Oh my

So log in today to see 2 of the Big Bad KDs attacking our KD...and another 22+ prov KD suddenly razing me and my steward for a completely false reason (claimed we attacked them and continued even after they asked us to stop -- nowhere in the news or message history to support that reason).

Of course this happens like .25hrs after we get a war agreed with someone (fortunately the war hasn't actually started) - and are now 20 attacks down before the day has even started... I mean...I get that there are gains reductions for not only size but GB...but it really doesn't do much. It's sorta silly that a kingdom 3x our size can basically wave us for their own bs reasons that just happen to fall in line with 2 others kingdoms attacking us at the same time. What chance do we have?

I will say...I'm very new...joined recently. Was very excited to get our KD going, changing a ghetto into something formidable (at least in the regular KD world of 20 prov KDs). I like wars, I don't mind getting chained, losing acres, etc...but when it comes down to our provs wanting to quit the game because of stuff like this...it makes it difficult to try any more.

I'm not saying make some new rules or anything...just curious what everyone's thoughts are on the following... I would like honest answers please. The Questions have intended audiences..

1) If you're a 25 prov KD that is 5Mil NW, hit into a 1.5mil NW KD - then rage at the province who retaliated against you and send 1/2 the KD to attack not only that province, but the rest of the KD who had nothing to do with any of this...all in the span of 2 hours...what are you trying to accomplish?

2) If you're a 23 prov KD that is 2.25Mil NW and start razing the monarch and steward of a 1.5Mil NW KD - shouldn't you check to make sure that it REALLY IS the KD that apparently pissed you off? Because I saw no evidence anywhere of the claims made against us... Also - what is the point of it? Razing the monarch/steward...at least do trad marches so you gain something out of it...it just seems completely unsportsmanlike.

3) If you're a 20 prov or less KD that is currently under 2Mil NW -- how do you feel about all of this? About how easy it is for any of the above KDs to just hit you freely whenever they want...and that you can't do anything about it - because you aren't 25 provs. Even if they are a similar NW size as you, 25 active provinces will always beat 20 provs with less activity. They will always beat a KD that is trying to form, trying to learn the game, trying to make things better.

I wanted to support the game, work and contribute towards improving the game...but all of this seems so silly. We will likely lose a province out of this - hopefully no more than that.

Again...this isn't a cry for pity. They are honest questions. What are your motives for doing that? Why do you have CFs with your competitors - shouldn't they be the ones you're targeting? The ones that are your size? What's the motive for the 2nd KD? Cause you certainly won't get a war out of that...lastly what's the motive for the other KDs...the motive to try/play when you are constantly harassed by the 25prov KDs...

I think sometimes things snowball and misunderstandings happen, but a good monarch keeps his head on straight and gets them worked out ;)

smercjd, just a question for you, because I wonder about this all the time: do you enjoy to compete in games? Why do new players in utopia think that they're entitled to be ignored? Do you also tell people in FPS games to not shoot you and uninstall the game if they continue? The amount of attacks you receive are inversely proportional to your relative "scariness." If you don't want to be a target, don't be one. Big kingdoms rarely attack into kingdoms with offense and WPA. Why? Because every mechanic in this game (except for meter cap) is designed to give the smaller kingdom the upper hand. Your gains are much higher than theirs, and they have more to lose.

To answer your question: the motive for hitting for land is because the target hasn't sufficiently guarded it -- and this doesn't mean not enough defense. The motive for razing is removing provinces who are a threat to your kingdom. People don't generally just raze into 20 prov ghettos for no reason. There is surely something that you did to provoke it.

Taking safe acres makes you grow faster than unsafe acres.

Make your acres unsafe.

I'm here for the little guy. First things first smercjd; behold the words from the top(Zauper/Godly) and let your kingdom know. There are few players I've noted who actually get motivated by fighting up. Oh, there are kingdoms that can fool a larger kingdom into thinking they're innocuous, but in reality there are not that many who actually enjoy the challenge.
So let that sink in because it hurts anyone who essentially is a bully. Lots of guys.

Now to points. Kingdoms should build into their strat things that no one can realistically stop. This is why I poke fun at some of the larger war kingdoms. If their activity and tactics are so sound, why do they only build to fight on advantaged ground? I mean, they don't build the type of weapons that allow you to transcend your nw. They build to fight in focal exchanges with like builds.

