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Maybe FS should understand the word "honours"
I wiki the word "honours"
it means high respect; great esteem.
Yeah they should beg SS for a CF and give them free acres/honor and maybe a BJ(best job) at the end of it to show how honorable they are...
They waved SS for some honor - how many warring kds waves between wars for learns, how many top kds waves kds for land - SS didnt wanted to CF and choosed to fight back, so let the farm begin.
GL hf
Even the game mechanism won't allow them to declare. The nw different is too big :/
BB to SS tms.
If FS plans this well, they can whore good honor.
Gonna grab my popcorn when i get to home, i hope it brings a lot of action to the table as the age is so boring for the bottom (me).
There was this young boy that would compulsively shred papers. Didn't matter what it was, if he saw a piece of paper, it was getting shredded. He was simply doing what felt natural for him to do.
His parents, concerned about the problem, attempted to get their son some help. They started taking the boy to all sorts of therapists and psychologists. The boy hated this so much that his shredding behavior got much worse, which in turn made the parents send their son to even more therapists and psychologists. Finally, they felt desperate and took their son to the best therapist in the country. Everyone sat down and the child explained why he was shredding papers. The therapist told the boy, "You know, you wouldn't have to see all of these people if you would just stop shredding papers..."
Then the boy turns to his parents and says, "Well why didn't you say so?"
We all know you are allies of FS so it's easy for you to say. I wonder if you are still of this opinion if Wsk were in SS's shoes and not allied to FS. Let's see.. you receive one full wave while you have agreed war, then another full wave while cf discussions are still in place.
I had conversations with Francis and Markers about this situation on Saturday and it seemed to be heading in the right direction.
What happened?
Also, Markers had told me that they (SS) did not have a war deal when they were waved, but that they were working on a war deal. Was Markers wrong, or is the representation changing?
:))) we needed a rematch for that but u choosed to go wild so dont loose ur money on us :P
* from personal experience.. fighting a bigger kd just so u can proove a point never ends up well. We did that too once or twice :P You should have solved this on the diplo way, but I know its to late now.. once u started on this road... so gl hf... sad that it will be a farm war though
Farm war can get deleted? Haha.
Lets just have fun everyone.
agreeing with someone on a issue doesnt make us allies... Despite all this fuss I still believe what they did was ok cuz as I keep saying - why nobody cryes when a top 10 land kd goes and wave them for land?! or a warring kd goes and does a learn wave on a smaller kd?! From my point of view, what they did was pretty much the same, the dif is that the diplo between u and them didnt worked out for some reasons.
Iam kinda getting used to ppl refusing to tank a wave and choose to play victim role instead and make huge fuss about it. Apparently its standard behavior these days.
What annoys me tho is that ppl are actually considering existing war deal, or in this case even negotiations about war deal to offer some kind of protection ? Its preposterous to even consider this, let alone use it as justification for any type of action or behavior.
this is exatly why they bully kingdoms do this though. They think they can get away with it and no one will do anything about it. If Utopians sent them a clear message that this will not be tolerated then it would stop or at least there would be much less of it.
A while ago deal breaks were common every day things. Today deals do still get broken but not even close to as often. The reason is because as a community we decided to do something about dealbreaking. So now the ones thinking about a dealbreak have to consider how the community will react not just the kingdom they are about to dealbreak.
This is no different. If we say it won't be tolerated anymore then it won't happen as often anymore.
Well when you break a cf and wave without notice, after being messaged 10hrs in advance we are about to come to terms on a war. It is a big deal, and it is morally and ethically wrong. Fs chose to ignore diplo from march 5th til around the 24th - after that the damage was done, our fun war no longer possible. And a cf terms saying we can't get within 85% of fs honor is laughable. Why is terms like this even legal in the game? Forces chart shaping when you eliminate kds from contention. Because of those terms I figured I'd have fun and see if fs can win that crown with some retals since they declined war and no one else wanted to war us yet.
Francis, where in that post did I mention FS ? or you? guilty conscience ? Are you saying this is what you do and why you do it?
