Let's compile this list so they can war each other and decide which of them deserves the title of best warring kd. I've heard too many of them claiming to be the best but have never seen them picking on equally good kd's.
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Let's compile this list so they can war each other and decide which of them deserves the title of best warring kd. I've heard too many of them claiming to be the best but have never seen them picking on equally good kd's.
I cant log in to see if they are on the top 10 right now but Elitist jerks is a decent waring kd that tends to not be in top 10.
The best at the moment or consistency takes part as well?
Silly cats!
good is hard to define most i call good someone else will bash down, i think dopies does very well, freakstyle until last age (donno where they are this or if they disband), bunnehs was good donno now days, fluffym bodega, sanitarum. and being part of top10 i find sanc, bio, dw, inso able to war good.
Rank Name War-Wins
1 HUNG3R 7.23
2 Divinity 6.68
3 Elitist Jerks HAPPY EOA UTOPIA 6.18
4 Dreamworks CSB Get well Kenji 6.17
5 weHurt at WAR 6.03
therefore going by that chart top 5 it has to be HUNG3R
w00ps double post!
EJ's avg opponent size was above 100% last age and the same this age.
I do agree you cannot compare warring kingdoms of today against warring kingdoms of yesterday because well there are far fewer decent warring teams in the game but there is also less x loggers in today's game.
The funny thing is, all these good warring kd's below the top 10 DO war each other on a regular basis. A few things happen:
-These kd's don't tag until late in the age
-They may have warred with each other and not even know about it
-Some kd's go incognito, fluffy and fs are both here this age...just not tagged yet
Just because you don't see the kd's tag, or have a news article, doesn't mean they don't fight. There are many good warring kd's in the top 50-100. Balance CanWe Melee Weapons etc etc, you will know who they are when you fight them.
if you go by today's standards then sure.
we warred blunt weapons and well i can easily say they are not that good.
there are alot of average warring kingdoms out there but that is also down to the lack of decent warring enemies - you are only as strong as the enemies you have faced.
@tak3shi, if we are just willing to take the rankings might as well add in this age's current top 5.
Also might as well add goodz kd Hoff
I'd point out celian said Dopefiends & bunnies, Note though from the last few ages utopia news
Jerks> Dopefiends
Freeakstyle>Dopefiends
CanWe>Bunnies
Bunnies>silly cats
For a kd that was considered a ghetto 2 ages ago, I'd say they have improved quite nicely. I find this argument of 'today's standards' to be quite insulting. It's like comparing basketball stars to stars from different eras, it doesn't work. The game has changed, the mechanics have changed, the population has changed, and most importantly - the rules have changed. What defines a good warring kd has changed. You can sit here all day and debate over "what if's", but that's rather pointless so I think I'll just stick to answering the mans question.
And Melee Weapons isn't a good warring kd cause they lost to Hoff, another good warring kd? Too bad we didn't get to tangle last age when I was still in fluffy.
the point I am trying to make is yes by today's standards there are decent warring teams but for those of us that have been here for years and years there has been a steady decline in real top skilled leaders who know the game inside out.
the game has not changed that much, the game mechanics have not changed that much but yes the population has changed. Its still the same game with more or less the same strats / options.
what defines a good warring kingdom has not changed - if you war and beat targets who were suppose to be better that your team then you are good but if we just do average wars and win all then how is that being good when you warring and winning against enemies of sub standard levels?
who?
to be fair i can mainly judge those i have warred, and even those i won against i can still see that they are good warring kds or got great potential to be maybe i just been lucky and they not. now sleep tight utopia
I suppose the main issue is a kingdom has a good age but then they cannot maintain it the following age and to be fair its also down to the lack of competition. If you only fight ghettos all age then you lose your edge.
for me FS is the current standard setters because they've done it age in age out and constantly have good ages.
there are kingdoms who as celien said "got great potential" but they have to do it for more than a few ages lol.
the same can be said for the top 10 land charts - there is not enough top class competition now - I mean EJ and Vengeance are almost top 10 land kingdoms lol. Kingdoms dont even have to run cows now lol.
so that puts your list of kds as what?Quote:
Originally Posted by fuzzy
Balance
bodega
Bunnies
CanWe
Divinity
Dopefiends
Dreamworks
Elitist Jerks
fluffym
Freeakstyle
Hoff
HUNG3R
Melee Weapons
sanitarum
silly cats
TUWAD
weHurt
Its gonna start getting long since basically every kd that routinely finish mid tier top 15-40 ends up with a lot of war wins due to beating a few ghettos early before fighting each other.