To me you should have faith in your ability to play. Even ground? Heck, I run slop builds and I'm still standing. But what I do for myself is make sure I have superior striking power when I'm faced with a superior enemy. I like to fight up so much that it bugs me to hit down. You and your kingdom must understand they, the tops, have eyes for acres and crowns. They have tools that are just ridiculous compared to a guy like me who is in love with pimp. Understand their seriousness and play as casually as you like,...but have the weapons.

If you're not sure what that means, I mean archetypes. You want what is a double down on capability in a given field. Like elf sage because you can cast amnesia. Like orc warrior because it reaches the furthest. don't forget the guy last age with fools gold. Don't forget Remote. You don't need a full kingdom, but you'll want at least complimentary persona/race to trade hammers. You lose? Sure. But you cripple your enemy who has grand plans. There's much more to tearing someone heart out that I won't entertain because I know your here for the same reasons I am. Just please do remember that many play a cold game. Simply practice mutual respect. When you get none give none.

For cryin' out loud, I just remembered you have people there who do like to hit ^up^. I'd delete my entry, but I think you have the right faery for the job.

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Originally Posted by Palem

I think sometimes things snowball and misunderstandings happen, but a good monarch keeps his head on straight and gets them worked out ;)

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I'm trying Palem - D: You know this! :p

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Originally Posted by Godly

smercjd, just a question for you, because I wonder about this all the time: do you enjoy to compete in games? Why do new players in utopia think that they're entitled to be ignored? Do you also tell people in FPS games to not shoot you and uninstall the game if they continue? The amount of attacks you receive are inversely proportional to your relative "scariness." If you don't want to be a target, don't be one. Big kingdoms rarely attack into kingdoms with offense and WPA. Why? Because every mechanic in this game (except for meter cap) is designed to give the smaller kingdom the upper hand. Your gains are much higher than theirs, and they have more to lose.

To answer your question: the motive for hitting for land is because the target hasn't sufficiently guarded it -- and this doesn't mean not enough defense. The motive for razing is removing provinces who are a threat to your kingdom. People don't generally just raze into 20 prov ghettos for no reason. There is surely something that you did to provoke it.

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To answer your first question: hmm...I don't NOT enjoy competing. I tend to prefer "playing" though. FPS for example - of course I don't expect people to not shoot me...then again, I don't particularly like FPS games...We have a lot of offense...but the point isn't really retaliating on ONE kd. It's that we got "coincidentally" hit by 3 of the 25 prov KDs (4 now) and 1 23 prov KD. It's like they secretly collaborate to hit the same KD at once. Additionally, if I were a "pro" at an FPS shooter -- I would take out my threat first. I would battle it out early with another big KD and remove them as a threat for the later game. I do that in pretty much ANY RTS game I play. Obviously, all games are different and strategies are also different. So it's really difficult to actually relate it to those types of games.


I have zero idea what could've "provoked" the 23 prov KD...it's so bizarre. They went quiet after I pointed out to them that they must be mistaken...I really think (now) that really - they were severely mistaken and started razing me and my steward for no reason. So weird...

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Originally Posted by Zauper

Taking safe acres makes you grow faster than unsafe acres.

Make your acres unsafe.

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That answer makes me cry :( lol -- we're just "safe" acres. Sigh...you know - it wouldn't be so bad if it were just one KD doing it, then another at another time...but all at once? Maybe as etiquette ya'll should SN first and notice that all your CF buddies are attacking into us and realize that you're really just destroying players. There is a guy who seems pretty determined to quit :(

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Originally Posted by StratOcastle

I'm here for the little guy. First things first smercjd; behold the words from the top(Zauper/Godly) and let your kingdom know. There are few players I've noted who actually get motivated by fighting up. Oh, there are kingdoms that can fool a larger kingdom into thinking they're innocuous, but in reality there are not that many who actually enjoy the challenge.
So let that sink in because it hurts anyone who essentially is a bully. Lots of guys.

Now to points. Kingdoms should build into their strat things that no one can realistically stop. This is why I poke fun at some of the larger war kingdoms. If their activity and tactics are so sound, why do they only build to fight on advantaged ground? I mean, they don't build the type of weapons that allow you to transcend your nw. They build to fight in focal exchanges with like builds.

