What's the best race/personality combo to make the most out of a 40% homes "strategy", if you were FORCED to use one at gunpoint.
And of course this hypothetical occurs in a ghetto kingdom.
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What's the best race/personality combo to make the most out of a 40% homes "strategy", if you were FORCED to use one at gunpoint.
And of course this hypothetical occurs in a ghetto kingdom.
hypothetically i would defect from said ghetto.
+1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
go to recruitment section and find a decent kingdom without ridiculous requirements.
LoTR has cave-trolls. We have home-trolls.
I've continued to state homes aren't *that* bad compared to TGs - so 40% clearly overdoes it, but is salvageable, especially in a getto proper where they can't even chain the easy targets. Simplest way to use it? Everything else in BE buildings, and as much in DBE buildings as possible.
Best race for it is probably orc/undead, since they need less econ. (Faery, but that's either T/M, or weird on top of weird) Personality probably a heavy attacker choice. (Not cleric with UD, cause hospitals are easy with good BE) A 2.5 or 3x orc via tact is kinda terrifying.
Other option is human (halfer synergizes poorly) rogue A/T with max dens. But you'll have a scrunched space problem meaning attack power will be a bit light due to lack of enough TGs
I used 40% homes with many races and personalities, if tm i recommend fairy rogue, or halfling rogue, avian cleric, dwarf cleric or sage . undead warrior . In the ghetto you will usually have better economy than the enemy opa dpa tpa and wpa properly using 40% homes.
Id say that you should use dwarf if you are new, since the buildings are for free.
Many people will tell you high homes are bad, because they are closed minded, me and manyo ther have tried them and found them pretty good in the ghetto.
Haters gonna hate, you know this people that have been playing the game for too many years are stucked in a single way of playing the game unable of seeing new solutions to problems, fuk old players, play the game your own way.
+2. And don't listen to these clowns trying to justify using 40% Homes, there is no justification for it. Ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
if you got to run 40% homes I'd pick a race/pers that can boost that extra pop to the max. Or I picked a race/pers that could use the extra pop to compensate for their own crappy poplimits.
I'd pick halfer sage myself :)
Thanks for the replies, thank god I'm not being forced to use 40% homes. One guy in my kd did actually suggest it to me though, so way to go gojete for somehow changing the thought patterns of players through the server with your crazy posts.
I could somehow justify 28% homes as a dwarf, exploring hard enough to make full use of +100% birthrate. When the pool is empty you can still raze them and build someting more useful for free. ^.^
Otherwise I guess you'll need at least improved invisibility spell and immunity to fireballs to go any higher.
Hey Bishop, can you check if Gojete is actually running high homes this time or if he's in "pump mode" again? :)
@landro
He has changed his name and it looks like a sensible build.
Buildings Report of 'xxx' (x:x)
Server: World of Legends (Age 51)
Building Efficiency: 111.9%
Kingdom Stance: Normal
1. Homes: (9%)
2. Farms: (9.7%)
3. Banks: (12%)
4. Training Grounds: (16.4%)
5. Military Barracks: (11.9%)
6. Hospitals: (10.2%)
7. Guilds: (8.2%)
8. Towers: (11.4%)
9. Stables: 50 (8.3%)
10. Dungeons: 13 (2.2%)
Total Land: <1k Acres (100% built)
I'd tell my monarch Gojete that he's a moron, and move on to another kingdom....Quote:
Originally Posted by balbanes
he was the monarch for a while and growing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pazuzu
Now he isn't and smaller than the last time I saw him.
he got beat by orday, defected, got more beat, started a new province lol
he is in the same kingdom with the same race/pers i think the name change is a swipe at me though. I wish I was playing attacker :(
i would never use towers and ordray couldnt enen kill me i ended up with more acres after his attacks and of the other haters than i had from start, i won that war against the haters clearly
and i never force anything other than 10% wt or 15% barracks,
evryone can play the build they want so long they reach a minimum of
for attackers
45 dpa army out
80 opa 2 raw tpa
thats about it
for tm min 4 raw tpa and 6 mod wpa. mod 16 tpa for thieves or higher,
whatever build they use to get there is ok.
i dont force builds but results in numbers , im a kick ass monarch 15 war wins, never lost a war guarantees and have only played 3 ages, i started winning wars from start , first time i ever played utopia i got the monarchy right away and delivered accordingly. Im just too l33t
But your not the monarch now. Why is that anyway?
I dont have time to play at all, its very sad, i had to delete my province and quit, and it was going great we already had 15 provinces that were all active, 20 total provinces. IT looked like it was going to be 4 war wins this age, with a completely new kd , but utopia was too time consuming at the moment, ill probably start next age though under winter months you know .
