could just hit two different kds at once and say its a double hostile because they pushed the meter vs two kds. All that really matters is how many kds are pushing the meter against you.

the kingdom waving cannot claim hostile if their target doesn't hit back. But the hit kingdom should be able to have hostile protection until the matter is settled. The real question is what the second waving kingdom is after. Clearly they took the news, clearly they know you are not in any shape or position to war them. So what exactly do they want? My guess would be this is a sleazy attempt to get some "free" acres by a kingdom that otherwise would lose against you. If that is the case, maybe you should propose terms for a war such as...yea we'll war you in x amount of days foe example. If they agree, you have another war win in the bag plus the first kingdom should back off because you have an agreed war. If they decline all will see what said kingdom is made of and that they purposely hit into a hostile ;)

wierd to see that there are ppl who think this isnt a double hostile at all.. sad days..

If you didn't want a double hostile you should have warred and honorably lost in 48 ticks instead of being total wimps.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by bombdigie

If you didn't want a double hostile you should have warred and honorably lost in 48 ticks instead of being total wimps.

---

Thats not nice at all. Its easy if you have allies to wave the kds before you warred them.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

wierd to see that there are ppl who think this isnt a double hostile at all.. sad days..

---

those ppl are probably playing in (z:z) :P

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Loiso

those ppl are probably playing in (z:z) :P

---

you dont even read forums but reply me here, while you are ignoring me on hipchat :/

ooooooo tell me your contact info sampuan so I can ignore you on hipchat too!

As far as I'm aware WWE ate a wave from CR just 3 days ago making it hostile, while The U also hit in... double hostile too? Exactly same situation..

Also CF was offered to paintrain right?

WWE hit to make it hostile then stopped rather then a full wave, also offered you to send cf if you did not want war, yet you have not send any.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Aranfein

As far as I'm aware WWE ate a wave from CR just 3 days ago making it hostile, while The U also hit in... double hostile too? Exactly same situation..

Also CF was offered to paintrain right?

WWE hit to make it hostile then stopped rather then a full wave, also offered you to send cf if you did not want war, yet you have not send any.

---

i dont see being doubled by cr & the u makes it fair game to double someone else..

is it fine to double hostile as long as you offer a cf?

Never said it was....

I just don't agree with you, I don't think it's a double hostile, as noone can hit anyone else then.

So in start of age when everyone is pretty much hostile on islands, is it ok to claim hostile from the smaller kds? If so all growth/war tier kds are pretty much double hostile.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Aranfein

Never said it was....

I just don't agree with you, I don't think it's a double hostile, as noone can hit anyone else then.

So in start of age when everyone is pretty much hostile on islands, is it ok to claim hostile from the smaller kds? If so all growth/war tier kds are pretty much double hostile.

---

they have another kd that waved them and they just recently took like 6 hits from said kd 2-3 hours before the third kd waves in - i really dont see what is there to agree or not, this is one of the most obvious doubles ive seen..

That's your opinion and you are allowed to have that, but you should also accept others have other opinions then your own. I'm not going to get drawn into an argument with you here, as I simply don't care enough, I just wanted to comment like you obviously did.

If a KD is still being hit after the initial wave I'd say it's still a hostile. You can't really fault them for their opponent refusing to accept their CF. They offered a CF and didn't retal. Waving them is a cowardly act.

WWE could probably claim to not be doubling if they had waved Paintrain (who started their 2nd wave on the KD they waved (since that KD did not retal + offered a CF)).

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Aranfein

That's your opinion and you are allowed to have that, but you should also accept others have other opinions then your own. I'm not going to get drawn into an argument with you here, as I simply don't care enough, I just wanted to comment like you obviously did.

---

one could also hit into some others eowcf and claim its not war anymore in their opinion, but their opinion wouldnt make much difference on how their move would be percieved..

So who is the one double hostile? Let me wave them. Just hope they don't declare on me. Lol

This is not double hostile, this is gangbang.