To me you should have faith in your ability to play. Even ground? Heck, I run slop builds and I'm still standing. But what I do for myself is make sure I have superior striking power when I'm faced with a superior enemy. I like to fight up so much that it bugs me to hit down. You and your kingdom must understand they, the tops, have eyes for acres and crowns. They have tools that are just ridiculous compared to a guy like me who is in love with pimp. Understand their seriousness and play as casually as you like,...but have the weapons.

If you're not sure what that means, I mean archetypes. You want what is a double down on capability in a given field. Like elf sage because you can cast amnesia. Like orc warrior because it reaches the furthest. don't forget the guy last age with fools gold. Don't forget Remote. You don't need a full kingdom, but you'll want at least complimentary persona/race to trade hammers. You lose? Sure. But you cripple your enemy who has grand plans. There's much more to tearing someone heart out that I won't entertain because I know your here for the same reasons I am. Just please do remember that many play a cold game. Simply practice mutual respect. When you get none give none.

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Seriously - I don't even want you to join my KD now...I just want you to be my personal therapist. lol -- Thanks. All of what you said makes perfect sense. Unfortunately I didn't assign jobs (though that idea of a balanced KD such as you've presented with your virtual KD is really awesome) - it's pretty close to my Utopian Motto that I don't make anyone do anything. I have certain minimum standards, but everyone can go where they please from there. Which leads me to the understanding that if I don't have those weapons because of this doctrine - then so be it. Just suck it up and win elsewhere...

As for respect -- they all respond respectfully to any messages I send. But they don't wait for these messages to act. By the time I've logged on, there'd already been what felt like 5 million attacks lol. In retrospect, I don't really think anyone got too severely damaged except maybe that one player who wants to quit...I just really dislike someone from my KD saying things like "I want to quit" -- you know? It's little knife in the heart that they don't intend to mean that as it's my fault, more-so they are frustrated with what happened. Anyway - I think I'm rambling now. Again, thanks sincerely for that reply.

Don't enjoy competing? Might I suggest solitaire?

Stop this nonsense and take a selfie. Just saying...

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Originally Posted by smercjd

So log in today to see 2 of the Big Bad KDs attacking our KD...and another 22+ prov KD suddenly razing me and my steward for a completely false reason (claimed we attacked them and continued even after they asked us to stop -- nowhere in the news or message history to support that reason).

Of course this happens like .25hrs after we get a war agreed with someone (fortunately the war hasn't actually started) - and are now 20 attacks down before the day has even started... I mean...I get that there are gains reductions for not only size but GB...but it really doesn't do much. It's sorta silly that a kingdom 3x our size can basically wave us for their own bs reasons that just happen to fall in line with 2 others kingdoms attacking us at the same time. What chance do we have?

I will say...I'm very new...joined recently. Was very excited to get our KD going, changing a ghetto into something formidable (at least in the regular KD world of 20 prov KDs). I like wars, I don't mind getting chained, losing acres, etc...but when it comes down to our provs wanting to quit the game because of stuff like this...it makes it difficult to try any more.

I'm not saying make some new rules or anything...just curious what everyone's thoughts are on the following... I would like honest answers please. The Questions have intended audiences..

1) If you're a 25 prov KD that is 5Mil NW, hit into a 1.5mil NW KD - then rage at the province who retaliated against you and send 1/2 the KD to attack not only that province, but the rest of the KD who had nothing to do with any of this...all in the span of 2 hours...what are you trying to accomplish?

2) If you're a 23 prov KD that is 2.25Mil NW and start razing the monarch and steward of a 1.5Mil NW KD - shouldn't you check to make sure that it REALLY IS the KD that apparently pissed you off? Because I saw no evidence anywhere of the claims made against us... Also - what is the point of it? Razing the monarch/steward...at least do trad marches so you gain something out of it...it just seems completely unsportsmanlike.

3) If you're a 20 prov or less KD that is currently under 2Mil NW -- how do you feel about all of this? About how easy it is for any of the above KDs to just hit you freely whenever they want...and that you can't do anything about it - because you aren't 25 provs. Even if they are a similar NW size as you, 25 active provinces will always beat 20 provs with less activity. They will always beat a KD that is trying to form, trying to learn the game, trying to make things better.

I wanted to support the game, work and contribute towards improving the game...but all of this seems so silly. We will likely lose a province out of this - hopefully no more than that.