I wish they integrated all external tools into the game, that when you get a trone page and a som, the game automatically added up and told u how many soldiers to send and generals and stuff, It would save a lot of time. It really is too time consuming to have to use angel and pimp and i use dragon portal too and the firefox upgrade its awesome but its just too much .
I think the priority should be to minimize the time one has to spend in menial tasks and all that, is just too tedious . If it was super easy to do one could spend more time doing other things .
You might say, all you have to do is copy and paste and format it and stuff, but really i shouldnt even need to copy and paste anything, just take the intel and that it was stored and told me exactly what to send and how many times i can tap and whatever and what not, and everytime i cast a time spell on someone, that it is stored in the kingdom and that one has a page where one sees what has been casted on the enemy, just like having pimp in game . without the need of copying and pasting anything . And that the intel that the whole kd gets, throne pages soms all is stored .
I really hate it in pimp that one has to click one by one on the provinces in a kingdom, to see their throne page, why doesnt it have an option to display all of the provinces intel with one click.
After 10 years it really is a shame that this things havent been changed already.
The game is just extremely non efficient , too much time is consumed in things that are not meaningful .
It would be all so easier.
I mean having to get all the tm to post their ops , meteorshowers , pitfalls, greed , all that, posting every damn thing on pimp to coordinate , its just a freaking nightmare.
The game will be good when one doesnt need to use any external application to play it .
All this things should be included in the game . I wonder how much the game costs, how much do they sell it for, i tell you, if i ever get a million euro or two im buying this crap and fix it . If theres something that pisses me off in the world is inefficiency .
Ima have to write a few letters to bill gates , why dont we all send a letter to bill gates so that he donates the money to fix utopia and makes us all happy.
This guys that own it right now, by the interview they made to them, have no intention whatsoever into making things run smoothly .
I just wish one didnt need to use all this time consuming applications and programs and sites to compete . being a monarch is a pain in the ass . Thats why its nice to play in the ghetto because one can get away without using pimp and stuff .
I think they should pay everyone who make external aplications money for their program and integrate it into the game . Or consider royalties, give them shares of utopia , give them stocks , let them work in utopia for free if needed, and once all is integrated and done, share the money with them .
I agree, i should only have to log in,and the game do everything i want it to do without clicking a single button,Altho why should i have to log in either? It should know i wanted to and do it without me .hmmmmm interesting concept.
The guy who makes 600 forum posts in 7 months, with an average word count of 4 quadrillion, doesn't have enough time to actually play the game.
Is that irony or something beyond ?
Man you two are completely lost , i really cant try to help you understand anything I wrote there, maybe a few others do get it , but anyway for what its worth
I found another way to say it that might make it easier for you to understand,
if 115,000 times .75 = 86250 , then 115,000 - 86250 = 28,750
and then 28,750 `+ 115,000 = 143,750
Or
115,000 times 1.25 = 143,750
I rather use the second alternative and have more free time to spend doing other things than tedious chores .
Maybe copying and pasting and having to click on several web pages and programs is fun for you.
I myself have always enjoyed fully built games .
I could relate it to downloading a picture just to find out that you dont have the right codec, and you spend 1 hour looking for the fuking codec, and then you download a new picture, and need to search for the codec again , and then when youre downloading a new movie theres not enough seeds , but you have to see the movie , and then the file is corrupted.
Using all this out of game programs that have been around for so long means that the game is incomplete , its tedious and inefficient , a lot of time is wasted clicking and loading and copying and pasting .
I had a lot of time before but not anymore and wont have any more for a few months from now on .
In the last age i actually didnt monarch for 2 wars and it was around a 3 or 4 weeks period where the only thing i did was log in, look for targets, plunder, pay dragons send aid log out . Most of the free time i used was to write crap here in the forums instead of having to do all the frustrating work of planning the war, giving out targets, having to click on pimp a million times, and getting intel and all that.
Put all the damn thing in the game already, I know it will never be done , but again if i ever get 2 million euros, ill just buy the damn game and fix it properly .
There will be a tab caller whatever, where you click it and you see effects of the spells casted on the enemy and in your kd provinces as well, so people know who to vortex and pitfall and all that just by looking at it .
Pimp is fine. It gives you a summary then you click on the relevant province and it gives you the throne page. Better than scrolling through a full 25 provinces worth of SoT, SoM and survey.
If you utopia is such a tedious chore just leave. Utopia should be fun. Besides adding more stuff will make utopia more complex the coding will probably result in 10 min ticks instead of the 30-60 sec.
No one is forcing you to use external apps, if your gonna whinge about them don't use them.
If you wanna be on for minimal time log in log out.
Stop wasting hours writing up ur ranting posts and do your blind attack and leave.
Figure it on paper with a pencil the way we used to before Angel,pimp,utools or most of the other external functions out there.The game has no internal calculators because it was not meant to.All of them were added by other people because people got to lazy to do it manually.Now people are getting to lazy to even click a button to use them.Why play.
