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Hi all - as is traditional we have created this thread in Utopia Talk so that the players can submit suggestions for next age changes. To give you guys some idea of what items the developers would like to look at they have asked us to provide ideas and feedback in these key areas:
New spells.
New ops.
New attacks.
Kingdom Stance tweaks
And, of course, the usual race balancing number tweaks.
As always please keep your discussions on topic and polite.
New Spell:
Detect Magic: Costs 1% mana and gives the list of all the overland enchantments on a province.
Op tweak:
Sabotage Wizards & Expose Thieves: Give the actual amount the stealth/mana was reduced by in the op's result page.
Attack tweak:
Merge TM and Conquests together and if a TM doesn't break the target, consider it a conquest instead.
No longer allow any offensive ops (intel is fine) at all to outside kingdoms (or from other kds into war) while your kd is in war. The -75% rule can return in the post war CF.
Add an op or spell that reveals the number of wizards a province has, similar to infiltrate thieves guild.
Make shepherd personality require no food at all (even at 0 food they won't starve, similar to Undead).
Some sort of spell that reveals how much GC is left in the dragon/the dragons HP. Maybe make this spell only available on the opposing kds monarch, or if the kd has no monarch, anyone. Make it a difficult spell costing a huge amount of runes, as this information can be vital.
Allow the Page to edit the monarch message/change kds name/kds banner
This is a little out there, but wanted to see if anyone likes it:
Elf/Avian/any other race which you think needs a boost
* Can change personality once every 2 Utopian years. This can be adjusted if you think once per 2 Utopian years is overpowered.
Makes the race more flexible, and requires the player to put in some strategic thought.
Regarding suggestions posted above, I like the idea of showing how much stealth/mana the enemy lost during ET/SW. I think the Shepherd personality is very powerful as it is, removing the food requirement completely will make it OP, in my opinion.
KD-news : When someone a has an failed attacked show as a broken shield (failed on your KD) or a broken sword (failed attack of one of you kdmembers/you).
I would like to see undead race :)
Definately a way to find out how many wizzies a prov has and what spells are active over the province and for how long. This could either be combined with the infiltrate op, as a seperate op or as a spell, ie arcane examination...
I'm sure there will be more...
a) a random attack of Godzilla on a random island in a random week of the game. all kingdoms on the island need to send troops to dispose of him :) and/or kingkong, aliens and bunny attacks
b) (and prolly more sensible suggestion) make sending wizzies an aid option
edit: only mystics can aid them out perhaps - that way they can't get passed around the kingdom for each op.
b) (and prolly more sensible suggestion) make sending wizzies an aid option or may be make guilds train quicker, in line with thief training....thus making mages actually useful oop...
This thread derailed quickly. It's already full of self serving, "make utopia easy for me" suggestions. Not even gonna bother reading it anymore.
That's gotta be the one of the top 3 worst serious suggestions I've ever seen. Wow. Thanks for that laugh Magn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magn
Like Magn suggestions
Snatch news: change so you easier can see the kd attacking and being attacked, should look like you look in your own paper with icons.
Dragons: would be nice with a change been same for ages and still ruby dragon is used 90% of the time. Maybe make them cheaper and easier to kill
Ruby
Reduces military effectiveness by 8%
Emerald
20% Higher military losses in combat and 15% lower attack gains
Sapphire
30% Failure of magic & thievery ops
Gold
Reduce building efficiency by 20%
Random destruction of buildings
definitely NO to merging TM and conquest.
I think that MS should be nerfed. The gains and duration are too high, the amount of troops lost for the cost of the spell are ridiculous.A good solution would be lowering troop casualties for MS and moving the peasant losses from MS to riots because thievery doesnt have the long lasting and effective ops that sorcery does.
Spell don't consume runes for mystic personality (any races)
That "Detect Magic" is a great idea.. :D
Mystic Vortex can choose what spell(s) that want to be negating (up to 3-4 spells per cast and this can be done if you cast that "Detect Magic" first)
Changes of this age that affected some of the playing style:
- Gnome, which was supposed to be a thievery race has +15% to spell effectiveness.
- DE, which was supposed to be a Mystic race loses 30% spell potency and gained +15% thievery effectiveness. When stack (or somehow in someway multiply up) with invisibility spell, DE is a quite a Thievery race than Mystic race.
New spells:
Some spells that can counter thievery. Shadow Light and Exposed Thieves is not enough to deter thievery. Perhaps tweaking Fireball to affect Thieves as well?
New ops.
There is more than enough ops and the power of thievery is imba currently
New attacks.