Again...this isn't a cry for pity. They are honest questions. What are your motives for doing that? Why do you have CFs with your competitors - shouldn't they be the ones you're targeting? The ones that are your size? What's the motive for the 2nd KD? Cause you certainly won't get a war out of that...lastly what's the motive for the other KDs...the motive to try/play when you are constantly harassed by the 25prov KDs...

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Hit them back. If those big kd's have any goal like growing or constant wars, you'll see they won't like it and they'll stop. That's what Godly and Zauper were referring too.

Wait, so Pyro randommed you. You retalled, then they went a bit extreme on the retals? That in itself isnt really strange. I am more interrested in the smaller KD razing you shortly after.
Are the 2 connected?

Offense is your best friend. GET OFFENSE.

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Originally Posted by Maximouse

Wait, so Pyro randommed you. You retalled, then they went a bit extreme on the retals? That in itself isnt really strange. I am more interrested in the smaller KD razing you shortly after.
Are the 2 connected?

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Congratulations Maximouse. You just shot yourself in the foot. :D

The 'Big Bad KD' in question was either going to be Pyro or CR. I took a look at my kingdom news when this post came up, and I was pretty certain that Pyro wasnt the 1 he was referring to (and hence was confident CR was the target kingdom). I held myself back from posting in this thread to 'restart' all this smearing campaign on each of our kingdom... but looks like you havent learnt your lesson.

I took a SN on the the probable kingdom based on your kingdom's latest SN, and the fact is that the kingdom that he is talking about is you, CR. It matches the description of his post perfectly.

So please kindly answer your own question

'That in itself isnt really strange. I am more interrested in the smaller KD razing you shortly after.
Are the 2 connected?'

Are you guys connected to the other kingdom? Is there something going on between both of you?

Please kindly educate the public

(remember, I know how all this whoring thingy works. so I never posted in this thread to shoot you guys.. but looks like you want to start it first.. and start it by shooting yourself in the foot :P)

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscart...-mfln6060l.jpg

The girl in the cartoon is topsy/zauper!

The easiest thing would be a player based alliance. You might have more in one kingdom than another, but that circumvents the less willing to charge the heavy kingdoms. You just need to set up a couple on rendezvous kingdoms so these players can pull together in one place. Invite credit pool, and willing adoption exchanges and you have a very formidable insurgence.

When I'm off work I'll put together a cJ like post, just for kicks.

There is no 1.5 million NW KD we mass targetted at all. So sorry CJ. Not us either. I havent had half my KD do retals on 1 KD (1 exception but thats not a 1.5 mil KD by a long shot) all age so far. So quite impossible he is talking about us.

And the question if the 2 actions (big KD hitting and smaller KD razing) still stands. I didnt accuse anybody about anything though. I was wondering if the smaller KD recieved messages connecting the 2 actions since its a bit weird both actions happen at the same time.

Curious about which KD he is talking about now. If its not CR or Pyro, who then? BB? Arent they below 5 mil atm?

my dear friend, go take a SN on 'All nightmare long'. and then see whether cr/pyro or bb corresponds the most to his description. see the razes by the '3rd knigdom'. It was done within 1-2hrs of your hits on them.

rmb, i'm not here to pick to a fight. i'm here to defend accusations made by you on my kd (and im laugh at you for shooting your own foot).

have a good friday night!

When I retire from utopia, there will be 2 people I am relieved that I will never have to listen to again: Proteus & cJ.

cJ, you are one of the dumbest human beings alive. If anyone tells me that you're over 12 years old, I'll call them a liar.

Mr ****lock did some research:

** The kingdom of All nightmare long **
Total land exchanged: -78 (1/5)
-38 Nightmare Hobo (0/1)
-40 Cuddly Panda Nightmare (1/4)

*78* total acres gained off them. All this for... a wall of text? This is what I was trying to explain in my post. Newbie monarchs overreact like crazy. If you even SoT them, you get messages like "OMFG STOP WHAT HAVE I DONE TO YOU" as if they have the absolute right to be isolated completely from utopia.

The reason you're a retard is because of this point: WHO CARES WHO IT IS. You actually investigated this? I didn't even care to look at the SN. The reason that maximouse thought it might be you, is because we've only gotten hits from 2 kds in the past 48 hrs and this 78 acre "retal" is the hardest we've gone on anyone. But that in itself wasn't an accusation of you being scummy players. If you actually read the post, he was defending you.

