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What is this about?
Sanctuary decide to rob us right after post war and havoc send notice. So we waved sanctuary again.
February 3 of YR8 Magikarp (x:xx)captured 2,729 acres of land from Drink as much as you can (x:xx). Nice hit
Prolly not the best move Elit.
Also a slimey move by abs :(
Where's the hot dame walking around with the sign?
Mom didn't ask us for a ceasefire. They were sitting with 300m gc on 0 thieves. Just days ago, they targetshared havoc to the server for sitting on 0 thieves on cows, resulting in dozens of kingdoms robbing havoc. So, it was a complete no-brainer for us to rob that guy.
Waving us to dodge havoc is probably not going to work out in the long term, but should be fun for both kingdoms in the meantime.
** The kingdom of Sanc **
Total land exchanged: +3,313 (13/17)
You robed from Havoc 28 mill gold too after they droped CF with sanc. All ABS and hoh leaders know it, and you admited it.
About havoc. They broke our deal terms atm. Our deal clear include they cant notice us before our hostile/war/post war end and we re-cf. So any hits from them before give proper notice will be treat for deal break.
You insisted we were farming and targetshared havoc to the server, when you plainly knew we were not farming. You bullied havoc into breaking ceasefire to prove we weren't farming. Then some hothead was so pissed at the stupidity of that move that he did 10 (ten) rob ops.
They can't notice you before a hostile? That makes no sense. I don't speak for havoc, but no ceasefire I've ever made has allowed a kingdom to dodge notice in that way.
this is luls.
How sad this all is.. MA won a fair war -- then all this. Silly.
Its not dodge we pland to have hostile/war them after cf you. But you "accident" decide to keep it hostile with us.
[20:28] <Elit> same for us, we wont be able to give you notice if you alredy gave other kd
[20:28] <goodz> okay
[20:29] <Elit> till its re-cf
[20:29] <goodz> that works for me
"Our deal clear include they cant notice us before our hostile/war/post war end and we re-cf."
I don't know if this makes sense so some clarification on this...are you saying if you war a kingdom (win or lose) and go into eowcf, you can't be noticed before the eowcf finishes AND THEN you re-cf whoever it was that warred you?
And if that kingdom decides to not send a cf....does that mean that you cant be noticed? That is stupid if that's what you're saying, I am just confused on that sentence. Which kd would make that deal?
I see your logs with goodz, I honestly think that wasn't clarified because if how I'm reading it is what you meant, that is a retarded agreement imo and I don't think goodz would have agreed to it if he knew that's what it meant.
In land chart there is not 10 possible targets. Propose on deals is to keep it 1vs1. Sanctuary never asked us for CF or droped his dragon, so far its same for us. Time when sanc start hostile ops vs us and havoc sent notice cant be track becase was same utopia date and few min window. Its clear we are in hostile atm.
Their Attitude To Us Hostile (25 points) Our Attitude To Them Hostile (31 points)
Its why ppl dont like ABS. Constant try to abuse his deals and power play.
So dorje you say it was no-brainer that you would go after our gold? Tell me please... was there anyone on that server that didnt know we are getting noticed by havoc right after we go eowcf? Not to mention you are alliance buddies. Everyone knew they were going after us right after we get out. And you still went robbing us. That's a no-brainer if u ask me...
They noticed you and then you were hostile with Sanc again.
They didn't notice you while you were hostile.
That's a bull**** reason and you know it. It was a legitimate question if sanct had a cf with other abs, clearly they did but also clearly the worries that havoc would let sanct farm their banks for gold was legitimate in light of what actually happened.
And you honestly don't believe anyone would trust your word that it was only "10 ops" do you? Everyone will have to assume that you stole the full 28M that havoc's bank lost and that's only one of their banks, who knows how much you stole from the other one?
First proteus backs out of a fair bet and now this, if anyone ever trusts abs to honor deals made again it would be a miracle.
So the $100 question is obvious, can Havoc/Mercy do the honorable thing and stay out of it and give MA fair time to prepare for the coming war or will they join Proteus and throw their honor and whatever reputation they have down the garbage chute?
The timing can hardly be a coincidence so I know what my guess would be...
Because you said so in the second post of the thread.
Unless you consider stealing money as being officially hostile with a kd, which I don't, but I do agree it's a lame move.
I would say that it is officially hostile if the kd doing the noticing is an alliance mate.
This can hardly be random, Sanct knew that Havoc was going to give notice and Havoc most likely knew that Sanct was gonna op MA, assuming anything else would be sheer folly.
Or is stealing gold in a manner intended to harm someone in an upcoming war with an alliance mate not a hostile act?
Random gold stealing is one thing but you can hardly call this random now can you.
c-c-c-combo breaker?
Stop multiposting please lol
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ninja'd :(
I presume by "it" you mean robbing gold from a 0-thief province. So you would say that Mom already gb'd Havoc via having multiple of their allies rob them at the same time? Or does your logic only apply when it's your own allies getting the bad end of the stick?