I would suggest an attack to kill wizards, an attack to kill thieves.
Kingdom Stance tweaks
It is as good as it can get currently.
And, of course, the usual race balancing number tweaks.
It would be nice to swap Gnome's Mystic bonus and DE' thievery bonus around. Give Gnome Invisibility spell and give DE Chastity spell. This would nicely restore Gnome's Thievery position and DE's Mystic position.
Orc is a weaker attacker race than Human. Orc is supposed to be the most feared pure attacker race. But instead, any Shepherd pers province will just retal any Orc's attack with pleasure. I would suggest giving Orc 10/1 leet strength instead to make up for it's weak Dspecs.
few things.
all intel ops 1 stealth and drop it down to 10 or 15% sent for intel... getting intel is still a little over the top..
dragons need a little revamping maybe add differnt % bonuses to each different dragon... instead of flat rate income and drafting decreases..
adding a op to see current spells and current wizard counts would be great... u can see thief's why not wizards?
avian needs a little boost maybe just give -30% attack times make them for hyper active players...
humans, orcs, de's, seemed balanced this age none overpowered maybe give elfs a little boost on economy side.. we had a few in the kingdom only thing we seen was really hard to train up with elf's..
maybe a fun thing to bring back we are 5/5 war record and it says Current kingdom is xXxX bla bla used to have where it changed from current to esteemed kingdom and other various sayings based on war wins.. and war... thought that was neat more a vanity thing but none the less people seemed to enjoy it:)
Fill up kingdoms faster. Way too many kingdoms with 15ish provinces. At least fill the kingdoms to 20 and then let the last 5 be through invitations.
Don't like the merge conquest & trad march idea, cuz then intel wouldn't even be needed.
Strengthen Dark Elves. One way would be to change the way Tree of Gold works. Have ToG not be based on their current income but on something else (so much per acre or per population) that way it can be useful even at a high draft.
One more thing i forgot. Regarding the dragons, make them stay for a minimum time (12 hours?) after that time they can be killed like normal. Reason being is that the only good dragon is the Ruby. Thats the only offensive dragon, you can time your dragon and send it with your wave. The rest of the dragons rely on your opponent NOT killing it.
carter i would love for them to give orcs 10/1 are u mad lol orcs are not weak with a kingdom set up and organization... all my kingdom did all age was feed on kingdoms of humans... why orc tacts never lose leets... humans cant retrain in war... we nm everyone ns's then we chain a human to the ground rinse repeat... if u notice orc really isnt weak look at all the top kingdoms this age.. if u play a orc on your own they are weak... you play it in a kingdom with a little organization... pretty powerful..
any give a few more invites.. let us fill our kingdoms please!!! everyone has people leave for real life issues... we cant fill a kingdom if we gain one province every age... we need more than that if you ever want full kingdoms again
Good idea maiablossom. I actually had the same thought, and I feel it could actually be a real serious game element. What if every so often, through some trigger, a giant monster attacks a whole island! Maybe after enough wars have been fought on the island the monster attacks, punishing the little mortals for their bloodlust!
Heres how it works. EVery tick after it appears the monster attacks on kingdom at random, killing 5% of EVERYTHING in the kingdom (except land maybe?) and no attacks can be made in that tick because all troops are running scared. If it attacks a kingdom in war that kingdom drops out of war straight away and the other side wins but gains no honour.
It also works like double the effects of a dragon on the whole island all the time. Mana recharge increases by 7% though due to it's magical aura.
The provinces of the island can try to hit it with everything they have to kill it, but it has a lot of HP. (1 billion? 100 million? It should be a lot) The idea is to foster better relations and cooperation between island mates, not just kingdom mates. Here's a few ideas about dealing with the monster and putting it in the game. Just a few ideas, let me know what you think, but I feel this could be really exciting!
1) Maybe it can be killed just like a dragon, with troops. But again, it will need a lot of HP.
2) You should be able to cast spells on it, or do thief ops, doing damage like the number of peasants fireballed, or troops NSed.
3)You can add a new science field that opens when the monster begins to attack, research here learns its weak point and adds a up to 37% to the damage done by attacks on it.
4) Attacks done within 5 minutes of another do extra 18% damage to reflect a concentrated effort.
5) You can also as a united island effort summon these onto another island, similar to sending a dragon, which makes for interesting tactics for scoring free war wins! Alternatively you can summon a monster onto your own island for annoying people in your kingdom you don't like, or possibly to fight a monster already on your island! While fighting a monster on your island, their battle will quickly kill them both off, but cause double the damage!