So, on the point of newbie monarchs overreacting in utopia: look in the mirror. YOU ARE THIS GUY! You are smercjd from a difference universe! That is my research:

You're like one big giant newbie monarch that somehow got his kingdom organized together and between the lack of top kingdoms and your 20th round together, you're somehow in the land crown race, but still have newbie monarch mentality. Case in point: you actually reported us last round. Your kingdom wouldn't be top 50 when I was first winning crowns. Stop embarrassing yourself every time you post and go back to the WW chart you idiot.

CR and Pyro are getting to the simians level of turning everything thread about them.


The big kingdom in question was CR, and no there was no organized front against said ghetto. The situation's been dealt with, so let's let all the finger pointing and conspiracy theories go...

...and Godly can go sit in a corner alone for a little bit...

Godly, then tell your maximouse to stop his accusation/finger pointing/kd smearing first. thank you very much. Remember, maximouse decided to start this first.

I didnt bother to do any research or digging, till i saw maximouse first post. You mentioned who would actually care about this? Yep, Maximouse. So are you going to call him a retard? wake up your idea Mr Godly. Remember, I mentioned in my post that I didnt bother to comment earlier in the thread, because we all know how the whoring game works and all.

And Godly, I (and probably alot of other people) dont really care about the **** that you say. I mean... who in the right frame of mind would self proclaim they are the greatest and all. And once again, by the admins of utopia, you got actioned for cheating. Who defines cheating? The admins. And you got actioned for it. So what if I was the 1 reporting it? There's a report button, and it's up to the admins to decide. And btw, it wasnt only me that reported and obviously i wont leak their names. Many other players from different kingdoms also did btw. So stop living in your own world.

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I dont see a need to post in this thread anymore. Maximouse tried to put Pyro down (and also link us with some 3rd kingdom that did razes and also questioned if they are linked).. but in fact, the poster was referring to CR. Now that is to clear to all whose reading this thread.. There's no need for me to post in here anymore.
Godly & Maximouse can gladly fill the rest of the thread with their posts as much as they want to.

smercjd: what a great solution. Bring attention to the top kds and just let them destroy themselves. Masterful.

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Don't enjoy competing? Might I suggest solitaire?

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You miss-understood. I don't NOT enjoy competing. It's somewhat neutral -- maybe a 6 on a scale of 1-10 on the liking it side.

Lol - Selfies are the cure-all :D

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Originally Posted by Palem

CR and Pyro are getting to the simians level of turning everything thread about them.


The big kingdom in question was CR, and no there was no organized front against said ghetto. The situation's been dealt with, so let's let all the finger pointing and conspiracy theories go...

...and Godly can go sit in a corner alone for a little bit...

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Its perfect, mission accomplished.
Simians is so calm and nice :)

On the point of being bombarded...it's not that any ONE KD did all this dmg - it's that ALL of them did it AT THE SAME TIME.
** The kingdom of US **
Total land exchanged: -159 (26/56)
-- yes, there aren't THAT many acres lost. Because we're doing what we can to keep our heads above the water. We went into fort stance, we've tried to regain acres by attacking elsewhere...But 56 attacks? All conveniently at the same time...

** The kingdom of BeastBlood **
Total land exchanged: +120 (2/1)
+65 Got you beat (1/1)
+55 Heres some hits (1/0)

** The kingdom of 3Mill NW **
Total land exchanged: +105 (2/0)
+105 666 (2/0)

** The kingdom of 25 Province KD **
Total land exchanged: NO CHANGE (2/0)
- Horton Hears a Hoo (2/0)

** The kingdom of 24 Prov KD **
Total land exchanged: NO CHANGE (2/0)
- Blueberry Cream Pie (1/0)
- Blueberry Marsh (1/0)

** The kingdom of Pyro **
Total land exchanged: +68 (1/0)
+68 Colt 45 (1/0)

** The kingdom of CR **
Total land exchanged: +78 (5/1)
+54 Internet Husband (2/0)
+48 Overly Attached Girlfriend (1/0)
+38 Sudden Clarity Clarence (1/0)
-62 Priority Peter (1/1)

** The kingdom of smaller anger problems KD **
Total land exchanged: +23 (1/4) [the point with these guys is that they were raze attacks on the king and steward and 1 trad on another guy]
+23 Jigsaw (1/0)
- Number 3 Bends (0/2)
- King Infront The Wall (0/2)

Completely off topic this:

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When I retire from utopia, there will be 2 people I am relieved that I will never have to listen to again: Proteus & cJ.

