Feminist kingdoms

Hey, I'm just wondering if there are any feminist kingdoms out there. I'm kind of tired of hanging out in kingdoms where rape jokes are the norm. It doesn't necessarily have to be a feminist kingdom, I'd settle for one where people refuse to tolerate rape jokes & similarly overt sexism.

I realise the recruitment forum is a more obvious place for this, but it's recruitment based around real-world politics, so I thought it might be more appropriate here.

If there is no such kingdom, and you like the idea, post expressions of interest here. Or PM me if you'd rather not post publicly. Maybe we can form a new kingdom.

I imagine there's gonna be a lot of replies from people who hate feminists in this thread. I should probably make it clear from the outset that I don't intend to engage with those comments. I'm not interested in a flame war, just looking to find some like-minded people.

We have had a min of 3 women in our kd forever. Depending on the age and real life more. None of that crap here.

https://i.imgur.com/zpUqfvM.gif

Id rape any feminist kd.

Edit: I hate feminism (not all feminists are bad). I love women!

What I think he means is he hates feminazis, not feminism

Actually have someone leaving. Let me know if you are interested. Let's talk.

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Originally Posted by Palem

What I think he means is he hates feminazis, not feminism

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He's a closet feminist. Doesn't want to admit it to anyone ;)

Good luck! Fwiw I also dislike the crude sexist jokes I see a lot and when I played my attitude towards those types of environments was such that cost my kingdom a good amount of players.

Neanderthal - I get an error message when I try to message you, can you message me first?

Khronosscoty - It happens a lot. It'd be amazing if everyone driven off by that crap managed to find each other and establish groups where that won't fly.

You need 5 posts, then log out and back in to activate pms. That or look us up in the recruiting threads. Should have contact info.

Righto, will do. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

Id rape any feminist kd.

Edit: I hate feminism (not all feminists are bad). I love women!

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How can you hate eqaultiy between genders?

I approve of equal rights and opportunities. I dont believe in forcing the image upon women that if theyre not fully independent theyve failed, or if they dont want a career and are fine doing the laundry and tend to the children.

I also think most sexists jokes are genuinely funny (works both ways although from my experience women have a different kind of humor mostly lost on me personally).

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

I approve of equal rights and opportunities.

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That's literally all (basic) feminism is lol

All of the ridiculous feminazi "Men are pigs and women must be CEOs" stupidity are just vocal, angry hippies that need to blame their dad's for why their lives aren't great.

I'm happy someone is finding a kingdom environment where they can feel at home. Bravo, Neanderthal.

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

I approve of equal rights and opportunities. I dont believe in forcing the image upon women that if theyre not fully independent theyve failed, or if they dont want a career and are fine doing the laundry and tend to the children.

I also think most sexists jokes are genuinely funny (works both ways although from my experience women have a different kind of humor mostly lost on me personally).

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But you said you hate feminism, you cant hate feminism and approve of equal rights. Thats contradicting yourself.

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Originally Posted by Korp

But you said you hate feminism, you cant hate feminism and approve of equal rights. Thats contradicting yourself.

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Well I kinda can, I guess, because I just did it :D

Just like I approve of equal rights for all races, yet don't think racist jokes should be banned or lead to persecution.

I guess it also depends on your definition of feminism. Perhaps my definition of feminism is what you would call feminazi's. That is to say, I am fine with pronounced gender roles within our society, as long as women aren't explicitly barred from doing stuff. The point is most feminists don't stop at equal rights and want positive discrimination to achieve their ideal of gender equality.

Feminism is not the same thing as equal rights. You could grant the right for everyone to display machismo and prove hard core-ness. Having a Y chromosome might not protect you from ridicule and/or abuse. You could also keep everyone in their place but make sure that an equal number of citizens at a particular station have XX and XY chromosomes. You could keep the patriarchy but split the top with an mirror equivalent matriarchy. We could raise an elite girl to believe she is entitled to make commoner males do degrading sexual acts for her entertainment. Also make sure the inferior set of males are made to feel insecure if degrading sex acts are not desired.