6) Maybe a new race could be added to fit in with the new monster mythos. A race which doesn't suffer the negative penalties from the monster, as they are born from it or something. Going with the Godzilla idea, they could be something like Lizardmen.
7) If it becomes clear you can't kill the monster with the help of your island, you can begin to build boats to leave your island and move to another one. It's a last resort so they should be expensive and only carry a few hundred or so people each.
New Thief Op: Snatch Kingdom Intel - This thief op gives you oppurtunity to see how much land your enemy have in their explore pool. This thief is Gnome only.
New Mage OP: Destroy Uncharted land - Destroys 1% of unexplored land, as difficult spell as Land Lust and can only be casted by mystics.
New attack: Capture Uncharted acers. 1 attack in same nw capture some %:age of explore pool acres (maximum 100 acres/attack) and goes into your explore pool. Depending on kd size differense you get less or more land.
As already been said, an op to see how many wizzards someone has, very nice info to know. And maybe make it so all gnome intel only costs 1 stealth.
Why do you jump the gun and go straight down to personal attacks?Quote:
Originally Posted by Luc
The suggestion was intended to serve someone, but it wasn't me.
Having to decide whether to send a TM or a conquest doesn't add much depth to the game as its obvious in each case.
If you can calculate your hit properly, you TM if you can break and conquest if you can't. Then, you are left with the fascinating task of choosing the proper obvious option on the menu (this is the kind of depth this game could really use).
However, the suggested change it might help out people who have a hard time calculating their attacks a bit (which as you might know is not me) by reducing the penalty somewhat for not breaking (there is still a penalty, just not a total failure).
Removing complexity (ie, making things simpler) is not necessarily a bad thing if the complexity was not that interesting to start with.
maybe instead of merging TM and conquest like Magn said (because as annoying as bouncing is, its still part of the game), make conquest a bit stronger so ppl actually use it in war to bring a bigger prov down. does anybody ever use that attack? at least I havent seen it being used, instead ppl go attack another target they can break, or even leave the army home before doing a conquest hit.
I could live with this suggestion if not being able to properly break the defenses automatically reduced potential gains by 50% and maybe disable any gains modifiers (Orc, Sci) if you fail to break. That way you still get something even when you bounce but actually breaking somebody would be much more rewarding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magn
I agree that Utopia has a very steep learning curve and that this suggestion might make things a little easier for new players. Top players will still prefer to properly break their targets.
Create a sandbox environment for people to practice with. It could be a flash based app that doesn't connect to the main server but which would allow new players to try out some things like building, attacking, etc. A virtual tutor could guide them to calculating attacks for example. Options would include fast-forwarding the game and players learning to gather intell, attack, ambush, perform ops, etc.
Iron Duke, an unusual idea which is interesting (call it the Kraken or something). But seriously wtf is with the if your at war, and it attacks then there's an instant forfeit. Most of us utopians want to war instead of exploring an entire age, if this monster just comes and cancels wars it'll just be taking away one of the most fun aspects of utopia.
And bugger relationships with other KD's, just send them mail asking for an alliance sort of thing or whatever. You could also keep improving your KD communication.
As for changes I'd like to see:
A couple tweaks to dragons would be nice. I'd like to see some different varieties of dragons in use other than ruby dragon.
Reduce the population bonus of shephards, they've already got enough abilities and make them immune to vermin.
All intel should cost 1 stealth instead of just SoT, don't put CB back, SoT is fine
Elves should be able to cast self-spells on KD members.
Avians (perhaps make these guys weak attackers but can tank hits and ops)
Avians
Def Spec - 5
Off Spec - 5
Elites - 6/5
-20% Attack Time
-15% Damage from ops
Immunity to ambush
No Stables
Thanks IronDuke, I'm pleased to see that other have had the similar ideas.
Though i think it SHOULD destroy some land. Beasts make earthquakes when they attack, which would sink the cliffs into the sea. Or maybe that depends on which monster has attacked? Godzilla for example could sink land, but not be able to find the wizzards towers/guilds, while an alien invasion could find the wizzards, but have no interest in land.
The +7% mana recharge is good, though maybe it should be extended - after the beast is killed the bones are shared amongst the wizzards making them more powerful for the next 2 years by making each wizzard worth 1.5 wizzards??? Or if it is an alien invasion it could be the tech that helps the theives guild similarly?
Though i don't like the doubling of any dragon already on a kingdom. I think any exsisting dragons should have 50% death rate, and the other 50% turn around and attack what ever kingdom sent them as they were not paid a danger bonus.