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That opening sentence actually made me smile. "When" implies that you will retire..so when will that be? I actually think I'd miss you ....

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cJ, you are one of the dumbest human beings alive. If anyone tells me that you're over 12 years old, I'll call them a liar.

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Insult #1

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Mr ****lock did some research:

** The kingdom of All nightmare long **
Total land exchanged: -78 (1/5)
-38 Nightmare Hobo (0/1)
-40 Cuddly Panda Nightmare (1/4)

*78* total acres gained off them. All this for... a wall of text? This is what I was trying to explain in my post. Newbie monarchs overreact like crazy. If you even SoT them, you get messages like "OMFG STOP WHAT HAVE I DONE TO YOU" as if they have the absolute right to be isolated completely from utopia.

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I agree, 5 hits to make him stop retalling...hardly worth a wall of text.

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The reason you're a retard is because of this point: WHO CARES WHO IT IS. You actually investigated this? I didn't even care to look at the SN. The reason that maximouse thought it might be you, is because we've only gotten hits from 2 kds in the past 48 hrs and this 78 acre "retal" is the hardest we've gone on anyone. But that in itself wasn't an accusation of you being scummy players. If you actually read the post, he was defending you.

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Maximouse's post was three-fold.
1. Stating that PyroManiaCs was the culprit could be understandable seeing it was only 5 hits you did and the Topic Poster made it look like a full-wave retal.
2. He says that a bit harder retal on the retal isn't very strange, and that's true. It's the only way to stop the retals.
3. Maximouse tries to relate the "random" raze to PyroManiaCs. That's conspiracy theory for you ... and to link it to PyroManiaCs due to (1.) above.

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So, on the point of newbie monarchs overreacting in utopia: look in the mirror. YOU ARE THIS GUY! You are smercjd from a difference universe! That is my research:

You're like one big giant newbie monarch that somehow got his kingdom organized together and between the lack of top kingdoms and your 20th round together, you're somehow in the land crown race, but still have newbie monarch mentality.

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Yeah, you're awesome...we know.

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Case in point: you actually reported us last round.

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That only proves one point: it doesn't matter who you are and what your track record is. If you cheat, you get actioned.

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Your kingdom wouldn't be top 50 when I was first winning crowns.

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Awesomeness.....and neither would CR, so hush!

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Stop embarrassing yourself every time you post and go back to the WW chart you idiot.

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Insult #3, you meanie!

To cJ: don't .... just don't .... just leave it ....

Can I still hijack this thread or is it too late?

All this reaction for 60-odd imaginary acres...

Also :D Godly

Dear smercjd,

Please take a look at the advise Godly and StratOcastle gave you. They are 100% correct. Use this information to structure your kingdom in a way that kingdoms would not consider you a "safe hit". If you'd like to know more tricks to scare off "bullies", I'm sure a bunch of people are more than willing to give you some pointers on IRC as well.

In the above SN-snippet I see about 15-20 attacks on your kingdom but I don't see how many attacks you did. The mere fact that you claim that you had a war agreed and coming up does not show up in the news. I do not know if it would have helped, but sending in a few attacks from both sides and thus creating a hostile situation and tagging up was the way to go.

Anyway, I hope you can recover from the hits and still enjoy the planned war (if that's still going to happen).

so much political butthurt....


/recliner
/katsup padadadurrr chips

@ Maximous -- lol - you certainly like to be exact about numbers...but the numbers are now posted...

and the charade of - "oh my! - did they attack them too? Oh silly me I didn't know! I just have a 'temporary' CF with all my Big KD friends and hide safely behind those walls. I never meant any harm! It must be someone else." Is simply...disheartening.

@ Godly - lmao - um, you need some purple drank?? I hear it helps calm the nerves. Also it was only 78 acres because the province that got hit retaliated...which then lead to more attacks and they were not only on the "offender"...funny because when I messaged your king - I said well you guys hit him first and that I understand his "right to retaliate" I then apologized for the bad message that he sent and asked that all this just stop -- but all he was was "and...?" No attempt for diplomacy. Clearly only intending to do what he wanted to do.

Note to everyone: I'm not sitting here angry or sad about the mechanics and the numbers. I'll throw them up there for you guys to discuss and debate over. The point I'm making is that you're making 1 or more people in my Kingdom unhappy with Utopia by playing this way. