I would have thought to send 20%+1 for these ops but uTools says to use 10 thieves.
Do these ops not suffer from the randomness of SoT and SoM if you send few thieves?
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I would have thought to send 20%+1 for these ops but uTools says to use 10 thieves.
Do these ops not suffer from the randomness of SoT and SoM if you send few thieves?
yes, they do! a 20% tpa SoM is all the data you need to hit someone
Bishop thanks for replying quickly but your answer isn't clear to me.
I know 20% SoM is all I need to hit someone but my question is about Survey, SoS and Infiltrate Thieves Guilds.
If I send 10 thieves to do those ops will the results be accurate or do you need to send 20%+1?
hmmm, infil i believe you need 20% - but some parts of survey and sos are accurate. Shouldnt be hard to test though.
What parts of the SOS and Survey are accurate? Just fields that have 1's and 0's, or are there more? (0*.75 and 0*1.25=0, and .75 and 1.25 rounded = 1)
If you send 10 thieves you will get like 25% inaccuracy or so Bishop told me before. I don't think it matters whether someone has 1k bpa or 1.25k bpa, either way I know they're a good learn target. Same with infiltrate. For data you need to be precise on (how much defense they have) send 20% +1.
in sos i think the books are accurate, but the % isn;t- not 100% on that though
Ah, good to know :)
either way they cost too much stealth and are way too hard.
I personally think survey anf infiltrates are great info to have during ar. Let halfers get updated CBs since the intel will be 100% right, let your heavy attacker's who usually have terrible tpa to begin with spend 5 times failing to get one survey or infiltrate, you really dont lose anything. It is not like they would be trying to NS with that stealth if they cant easily get intel on the other kd, and you let the people with high tpa actually do something with their stealth.
Last age as an avian warrior, i was easily able to fill up pimp when getting hostile data on anyone and not feel like I was wasting my stealth.
As far as I have ascertained, books #s are correct on SoS, buildings #s are correct on Surveys with 10 thieves. Good intel for attackers to grab :) Infil defo needs 20%+1 thieves
Aren't we all just using a bug by sending 10 thieves for SoS though ?
I know why the accurate number of troops in a SoM wasn't changed but at least you need to do some work and combine with SoT to use it.
Getting accurate SoS and Survey for free seems kind of cheap.
Confirmed SoS books. The only thing that changes on Surveys is the Effects numbers. #buildings, %buildings, BE, Jobs, etc. all are accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palar
I just put this together for my kingdom yesterday and would love to share.
Theives
For accurate intel gathering you need to send:
Infiltrate Thieves Guild 20% +1 of your thieves, this gives you 3% accuraccy of their intel.
Snatch News 10 thieves
Spy on Military 10 thieves, only thing that is accurate is Troops out and amount of time Troops are out. Everything is accurate with a Halfer SOM
Spy on Sciences 10 thieves
Spy on Throne 20% +1 thief
Survey 10 thieves
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Oddities with intel we have found
If you are in war and are getting intel OOW or even intra kigdom, there is a 75% penalty involed, so unless 80% of thieves are sent, intel can be up to 75% off.
SOMs sometimes show negative return times. This means their army is home.
You left out Survey and Snatch News is there twice. Also, if in fortified, then that penalty applies also.
cool thanks will fix it.
How is the penalty applied in Fort?
Same as with war. So, .20/.85 = ~.235
so you are saying if I send 20% thieves I only get 85% accurate intel?
Just reread the guide, so if YOU are in fort you get -15% thievery effectiveness, it also says -50% Attack gains hitting out. That is worded a little different than the war description, which reads -75% Gains and Effectiveness for operations to and from other Kingdoms (this fades in from war start).
Have you tested this?
Dwarves don't have to send more than 20% + 1 though... And they have -20% thievery effectiveness
effectiveness doesnt affect accuracy. The -75% gains does, as that is how gains is calced - less thieves get through.