"Most of the free time i used was to write crap here in the forums instead of having to do all the frustrating work of planning the war, giving out targets, having to click on pimp a million times, and getting intel and all that."
lawl
Loving this so much. best quote ever, I even read fully two of his posts so I could properly quote it.Quote:
Originally Posted by gojete
I have to say this beats vines' 1/92 = 0.92 and Palem's pixie comment.
Oh noez =\
so wait. we are going to be gojete less for a lil bit? >_<
Why would we be?
It never fails, reading in this forum will start your day off right
It's the most important forum of the day
40% homes is a little too much, I would go orc sage with 20% homes.
ROflmao.Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyB
Why play?
Using all those programs is downright tedious and takes too much time, i did like the mathematical part of utopia at start 2 ages ago , and re-learned a lot of things long forgotten .
Im not complaining about the programs one has to use, i think they are great, the only thing i dont like is that in pimp, i have to click on each single enemy province to see its throne military survey etc, instead of being able to do just one click and have all provinces opened at once.
Yeah honestly , i did enjoy more getting flammed in this forums than playing the game some times, i cant do blind attacks when i have to 4ple tap at least 3 times a day, all my offense had to be perfectly calculated, sure it would be hard to integrate everything into the game , it would cost a lot of money, thats why i thought that the people who developed the external programs , should get royalties or shares in utopia to contribute.
What is the game for you, doing math?
You ask me why play, I like war games, the planning and plotting , organizing the kingdom , the people that play the game, all of you who i have never played with but its nice to know you all in the forums and all that .
So if i could reduce the time wasted on clicking and all that, I could focus more on other things.
I like that word internal calculators ,thanks for that .
Yes its not about being lazy man, its about using the time more efficiently . I rather have people posting in the kd forums and interacting than making them suffer with the tedious chores of copying and pastsing and all that .
I strongly believe that internal page that shows in war which of the enemy provinces have meteros and pitfalls and all that would help a lot to war properly.
This are the kind of things that make people stay in the ghetto, most dont have the aweful lot of time to be doing all the work needed in order to war properly.
Do you want people to be good at war because they have a lot of free time, and those who dont, to remain in the ghetto forever?
Am I really the only person who thinks is so damn tiresome to have to use all the external programs in order to war properly ?
A lot of people in different kingdoms ive been at just cant stand it to have to copy and paste every pitfall they make in pimp, every ms , every greed, every damn spell copy paste copy paste copy paste .
Wouldnt it be nice to see the game evolve ?
Is gojete being thoughtful and sincere?
It takes very little time to copy/paste ops into pimp.
If you don't have 5 minutes to play, don't play.
uhhhhhh... leave?Quote:
Originally Posted by balbanes
I find it ridiculous to post my first post here in this particular thread...
Well, anyway... Consider you're an attacker. I'm wondering, isn't it better to enter War with say... 25% Homes rather than some other offense modifier. With the plan of keeping TW on at all times when you are not deeply underpoped. (to be clear, I'm not talking about a strat with homes and overdrafting ... just homes for a war strat with "normal" drafting)
Maybe the birthrate would even make 35% Homes worth it... (considering how fast percentages change with land flow in war)
@gojete you do realize that Pimp has a custom column that you can use to display whatever portion of their Intel that you want for the entire KD. I.e. you can display runes and it will tell you how many runes each province has, and you can use such Intel (you can analyze the entire kd's offense, defense, tpa, and wpa simultaneously) to plan targets and such quite easily.
@OP - I'd take the bullet (or defect) rather than run that many homes. I'm not one of those who opposes homes totally, but anything above 20% is way too high imo. Halfer really doesn't really benefit that much from homes anyway. Their racial bonus doesn't apply to homes, but I'd say that sage is the best personality for high homes because they can boost that pop much higher with their science bonus.
I'm all for intergrated intel. A game that shall not be named has adopted that system and its so much better. Its not just ghetto players that find pasting every last op into pimp incredibly tedious.Quote:
Originally Posted by gojete
Dont see the calc issue though. The game isnt designed to be played with a specially designed calculator. The idea is that your work that stuff out yourself. Most people are lazy and used calculators. If you think Angel is time consuming, clearly you've never had to calc a hit the proper way. Via pen and paper.
Also, alot of your ideas seem to be based of a logic that "I should be able to log in once in a blue moon and still win". Which is bad. The more active, dedicated players will always win, because its a game. That how it should work. The more time you put into something, the better you get. The better you get, the more likely you are to win.
Most people dont spend time on utopia because they have no life. Infact, they make real life sacrifices so that they can do thier best in game. For alot of utopia players, it is there main past-time.
Oh and incidently, yes. THis game IS math. Its always been math. All utopia basically is, is a bunch of numbers that you add/subtract/multiply etc. That by definition is mathematics.