Orc War Hero

I am considering starting a heavy attacker province. It is very likely that I will land in a ghetto KD.

I want to know what is a good race/personality combo that will allow me to survive at above 100K networth on the server. I like attacking but I also am conscious about economy. Therefore I have picked War Hero for the extra credits to be able to build faster.

My build strat will be as follows:

20.0% Training Grounds
15.0% Banks
12.5% Homes
12.5% Guilds
12.5% Guard Stations
7.5% Hospitals
7.5% Barracks
7.5% Farms
5.0% Towers

I will attempt to maintain 2.0 TPA at all times and during war, I will change into this strat:

20.0% Training Grounds
12.5% Homes
12.5% Guard Stations
10.0% Banks
10.0% Guilds
10.0% Watchtowers
7.5% Farms
5.0% Hospitals
5.0% Barracks
5.0% Towers

I will attempt to keep 2.0 TPA and 1.0 WPA.

Just need some tips on how to survive after 100K networth and whether this strat should be modified somewhat.

I also note that I will be attempting to run an all elite offence. Is ambushing still an issue? If so, am I better off with a Warrior?

100k networth, pick anything but gnome.
Gnome works better at large networths, and dark elf used to work better the smaller you were, but now the humble chocolate elf sucks completely.

Homes aren't good at all for orc, because you're going to bring in and trade so much land, their effects won't ever really set in.

Run more barracks, and more hospitals.
The more attacks you can throw out, while losing as few units as possible, the longer you'll be able to endure.
Basic tactics.

I've considered what you have said and I am of the view that you have a good point. :)

Is Orc/War Hero still a good combo though? Or is Orc/Warrior better? Any thoughts?

It's decent enough, but I prefer human and dwarf for outright attacking.
They last far longer, and have better defense than orc, due to turtlepower.

The way orc is currently, it's very powerful in short, extremely bloody conflicts, and even more so if you field a lot of them, but their power drops really, really fast as war drags on, and they don't like dueling with dragons one bit.

I'd run warrior, because more attacks is one of the big three bonuses in the game.

I agree with VT2. Why would you run less hosp in war than OOW.

More hosp, more rax. You can drop towers a bit if you have some rune support. You may need more WT than that going up against a thief KD.

I find war hero very good when used with other war heros. Troop losses add up quickly. The credits are nice, but I would go with warrior if you can make use of the attack time. Ambushing can be an issue, depending on the type of KD you war. Some KD's use anon so they can't get ambushed, but that will destroy your attack time and if you care about honour that won't work for you.

Two attacks equal massive losses.
One attack with a bonus to losses equals less losses, and less land taken.

If you're an Orc/Warhero...How about you try this during War...

20% TGs
20% GS
15% Rax
15% Hospitals
The rest is up to you...;)

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Originally Posted by Major Player

If you're an Orc/Warhero...How about you try this during War...

20% TGs
20% GS
15% Rax
15% Hospitals
The rest is up to you...;)

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cause that is 70% of your land...

which leaves 30% for banks/farms/guilds/towers/homes

Personally I'd go warrior with Orc, especially if you are planning on running all leet offense. Otherwise expect to get ambushed and trad marched losing any acres you may have gained from your initial hit (along with losing plenty of leets in the process). Especially if you find yourself the only orc in the kd.

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Originally Posted by curdie

Personally I'd go warrior with Orc, especially if you are planning on running all leet offense. Otherwise expect to get ambushed and trad marched losing any acres you may have gained from your initial hit (along with losing plenty of leets in the process). Especially if you find yourself the only orc in the kd.

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+1 to that.

Though if they want to kill your leets they will ambush you anyway just because of how easy it is.

I think I'll go Orc/Warrior instead.

Similar build strat

20.0% Training Grounds
15.0% Banks
12.5% Homes
12.5% Guilds
12.5% Guard Stations
7.5% Hospitals
7.5% Barracks
7.5% Farms
5.0% Towers

Guard Stations can be subbed for Watchtowers if appropriate. Banks and Guilds will be reduced to accomodate more Hospitals and Barracks.

However, another question is: should I replace Banks with Armouries so that I can continue to churn out military? I know that Orcs already benefit from reduced military wages and draft costs but I'm considering putting up Armouries to supplement my Hospitals (which are in effect de facto banks).

Homes to 10% and towers to 3% and up your Hosp to 12 or so. 10% banks should be sufficience and you need to fit WT in there.