I would be OK with our sexually aggressive matriarchs, but when you're using words like "inferior" and "elite" I think you missed the boat on the whole equality train lol

To the OP. I find your characterization "King-dom" quite offensive and a great example of anti-woman speech. What if there is a Queen in charge?

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

To the OP. I find your characterization "King-dom" quite offensive and a great example of anti-woman speech. What if there is a Queen in charge?

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An actual Queen, or a he-Queen? And I believe in equal rights for he-Queens too. They do demand more than equal at times, thinking the whole Queen thing will help them. Does it? Sure. Does it not? Also true.

I'm not sure what we are in my kingdom. I hate to label it. Dick jokes aplenty, I have to admit. :p

The best queens are he-queens.

I don't put up with that kind of bull**** in my kingdom.

That's because you're a goodlilwitch.

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Originally Posted by Palem

I would be OK with our sexually aggressive matriarchs, but when you're using words like "inferior" and "elite" I think you missed the boat on the whole equality train lol

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Not at all. "Equal rights" is not the same as "equal people". You could give all of your slaves equal rights. Would not mean they could leave or stop working but could mean access to enough calories and basic medical care would be given to all of the slaves.

Consider this example: All of the prisoners are to be shot in the heart with 3 bolt action rifles. Order will be randomly selected and all corpse thrown in the same ditch. These prisoners get equal rights (not many). There is no discrimination based on gender, age, race, religion or marital status. Feminists should be opposed to firing squads and/or massacres. An equal rightist would be concerned whether the massacre targeted a specific demographic because the targets were in that demographic.

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Originally Posted by pathetic sheep

Not at all. "Equal rights" is not the same as "equal people". You could give all of your slaves equal rights. Would not mean they could leave or stop working but could mean access to enough calories and basic medical care would be given to all of the slaves.

Consider this example: All of the prisoners are to be shot in the heart with 3 bolt action rifles. Order will be randomly selected and all corpse thrown in the same ditch. These prisoners get equal rights (not many). There is no discrimination based on gender, age, race, religion or marital status. Feminists should be opposed to firing squads and/or massacres. An equal rightist would be concerned whether the massacre targeted a specific demographic because the targets were in that demographic.

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Equality is impossible plain 'n simple and in fact should not ever, even be attempted IMO. I think people need to study the difference between equity and equality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educat...y_vs._equality

The other hurdle we have is getting over gender bias. If employer for example has a legit reason to discriminate against people based on physical fitness, he should come up with a test that legitimately, and reasonable, weeds out those who are not fit enough... and it should not be based on gender, because, not every man out there is stronger than every woman out there, and vis versa. (That is I borrowed with brevity the age old topic of men vs women based on physical fitness).

Edit: I think the reason we need to aim for equity is because in my exp in all cases that I can tell, men are treated equitable (to a degree), that is there is very little thought given if they are physical fit or not. -- I feel it ought not _need_ to be highlighted here but that if I do not I will regret not having done so, that is: I'm not about to write a entire theses paper here, I pulled one classic example in a sloppy fashion and to share that is all.

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Originally Posted by pathetic sheep

Not at all. "Equal rights" is not the same as "equal people". You could give all of your slaves equal rights. Would not mean they could leave or stop working but could mean access to enough calories and basic medical care would be given to all of the slaves.

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While I agree that equal rights doesn't equate to equal people your examples are some of the worst I've ever seen. Slaves, by definition are not equals in terms of rights. By being property you lose whatever rights your owner chooses to deny you. Likewise your prisoners are not enjoying equal rights because there are people in your example (the firing squad) are enjoying rights that they're being denied.

@khronosschoty - the endgame is equal rights, not compete equality. The goal is to embrace our differences and not outcast people for completing irrelevant reasons.