The attack bonus for co-ordinated attacks is a good idea, but perhapps it shoudl be extended so that +10% for attacks made within 5min form the same kingdom, and +22% for co-ordinated attacks with other kingdoms from other islands - that will foster an interkingdom co-operation nicely.
Perhapps there could be 3 kinds of island beasts/invaders, that work on a rock, paper, scissors rotation. So Godzilla beats the aliens, and the aliens beat King Kong, and King Kong beats Godzilla.
In response to Blip,
MS is long lasting and high return because it's hard to cast, often over 50% fizzles.
If you do nerf MS I'd suggest also easier to cast, or it's going to become like Arson and Greater arson, not worth the time to use it.
Also Arson and Greater arson need a boost, neither are worth the stealth used to do them.
I also would like to have the old, non NW based Raze attack back.
Or they could just bring back the Genesis server idea, a separate, sped up version of Utopia running on either another server or a separate database on the present server. (assuming that wouldn't slow down the Main Utopia game anyways)Quote:
Originally Posted by Landro
Or as you suggested.
Another thought, which would probably be more work for them to do, would be to borrow the "Tutorial" style of play like many video games have to get you used to the basics before playing the actual game. Suggestions offered along the way and all. It should also be an option so returning players who know the game can skip it or go thru it as a refresher.
The exploration system should be looked at. Back when Mehul still cared about the game, he was constantly monkeying around with exploration system. Unfortunately the final incarnation was the current one we still have, dirt cheap exploration costs capped only by the kingdom exploration pool. The result of this is the game has become less about kingdomwide team effort to succeed, and more about who can feed up their bank and/or killers the best. Your kingdoms success is more or less based solely on the effort of a few individuals and the sacrifice of others giving away tons of aid straight oop. Even still, individual skill in managing these banks and killer provinces can easily be overcome by alliance actions.
I could talk about this for paragraphs and go into the reasoning behind this suggestion, but first of all I don't have much hope that the game will be fixed, and secondly, anyone who has played the game knows that exploration costs are too low. I haven't even played in ages yet I can just look at the top 100 rankings and tell. It looks like there is 10 banks (maybe a few might be successful bank killers?) taking the top 10 places and the rest of the top 100 is of really no importance in the big scheme of things. The top ranked player is nearly 10 times the size of the provinces at the bottom of the top 100. Look back in time to earlier ages, nothing like this ever happened without some type of glitch or exploit.
Simply raise the cost of exploration, AND raise the cost of exploration based on how many acres that player has already explored. So a 10k acre attacker who never explored could explore for much less cost than someone who explored all the way to 10k for instance. Personally I would like to see the costs drastically increased, but realistically it'd probably make sense for you guys to marginally increase the costs and just see how it goes before taking it further. Keep low acreage exploration costs reasonably cheap however so that new players and casuals can still inject new land into the game. Before the kingdom exploration cap was put into the game, people would explore to 3000 or 4000 acres and convert to attacker because beyond that exploration costs were just too steep. It would be nice to have a return to those days when hundreds of people were trying for #1, not just one selected person (the banker) per kingdom.
ohhh boy, this is gonna be a ***** for me. lol
Change back Fool's Gold. With the way it is now, a TM has nothing to retaliate with when gold is stolen. If they are going to be able to steal it, we should be able to turn it to lead.
Mage mana should replenish faster by at LEAST +1.
MS is a great spell and should be left along.
I would like to see Undead eventually make a comeback.
Play (hybrid)attacker if you want to be able to retaliate or spend cash before you build up so much that people get tempted to steal it. Both would require a minimum level of activity though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xanadude
The repeated cry to bring back Undead might actually have some effect if people start telling why they want Undead back.
Lol stop with the monster idea it's ridiculous and it's just not how this game is played. Good luck killing that monster when your island has nothing but gethos and your kd has to kill it by yourself. Losing a war straight away during war rofl ???? can this suggestion be any more ridiculous ????
I love the Detect spell idea and wizards spells its really what the game is missing.
One good idea about the dragons was to have a way to see how much hitpoints it has. I would not suggest a spell or op for this but rather just have hitpoint display in the dragons section. Here is another twist that i would not mind see done to dragons which would work in addition with the display idea and only with that idea being implemented. That twist being after paying for your initial dragon with initial hitpoints the kd can pay to revive its hit-points as time elapses and the other kd attacks it. So instead of funding dragons over and over you can just keep that dragon alive. Just cap the revival option to cap at its intial stenght so you dont get super unkillable dragons.