Or is your goal more which of these mid tier kd are say the top 5? That'd be harder to determine.
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well if you want to do that why not just ask some of those kd's what their war record is over the past 4+ ages, i bet there are at least a few kd that have almost no losses in the past few ages. FS would be up there, sure but i bet a few other kds are nearly flawless.
Lack of skilled players to manage provs properly
Lack of activity - not perfect
Lack of leadership - not good
If the only difference between warring kingdoms and t10 was that warring kingdoms chose not to sit and pump, that would be one thing. But when there's a noticeable skill difference between the two tiers, then you can't call a kingdom "good" if they can't hang.
It seems that even those skill levels are eroding and we'll see a closer level of skill between top 10 and top 30. Finding skilled replacements is not that easy, and most players are typically not that good... so you might find T5-30 more even now. Although leadership quality in the TOP kingdoms might be similar to what it was before, there's still huge value in having players that can run their own provs *properly*.
Typically it seems that the kingdom will have one or the other (skills or activity) and that relegates them to the 2nd tier that now goes by the pet name "warring kingdom", which wasn't always the case. It's what has given the "warring by choice" kingdoms a bad rap in the past 5-10 ages.
lol why would I waste time doing that? I could careless who think's they're good at warring. I was merely pointing out that compared to the old days - the standards have dropped. Is EJ good at warring? in todays climate yes but take us back say 15 ages and have us face kingdoms from then, no we are not - we average lol
thats also sort of the point im trying to make - it used to be that only the top 5 = worthy chart goal then it became finishing top 10 now its top 40? EJ will probly finish top 10 land charts without even trying thats how low the competition is now in the charts.
Balance got MENTIONED awesome
The main issue is we are all old.
When I started playing game was populated with bunch of teens and kids, some of those teens and kids are still arround and make for 90% of server population. We are often 30+. with jobs, families and plenty rl shiit goin on, we got no time or energy to spend hours and hours daily online to perform at our best ... its just the way things are. Game is tailored for ppl who can spend lot of time online and its time exhausting to play let alone to lead. Theres plenty leadership figures arround ... they just refuse to lead^^
Same things goes for province management. I have ppl in my KD who just hibernate between wars, they dont random, they dont do learns, they dont rob to pump sci ... they just wait for wars and even than your likely to see them miss hits for getin drunk/workin late/getin frisky with the ladies or whatever. They still got skill they just dont care any more ... this is no longer center of our life ... just a passtime =)
So yeah standards have fallen across the boards, we are *gasp* casuals !
That beein said standars in the nw tier have droped much lower than in warrin/mid tier imo. Even with our casual play and us regulary setin landcaps anf forbiding growth for smaler provs and droping biger ones thru intrarazes/friendly outside hits we often find ourself in 10-20 spots endage ... stuff like that used to be imposible in the old times.
i'm seeing that now the top10 has a lot of action etc
hopefully the small warring kds will rise up to get a piece of it since it's no longer boring diceville! i know our war with EJ was very fun, hopefully more good casual kds will come up. :D
maybe they'll be able to shut up all the people who say they're not "good enough" ;)
i dont think its the standards that have slipped but just that the community has shrunk. U guys might be what top 5 waring kds (with the ability to be the best) back in the day that puts you normally finishing in the top 40( with the ability to be top 5)? doesn't mean your a worse kd it just means that you get recognition now becasue people never remember more than top 5-10 so its easier for an average kd to have a lucky age and finish up there.
To be fair therse probably only what 8-9 kds that even TRY to make it in the top 10 land anymore, breaking top 50 land became a joke when the community switch to thinking that warring was more fun.