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Originally Posted by Palem

While I agree that equal rights doesn't equate to equal people your examples are some of the worst I've ever seen. Slaves, by definition are not equals in terms of rights. By being property you lose whatever rights your owner chooses to deny you. Likewise your prisoners are not enjoying equal rights because there are people in your example (the firing squad) are enjoying rights that they're being denied.


@khronosschoty - the endgame is equal rights, not compete equality. The goal is to embrace our differences and not outcast people for completing irrelevant reasons.

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heh I think you totally misunderstood me /me shurgs. I'm not even sure where to start? did I mention slaves? or a firing squad? The fact I mentioned we need to get past gender bias indicates I'm talking about equity and decency for all. The only way you can reasonable be making a post in comment to my post that is like yours here, is if you remove the _decency_ for all aspect.

Edit: I'm the one making a mistake here, your responding to sheep and me, it appears, my bad.

Also, I do not think its enough to have "equal rights" we need equity to be a heavily focused goal. There is no reason to empower people to have vastly (by magnitudes) more based on any reason; while others have next to nothing or nothing at all and die.

Just pretend to be a guy in a new kingdom unless you are sure at least the monarch is cool. Utopia is actually the friendliest game environment for women afaik. Facebook games, ppl send d1ck pictures. Other games ppl blatantly call you prostitute and sexually harrast you in public forums. Clash on global chat is not any better. Idk why gamer guys can be so rude really. Geeks need to chill. We are gamers for the love of god. We arent exactly cool. We are nerds n geeks.

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Originally Posted by newatthis

Just pretend to be a guy in a new kingdom unless you are sure at least the monarch is cool. Utopia is actually the friendliest game environment for women afaik. Facebook games, ppl send d1ck pictures. Other games ppl blatantly call you prostitute and sexually harrast you in public forums. Clash on global chat is not any better. Idk why gamer guys can be so rude really. Geeks need to chill. We are gamers for the love of god. We arent exactly cool. We are nerds n geeks.

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Mostly 2 things

1. Anonymity over the internet.
2. 14 year old boys are 14 year old boys and unfortunately some 28 year old boys are 14 year old boys as well. Some people just don't grow up.

I think pointing the finger at "geeks and gamers" is a bit silly.

You ever coming over to the light with us Dede? Hehehe

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Originally Posted by newatthis

Just pretend to be a guy in a new kingdom unless you are sure at least the monarch is cool. Utopia is actually the friendliest game environment for women afaik. Facebook games, ppl send d1ck pictures. Other games ppl blatantly call you prostitute and sexually harrast you in public forums. Clash on global chat is not any better. Idk why gamer guys can be so rude really. Geeks need to chill. We are gamers for the love of god. We arent exactly cool. We are nerds n geeks.

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2. 14 year old boys are 14 year old boys and unfortunately some 28 year old boys are 14 year old boys as well. Some people just don't grow up.

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Originally Posted by Palem

While I agree that equal rights doesn't equate to equal people your examples are some of the worst I've ever seen. Slaves, by definition are not equals in terms of rights. By being property you lose whatever rights your owner chooses to deny you. Likewise your prisoners are not enjoying equal rights because there are people in your example (the firing squad) are enjoying rights that they're being denied.

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I think the example works fine. The prisoners as a group are enjoying equal rights [or perhaps not enjoying their equal rights]. The firing squad is not a member of the group. You could replace the firing squad with something non-human. Think global warming caused famine, nuclear meltdown/war, epidemic. There are people who belief in "equal rights" but they oppose universal medical care. Fully informed feminists will almost always support medical care.

In real world politics feminists in my country (usa) rarely push for equality with other countries. You find people who want a woman as president but I have not heard anyone pushing for an amendment to allow foreign women to become president. First you join the group then get equal rights. So immigrate have a daughter and then she could become president. Feminist usually do support educating immigrants daughters so that they have all of the opportunities that come with excellent education.

Also in this thread someone is looking for a kingdom that bans misogynistic comments in their own chat. That ignores the rest of the server.