Wsk you could war ascension, they were interested in you.
Spartans and ascension war also broke down. In fact they asked us if we would want a jump onto a war, honestly, i think fs deserved the best to win the honor crown. Anyway Its eoa soon and they had firmly secured the crown so why not just enjoy this.
Fs gave a term for cf. Its insulting and even if we war others and they are just going to take away our honor if, and a big if we gets above that 85% honor range, it doesnt help right? So stand up and yolo!
If others in our shoes, let me know what would you have it done.
your steward agreed to those terms though, but you didnt confirm.. you didnt negotiate over it, nor did any counter-offer.. you preferred to burn the bridge instead, hoping for outside help you can gather & asking every kd around for helping you gb us - you are just beyond redemption..
Yea im pathetic then. Suits yourself.
get over it - we dont have to let you know about our plans, and all you had was 'talks' about a possible war.. you were basically sitting ducks with so close honor to us in the charts, with virtually nothing to defend it & it was only natural it got farmed.. as for %85 honor range, only blame yourself - your most recent action towards us was a fake war, and there is no reason to believe you wouldnt do it again..
Lol a fake war? Get over yourself. Besides it was more than talks, the war was set to be finalized. So next time you are in the midst of war terms and another kd waves you, remember this. And again, as feint as clearly stated multiple times, he was the one who did the fake warring. Not redemption.
There was a fake war? when did I miss this?
Whats up with these december 2015 nubs being born recently?
Cannot agree with this. What you are suggesting would mean that a kingdom can just keep going from one agreed war to the next and no one is allowed to hit them?
Now are you or are you not competing for the honor crown? If yes then you will have to deal with other kingdoms also competing. If not then what is the problem?
The term chart shaping was coined to describe a kingdom that willingly farms out acres/honor just to spite the current chart leader and make sure they don't win. One competitor engaging another is not chart shaping.
Ss was not competing for honor crown no, however we did need it to stay competitive in wae. If fs did not ignore diplo they would've known this. But ss is having fun still
Markers was not suggesting all kds abuse the honor code of staying out of agreed wars but saying you should at least respond to messages so that way you don't waste people's time or yours.
You also misquoted. Markers said how is trying to force a cf deal with terms that forces other kds to give up land or honor and make them agree to no longer try to crown legal? By all accounts the very definition you are shaping the charts by eliminating competition. although ss was only aiming one last war to end age trying something different
Nothing wrong with what he said. Weather you like it or not we were no1 and no2 honor, we wanted to secure no1.
You knew we are going to wave you, and you tried to find war asap so we couldnt hit you. Personally i think you should have jumped oow 2hs early and fullout wave KD in range, that would keep you safe from us for limited time at least, and maybe you would have gotten a war and honor crown in process.
Alternativly you could have get a deal to not compete to honor and we would leave you alone and you could have had your fun till oea. You wouldnt be first KD to agree to that in exchange for eoacf.
Option that was not realistic was to go oow, w/o cf deal with us and w/o relations with another KD, hoping we would let you walk away while we ourself dont have any meaningful war options and hand you crow in process for free.
Ofc we waved you, you can call us bullies and whatnot, it doesnt change anything.
You had option to actually war us before you warred WSK, we offered you to LD to your size and fight you for no1 spot. You stalled those talks, danced around our offer asking us to LD first before we enter war talks (lol at that part) and eventually fought WSK. There is nothing wrong with your actions, but you cant expect to fly under our radar for month+ and not fight us. You are not entitled to free pass to honor crown just cause you are smaller than us.
This entire situation is stupid, but i dont have have problem with you fighting back ... problem is you have enlisted another KD to aid you, and are attempting to enlist more. You are making fuss here simply as means to justify your actions and gather support for yourself.
Am I surprised ? No, just like you were "victims" of feint's fw few ages back that got your KD deleted, now you are "uninvolved" in Lost Souls hitting into our hostile.
Its redicolous you are part of 2v1 and activly trying to enlist more support for your goals, and still you have audacity to play victim here.
w/e ... FS pays it debts, lets play this out for now