Also make all intel ops take 1% stealth not just sot's. It way to expensive on stealth to look for learns and stuff also making getting full intel rather unworth getting considering the amount of stealth you gotta burn to get it. Meaning all 4 reports and infils.
Orc's offense is fine give it back a normal spec really its phatetic how weak the orc is only thing keeping it alive is the gains and leet credits.
Dont nerf anything rather increase boost bonuses on other weaker races.
About the explore cost idea being implanted. That is crap it is already very expensive to explore when your very big do not tweak anything. If anything make it cheaper to make warring kds rather then the explore whores on top have an incentive to get bigger and give the so called top a run for its position and giving them more warring option as well.
I would like the sage to get more free books this age was horrile. Hardly any free books the only bonus was the Effiecinecy boost and the cost of books i basically paid for 99% of my science ??????????????????? perhaps a 1 book per 2 acres ?
Gnome needs a military boost its just not competitive with other races. Anyone who argues different doesnt understand that the gnome that are doing well are doing so because they have been ignored by that kds opposition as they are basically an Intel slave for the most part :)
Also remove honor decay in postwar CF it basically makes the 3% withdrawal bonus that you get for a war win get taken away its not liked and just why punish a kd for winning a war ???? make the postwar cf option optional altogether and so that you can come out of it at anytime.
Make the overpopulation limit before you can use thieves and armies 120% instead of 115%.
In addition, somehow give warring a new tweak and make it even more beneficial :) perhaps more acre out of the explore pools per hit during war and bigger explore pools gains ??? Perhaps have the explore pool get more per tick added to it during war.
Find a way to prevent Fake Wars perhaps when kds go inactive vs each other inside a war and no successful attacks are made take them out of it automatically and penalize both kds severely. perhaps lose 15% of everything. There is currently to much Fake wars going on to avoid an opponent or to stock up resources with the war protection from outsiders. TO make this unredundant the amount of succesfull attacks should be considerable to make fake wars unworthy to go into.
dusk there is nothing wrong with orcs... if you give orcs normal d-specs they will dominate the server... they are perfectly fine the way they are... if you dont think so you didnt or dont know how to play one..
giving elf the cast spells on kingdom mates would be awesome to have back. of course no dice or anything could be allowed. would be a nice bonus and level out give kingdoms incentive to run a few elfs.
i agree with dusk on gnomers they need a bit of military boost the are nothing but intel whores.. they are very easy to feed on as a attacker because they just dont match up at all.
dragons maybe something like this...
ruby -8% ME
Emerald- 15% Higher military losses in combat and 15% lower attack gains
Sapphire- 20% Failure of magic & thievery ops 1% extra stealth mana used per op
Gold- Reduce building efficiency by 20% and science efficiency by 20%
something along those lines... as it is now no one really uses anything else besides ruby... with this u can pick a drake based on your opponents kingdom setup... or anyother kind of suggestions to go with this to make them worth using instead of only ruby
bring back undeads,make war meter like it was long time ago...
races:
Gnomes
Benefits
* no random factory in attacks. 1 point over targets defense breaks. (take away +15% magic junk)
* +40% Thievery Effectiveness on "Espionage-Type" Thief Ops
* 100% Accurate "Espionage-Type" Intel
* -50% Cost of Training Thieves
* Offensive Specialist Strength +1
Limitations
* No Access to Hospitals
Specific Spellbook
* Chastity
* Vermin
* Town Watch
Units
* Offensive Specialist – Quickblades
* Defensive Specialist – Pikeman
* Elite Unit – Golem (5/5, $300, 4.0 nw)
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Avians
Benefits
* -30% attack times (up from 20% avian isnt bad just needs a bit more incentive to play)
* Immunity to Ambush
Limitations
* No Access to Stables
Specific Spellbook
* Clear Sight
* Town Watch
Units
* Offensive Specialist – Griffin
* Defensive Specialist – Harpie
* Elite Unit - Drake (8/3, $800, 6.5 nw)
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dwarfs need a little boost make it where they can use accelerated construction for free. or with building credits (1 building credit 1 accelerated building)
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elfs- cast self spells on others (no paradise)
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i think orcs, humans, halflings, de's are fine... boost up those races not played as much make kingdoms be able to go for different strategies....
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The Artisan- needs a boost not really sure what maybe 10% ops fail???
sage- every 4 acres produces 1 science book
undeads,,yea,,i want them back too
no offense losses
some % regular specs turn into elites
elites 9/5
spreads and immune to the plague
tree of gold spell
+1000Quote:
Originally Posted by dusk
thief ops to lure this monster to a specific kd