For me the problem is not robbing the gold, before we get notice. The problem is that Sanctuary and everyone else knew Havoc are going to notice us right after we get oow. And still they robbed us. For me any other moment of the age that would be "ok we were dumb enough to do havoc's mistake and lose gold". But knowing that we are getting noticed and to add that, by an alliance mate, shows only reasonable intention - weaken AMA before the war with Havoc. All other reasons posted are good excuses, and I would have been ok with them if it was not that timing. Let's see if Havoc starts hitting into out new hostile and tries to defend it with reason...
It's also a little silly to compare the 'targetshare' of Havoc cows during a non-conflict pump (which you also took advantage of, shamelessly) to the active and premeditated robbing of a KD you know is preparing to war your ally.
I dropped CF because you asked me too. I asked you if you wanted me too. Sanc did rob some GC from us and our KD told you it happened and that we did not authorise it (that is likely the only reason you know it happened). It was not much gold something like 28m Considering we just lost 50m+ from you leaking our intel on server. We saw you come OOW with 0 thieves on a cow and 250m gc and strongly considered sending a taunt etc. but then thought we would just send notice and wait. Apparently sanc robbed you of 100m gc. Before/After we hostiled im unsure.
My internet went out right when I sent notice apparently. Also just taking intel we got tons of oops errors. Is strange since havent had issue all age and sanc mentioned they got tons when opping you when you waved them or something. But I am going to assume is just something buggy with server! Or is CGG back! :P
But in seriousness I told you multiple times before we noticed that we were noticing you ASAP. First when you lamely hit an unbreakable we pumped offense to open up. He hit us and you retaliated him immediately 2x. Stating that you saw us break him so you were watching our news to see him retal so you could hit him. Personally I find that quite lame. I asked acres back you said no I said im noticing you YR8. Then you leak my intel, I tell you give me back 50m gc you said no. I said I am noticing you YR8. EOW came I took your intel, cello messaged me. I told him we are taking it because we will be noticing you. NO one complained about this the entire time. So I don't see why it is surprising we noticed you.
As for allies its not like absalom is the only alliance. We just tag. AMA as far as I can tell is allied with Simians/Ghetto cats?/beastblood/ex nihilo? I was told at start of age it was beastblood/simians/AMA/ex nihilo/bio? but not sure who is actually helping with that and who is just rumour. We were waved early by simians who stated they did it to help AMA for example. That is more coordinated effort to delay KD's then any abs did this age. I assume beastblood was likely asked to delay rage also. We just won both wars so now we are biggerish still. Anywho I have done my best to be fair all age. I think absalom in my first age here in general goes over the top to promote fairness. If I was solo I would have nap broke AMA ages ago for intel leaking me! But I in past have generally played a bit loose.
You assume Elit and MA have any hand whatsoever in that and that it's bit just some random nub? The difference is sanct and havoc are very publicly allies, there are no apparent connections between MA and the Elf dude, besides, if what Elit says is correct then he actually hur MA's effort more than he helped by possibly casting ops that overrode the longer duration op's MA had already cast. Besides, if he was allied with MA then MA would not ahve cast greed/riots on sanct which elit claims they did and anyone in sanct can probably corroborate whether that is true or not.
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There is a huge difference between what you are insinuating happened during the war and what has obviously happened prior to the war since both dorje and elit confirms it
No one is surprised by the notice. It's simply not ASAP time yet, so it's invalid notice.
They don't care if they break that term. Absalom will certainly enjoy it after all the whining and gloating Elit has done. What does Abs have to lose anyways? People have been calling them dirty for years. In most cases when Abs does something shady it's because the opposition is ignorant enough to psychologically provoke it. And what we're beginning to see now looks no different. Elit is little Bart Simpson throwing things at fat kids who will eventually come in for a schoolyard dog pile.
If the CF expired YR8 I don't think the notice comes as a suprise to anyone, what is suprising is that sanct started to op MA right out of EOWCF according to elit, that is a clear intention to continue hostile activities.
Sanct can't possibly have been unaware that Havoc would notice and being in the same alliance and all it's a pretty safe assumption to say that Havoc knew what sanct was up to.
If your cf agreement with MA says anything about not noticing during EOWCF or hostilities then you should have made sure your alliance mate Sanct stay away from MA, if they intended to continue hostilities they would have told you so the only assumption one can make is that you intend do double hostile MA which is an utterly lame move, much more so than any target stealing could possibly ever be.
A technicality, MA didn't necessarily have to be watching you, they could just has easily have been watching the guy you accuse them of farming, targets are relatively scarce and any big target loosing land and/or nw is bound to be noticed.
Ceasefire was resecured 4 days ago, and Sanc and Mom were ceasefired for that duration. This was shown on your kd page, and should have been pretty evident to you. That logic does not hold, as it would imply that you would never be able to fight another kingdom this age since you're never going to ceasefire Sanc. However I now do understand why you never asked us for a ceasefire (which we'd happily have done), since you were trying to abuse your fake clause to claim that Havoc could never notice you until you ceasefired us, even though we weren't in declare range and hadn't fought in 4 days.