Well, that's because for a majority of players warring is more fun. just seeing how big you can grow your province every 12-14 weeks gets old! even in the ghettoes outside the t100 activity is subpar oow compared to when war starts! It gives the players a reason to login and enjoy the game!
BiO & Pulse are 2 kd's I've led and as any one who actually know me would know that I'm all for wars and hate the whoring/dicing game. Funny how I'm doing it this age but it will be the first and last.
After leading against, and warring most 'top warring' kd's. I can say only a few standout as being 'consistently good'.
1. Dopefiends
2. Freakstyle
3. Stronghold (are they even around anymore?)
4. Jerks
I'm sure the above kd's have lost wars before. FS lost to Pulse when I led it, but they also beat BiO 2 ages later. But in terms of being consistent through the ages, they are up there at the top.
Any kingdom tagged WuA is pretty elite I hear
Not enough freeakstyle
Too much everyone else
o yeah freakstyle the best but BALANCE was mentioned muhahahhahahahah
stronghold is disbanded
Ranking kingdoms by average opponent size is pretty misleading. We had a ghetto give us the button by retalling too much. Should we have run away? ofc now. And what if you do heavy massacres during hostile. That's going to drop the other kingdom's netw quite a bit and you'll get ranked lower because of great coordination during hostile.
\o/
The ranking is to base these kd's record against each other because it's then they are properly tested. Especially when they keep themselves small so they are in the range of numerous ghettos. I preferred when the player base was larger and top 50, top 100 kd's were shifted over to BF. That way you can really see how good kd's are.
For now the only measurement is the head to head record this kd's have against each other. I see a lot of them in range of each other now, let's see them fight each other to decide if they are really good warring kd's. Look at the top 7-8 they're tested by constantly warring each other. Now I would prefer if all the warring kd's outside the top 10 step up like how Simians did and started warring in the top 10, I don't think that will happen so for now we just have to count ont the head to head record these kd's have against each other and not by their war wins.
I haven't really seen anyone be very impressive at warring for a long time now, not in the top and not anywhere else either. Judging by summaries and such from the top kd wars, I'd say most top kd's of today aren't very good at warring at all, they're either too lazy or have lost the leaders who actually knew how to war. There are some kd's in the top 50 who do have decent activity and organization, but they instead lack the strategic edge to really be good. Freeakstyle are (were?) good, but not extremely good by any measure, and I dunno how they motivate themselves when they really just rehash the same strategy and setup every age. Other than that, most kd's today are a bit meh. Especially the kd's Bishop play in should just give up already, I mean come on... warring with an irish drunk in the kd?
Stop following me.
Most top kd's have perfect activity, maybe some nub misses hes army by 1 hour. And you think top kd leaders are lazy? try beeing a leader in a avian kd that has 6.5-7 hour attack times. Any top kd would beat those random "warring" kd's anyday.Quote:
I haven't really seen anyone be very impressive at warring for a long time now, not in the top and not anywhere else either. Judging by summaries and such from the top kd wars, I'd say most top kd's of today aren't very good at warring at all, they're either too lazy or have lost the leaders who actually knew how to war. There are some kd's in the top 50 who do have decent activity and organization, but they instead lack the strategic edge to really be good. Freeakstyle are (were?) good, but not extremely good by any measure, and I dunno how they motivate themselves when they really just rehash the same strategy and setup every age. Other than that, most kd's today are a bit meh. Especially the kd's Bishop play in should just give up already, I mean come on... warring with an irish drunk in the kd?
That's being done all age...plenty of mid ranged wars right now
hehe if u believe any of the top 10 kds consistently war with the sole purpose of the war win you havent looked at the top 10 in over the past 4+ ages.
yup, most of those outside the top 10 wont go up either because they cant or like being able in the top 10-50 and finding wars in a short time. I for one would be angry at my kd if they wanted to be top 10, its not fun up there and head to head records over a few ages in the mid range nw still proves who wars well.
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Well they dont all have perfect activity, simians last loss showed that they slacked during the weekends. though the point isnt to debate if the top would win or loose only who is "good" outside the top 10.