Banks are better than arms in war. You can certainly drop some buildings OOW and sub in arms. Maybe drop the rax OOW since you wont need to maintain as much activity.

Guilds can go to 10% during war as long as you keep building them up when land comes in.

does it matter what strat ?
its not like he could log in

He will be able to eventually.

orc/shepherd.

dont run barracks, the answer is to have a large enough offense to have a 2 tiered army so you can have 2 generals returning with land every 6 hours instead of 4 generals every 12. with your land % saved from rax run extra guard stations, watchtowers and homes.

this is a province designed to get chained and enjoy every minute of it. while you're getting bashed, hopefully ineffectively, the rest of your kd should be doing something spectacular.

also, the growth potential is enormous.

Orc Shepherd without barracks. Yet your still going to have 12 hour attack times?

You need barracks if your not warrior.

Effectively 6 hour attack times, have fun not sleeping. You'd have to be uber active for this to succed

Yeah Jobolob, feels like that when I am sitting and didn't get the other provinces army in sync with mine... have fun sleeping for sure.

Well, as an orc war hero this age, I found that once you get to a certain acreage, at least 1k acres, homes and hospitals were great.

I run 20% hospitals and I get about a 2:1 ratio of elite credits to elites dead. Therefore...as I grow, my offense continues to go up. Obviously during war, your build will change due to your situation. Ultimately, during wars, I never needed banks as all I was spending my money on was d specs. Buildings and offense were more than covered by my war hero personality.

orc/shepherd, it worked great last age and i have reason to believe it is only more effective this age. my orc/mystic this age however is...different, but still effective especially since im the war leader and it comes in handy for cbing whole kd's.

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Originally Posted by bigDizzy

Well, as an orc war hero this age, I found that once you get to a certain acreage, at least 1k acres, homes and hospitals were great.

I run 20% hospitals and I get about a 2:1 ratio of elite credits to elites dead. Therefore...as I grow, my offense continues to go up. Obviously during war, your build will change due to your situation. Ultimately, during wars, I never needed banks as all I was spending my money on was d specs. Buildings and offense were more than covered by my war hero personality.

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homes, nope... not worth it...
also, you never got ambushed, did you? =P
(P.S. faster attack time of warrior is ftw!)

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Originally Posted by protagon!st

orc/shepherd, it worked great last age and i have reason to believe it is only more effective this age. my orc/mystic this age however is...different, but still effective especially since im the war leader and it comes in handy for cbing whole kd's.

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ew....
you chose mystic.... as an orc... to help with CB's... why?
just build more guilds...

orc/mystic rawr. i had to do it once hah. i use my wpa to get cb's from everyone including t/m's when reviewing a kd for war and then casting greed/ms after war is initiated. ideally i would have someone else do these things and pick a different personality but my kd is t/m poor this age.

while you might say elf/mystic is more tried and true for an attacker/mage, i was looking for something different.

Well, I found that keeping around 1-2k o specs, depending on your size, does lessen the ambushes a lot. And this is between 500-1.5k acres.

Also, this whole talk about being ambushed does not happen nearly as often as some might say. More often than not, I found that KDs in war focus more on Traditional marches followed by razes more than ambushes. Ambushing is a much more situational attack than a damage attack against a warring opponent such as Traditional march and raze. And in your situation, Jinandtonik, I highly doubt you will get ambushed in a ghetto setting.

As for attack time, it's not difficult to include barracks. But, Jinandtonik, as you are going to be in a ghetto, warrior is probably better for an overall solo province. War Hero is more beneficial as an overall KD strat especially if you include elves and gnomes.

I think you should go...

33%homes
33%banks
33%mills

then..

explore like crazy.

now pm me your location and I'll help you out further..

;)

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Originally Posted by khedrei

He will be able to eventually.

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so hows that orc strat working for ya ?

at smaller networth warrior is probably a better bet, if you get around 300-400k nw war hero starts to add up but when your smaller faster attack time and not having to use anon is much nicer

Thanks for all the help everyone! I've been reading through every single post and the consensus seems to be that Orc/Warrior is more optimal overall but Orc/War Hero is rather situational.

I have now committed myself to an Orc/Warrior with the strat I have alluded with a minor variation in that I build more Hospitals than Barracks due to my naturally fast attack times.

Thank you again for all your suggestions and feedback. :)