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My merchant dropped income this hour, from 75,805gc to 57870gc.
It looks like OMAC made a fix which should not be a fix!
I picked Merchant cause of banks being twice as EFFECTIVE.
To me effective means the cap is TWICE as high, now this advantage has been "fixed" by OMAC...
Please reinstate the old Merchant bank bonus as it was before, currently the merchant bonus works like "twice as efficient" which is NOT what OMAC tells their users!!!
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Same prob as mentioned above.
Buildings being twice as effective has never increased the cap on their % portions. The key is that you only have to build 25% instead of 50% to get the max out of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Regular Joe
It just got worse...
Merchant bonus is fully removed!!!
Daily Income 58263
Peasants 11241
Produce 3,043 gold coins per day
21.83% higher income (0.69%)
Alchemy 2,037 +2.7% Income
Race bonus: 20%
Merchant bonus: 30%
Calcing with above figures it is clear Merchant +30% alchemy bonus and TWICE AS EFFECTIVE bank bonus is not applied!
(11241*2.75+3043)*1.027*1.2183*1.2*1.3 should be 66276 gc. (bank effectiveness is even left out of the calc)
OMAC PLEASE FIX AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!
Actually, the merchant bonus isn't working at all. The non-merchants at same size & bank % has exactly the same income as the merchants (minus the +30% income of course).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanoumatoi
Also, your logic is flawed. 25% banks would not be max effect. Same goes for TD. It's actually something like ~16%.
Yay they *screwed* everyone again.
At least pause the game while its fixed
I agree
What is the point of going Merchant if my banks works the same as everyone?!??!
FIX THIS OMAC
Ugh. Seriously? Do you guys even consider changes before you make them? Please hotfix merchant to actually work as a personality before you deal with the exact way it should function.
wow impressive work omac. now my kd runs a perso that has no bonus. fix this ffs. every age the same crap
you guys might as well make sure Rogue/TDs work while you're on it.
nice one crisco. they for sure made rogue not working either. nice fix. one of your best
fix pls
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its still not fixed
and we did not get a 'refund' for the lost gc from that last tick where it went wrong.
fyi, you didnt fix your *screw* up omac. jesus i havent played in 5 ages and your still *screwing* up every single protection? get your *poo* together.
Yes I went from 88k to 67k an hour, which should have been 91k instead.
Hopefully this gets fixed ASAP.
My lord, I suggest OMAC sends his programmers back to elementary school to teach them basic math again. Even my dumb mountain boy arse knows 2+2 = swingers party
Watch the language guys, I know it's screwed up but you still need follow the rules.
Merchant bonus should not double building caps. But it should make banks x2 as effective,
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Problem is that banks are 1x effective not 2x right now!
What you are saying banks work twice as efficient (less required to do the same job) Effective means your end result is better (aka cap is twice as high)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
Please reinstate merchant as it is clearly communicated banks will be twice as effective for merchant
Twice as effective should be like twice the BE which would still be the same cap, which is what it is after the second patch.
the cap is not meant to be broken.
The max income you can get from banks (the % part only) is 31.25%.
If the building page for a merchant lists banks at more than 15.625% (remember survey page doesn't list personality or race mods) then it's probably simply that your hitting the maximum effect for banks.
If your at 100% BE (you almost certainly are right now) then you will cap your banks % bonus at about 15% of your land in banks.
The formula btw is:
Effect = Base Effect * BE * % of building * (100% - % of building)
(don't forget to double that amount for appropriate personalities)
From the Wiki:
Base Effect for banks is 1.25%
Base Effect for Thief Den is 4% and 3% respectivly
Cap for banks is 31.25%
Cap for Thief Den is 100% and 75% respectivly
One can not tell that when new age changes were announced...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
Ok Bishop, so put this in simple terms for me.
If the cap is 50% land for max effect then it does me no good to have 26% banks as merch (since doubling the effect would put them over the 50% barrier)?
Running more than 25% banks as Merchant is not beneficial
Well you get 50gc per bank still, so there is benefit still. How that relates to other buildings I dunno.
You shouldn't need an announcement to know that caps cant be broken - they are hard capped for a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Regular Joe
banks still produce 50 gc per building, building over the income modifier cap still produces a benefit.
Let me explain my understanding of double effectiveness: 1% of banks acts like 2% of banks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
So what a non merchant has at 25% banks, a merchant should have times 2.
You are still defending your banks as being more efficient, i suggest for next age you call the bonus "Banks are twice as efficient".
it was already stated that the bonus to banks doubles the % of land then calculates effectiveness from there. there was nothing to imply that it should breach the hard cap bonus of the building.
1% banks works BETTER than 2% banks. 50% banks for non merchant works how 15% banks work for a merchant.
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by CGG
That was said indeed. But it was wrong. The way the bonuses are/were calculated was one of two options:Quote:
Originally Posted by vlaM
-Banks were simply twice as effective, so 2.5% per % of banks, automatically moving the cap to 62.5%
-Banks were counted at +100% BE, keeping the cap at 31.25% but then at a maximum of indeed around 15% of land as banks. (or more, obviously)
I found out later on that it was calculated as the first option, so of course I built a load of banks. Thanks for changing the rules while I'm playing.....
you based your assumptions on a bug then, not a lot we can do about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulimo
People seem very confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulimo
Double effectiveness means that it's like you had twice as many of them. So instead of having 10%, you get the benefit of 20%, not 25%, and not 2x the benefit of 10%.
Here's the math for all such modifiers:
Base: BaseValuePerPercent * PercentLand * (1-PercentLand)
Double effect: BaseValuePerPercent * 2 * PercentLand * (1-2*PercentLand)
If 10% banks would have counted as 20% banks, it wouldn't have had twice the effect. So it wasn't calculated that way. It might be now, I don't know.
so
[14:29] <CGG> 1.25*.1*(1-.1) = 0.1125
[14:29] <CGG> 1.25*2*.1*(1-.1) = 0.225
so 10% banks gives you 22.5% bonus, which would take...
[14:29] <CGG> 1.25*.24*(1-.24) = 0.228
24% of normal banks.
The cap is based on basevaluepercent*25 or something.
If it was calced the way you want it then it would be
<CGG> 1.25*.2*(1-.2) = 0.2
20% bonus for 10% banks, instead of 22.5%
Well, posting the rules clearly, for one? I never read anyone from staff writing it would still have the same cap....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
Anyway, so how do merchant's banks work now, then? do I get 22.5% income bonus from 10% banks at 100% BE, or 20% income bonus?
It doesn't really make sense to me to change the % of banks in only one part of the equation...1.25*20*(100-20)/100 would make more sense than 1.25*20*(100-10)/100. Also, how then do we calculate the hard cash doubling (25 gc per banks to 50 gc per bank)? You could do it % wise, but that's a long way around for a simple calculationQuote:
Originally Posted by CGG
Have you confirmed that math with in game income?Quote:
Originally Posted by CGG