The question I have is what if Paintrain (x:x) accepted the CF that you put out on April 3rd right before (z:z) starts the hits. Most would say that your hostilities were closed the instant the CF was accpeted and you are open for hits. While I voted that this was indeed a double hostile as the relations were not yet closed... you still could of had the same losses under a non-double hostile if PT opted to accept the CF prior to (z:z)'s wave.

In any event it was a double hostile and (z:z) should not have waved prior to the CF being accepted.

Such an Canadian way to approach this

1. See if this offends anyone
2. Do what the majority think is right
3. ????
4. Why does this keep happening to tetley :(

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Aranfein

As far as I'm aware WWE ate a wave from CR just 3 days ago making it hostile, while The U also hit in... double hostile too? Exactly same situation..

---

I don't think it's really reasonable to claim that it is both the same situation and that they ate a wave and the U hit in when you consider that the CF (CR-WWE) was offered and accepted 12h before the 3 hits from the U (which is very much not a wave)...and CR only hit 10 times, 5 of them in retal on a dumb raze.

e: Seriously, are you pretending these situations are even close to the same? Here's the SNs, our archive on top kds is usually pretty complete:
January 4 of YR13 An unknown province from IRS taxman cometh (CR) captured 163 acres of land from The Rock (WWE).
January 4 of YR13 An unknown province from IRS taxman cometh (CR) captured 267 acres of land from The Rock (WWE).
January 4 of YR13 An unknown province from IRS taxman cometh (CR) captured 246 acres of land from The Rock (WWE).
January 4 of YR13 An unknown province from IRS taxman cometh (CR) captured 216 acres of land from The Rock (WWE).
January 5 of YR13 An unknown province from IRS taxman cometh (CR) captured 207 acres of land from The Rock (WWE).
January 5 of YR13 The Rock (WWE) razed 465 acres of Shivakamini (CR).
January 5 of YR13 We have withdrawn our ceasefire proposal to WWE Waaaaar (WWE).
January 5 of YR13 Original Copy (CR) captured 224 acres of land from The Rock (WWE).
January 5 of YR13 Derp Factory (CR) captured 177 acres of land from The Rock (WWE).
January 6 of YR13 Heisenberg (CR) captured 170 acres of land from The Rock (WWE).
January 7 of YR13 Carolus Rex (CR) captured 161 acres of land from The Rock (WWE).
January 7 of YR13 Sir Buff Guy (CR) captured 139 acres of land from The Rock (WWE).
January 14 of YR13 WWE Champions (WWE) has proposed a formal ceasefire with our kingdom.
January 15 of YR13 We have entered into a formal ceasefire with WWE Champions (WWE).

Feb3YR13 The 115th Dream (The U) captured 74 acres of land from The Rock (WWE).
Feb3YR13 The 115th Dream (The U) captured 67 acres of land from The Rock (WWE).
Feb12YR13 7 Days of Plague (The U) captured 213 acres of land from The Rock (WWE).
Feb15YR13 The Rock (WWE) ambushed armies from 7 Days of Plague (The U) and took 106 acres of land.

Clear as day

It is a double...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Feint

So who is the one double hostile? Let me wave them. Just hope they don't declare on me. Lol

---

You're gonna need a bigger boat. ;-)

>mfw jwuzi voted no

Controversy = more posts = better thread!

I do this out of love <3

I don't understand the confusion.

The multi hits incoming from multiple kds make it double hostile.

The retaliation hits do not matter, unless you want to tangle.

And a good monarch closes relations with 1 hostile before focusing on another.

And all us Canucks are awesome.

Double hostile 100%

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by markers

Double hostile 100%

---

Definitely true, esp marker speaking from experience who is always doing double hostile

Doesn't really matter if it's considered a double hostile or not. Obviously it's inappropriate behavior by WWE. Idc how it's classified it's a bs move.

And a gift from cheetzy for WWE:

https://mmi676.whatsapp.net/d/n_rB35...K7V8ru7wZR.jpg