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Originally Posted by pathetic sheep

I think the example works fine. The prisoners as a group are enjoying equal rights [or perhaps not enjoying their equal rights]. The firing squad is not a member of the group. You could replace the firing squad with something non-human. Think global warming caused famine, nuclear meltdown/war, epidemic. There are people who belief in "equal rights" but they oppose universal medical care. Fully informed feminists will almost always support medical care.

In real world politics feminists in my country (usa) rarely push for equality with other countries. You find people who want a woman as president but I have not heard anyone pushing for an amendment to allow foreign women to become president. First you join the group then get equal rights. So immigrate have a daughter and then she could become president. Feminist usually do support educating immigrants daughters so that they have all of the opportunities that come with excellent education.

Also in this thread someone is looking for a kingdom that bans misogynistic comments in their own chat. That ignores the rest of the server.

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The point is to eliminate pointless "groups" that serve no legitimate purpose. You're saying that one group is entitled to rights that another is not. That's discrimination. Discrimination is bad...m'Kay?

Also, to say that feminists don't support women outside if their nationality is a bit silly. Generally it's feminists that bring up female oppression in the middle east or china's child limit policies. The reason local issues get more attention is because they're more important to most people since it's actively effecting them. Can't really blame them for that

All other things being equal, women will still have this over us:

http://cdn3.gurl.com/wp-content/uplo...de_eyeroll.gif

And you know why? Because men are just big children!

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

Because men are just big children!

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*applause* lol

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

All other things being equal, women will still have this over us:

http://cdn3.gurl.com/wp-content/uplo...de_eyeroll.gif

And you know why? Because men are just big children!

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uh... no

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Originally Posted by Halta

Hey, I'm just wondering if there are any feminist kingdoms out there. I'm kind of tired of hanging out in kingdoms where rape jokes are the norm. It doesn't necessarily have to be a feminist kingdom, I'd settle for one where people refuse to tolerate rape jokes & similarly overt sexism.

I realise the recruitment forum is a more obvious place for this, but it's recruitment based around real-world politics, so I thought it might be more appropriate here.

If there is no such kingdom, and you like the idea, post expressions of interest here. Or PM me if you'd rather not post publicly. Maybe we can form a new kingdom.

I imagine there's gonna be a lot of replies from people who hate feminists in this thread. I should probably make it clear from the outset that I don't intend to engage with those comments. I'm not interested in a flame war, just looking to find some like-minded people.

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I'm quite possibly the most feminist person in the world. Given that I'm male and this might seem strange or difficult to believe, not because males can't be feminist...but because that's quite the ranking of #1 in the world I'm claiming. Send me a PM and we can talk if you'd like.

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Originally Posted by Palem

The point is to eliminate pointless "groups" that serve no legitimate purpose. You're saying that one group is entitled to rights that another is not. That's discrimination. Discrimination is bad...m'Kay?

Also, to say that feminists don't support women outside if their nationality is a bit silly. Generally it's feminists that bring up female oppression in the middle east or china's child limit policies. The reason local issues get more attention is because they're more important to most people since it's actively effecting them. Can't really blame them for that

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism_and_equality

I have never met anyone who was a feminist and did not believe in equal rights. But they are not the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Halta

Hey, I'm just wondering if there are any feminist kingdoms out there. I'm kind of tired of hanging out in kingdoms where rape jokes are the norm. It doesn't necessarily have to be a feminist kingdom, I'd settle for one where people refuse to tolerate rape jokes & similarly overt sexism.

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In my experience, most of the rape topics that popup in-game tend to be about what players will do to each other.

At worst, the comments are gender neutral. More likely, I think players on the server tend to be aware that the game has an overwhelming ratio of males and while quite violent with a hint of homophobia, those talks have nothing to do with sexism.

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

And you know why? Because men are just big children!

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In my opinion, a lot of what people perceive as maturity is overrated and sometimes, downright counter-productive.

Sometimes, I think the term is applied too liberally to keep outliers in line with mainstream expectations driven by dogma.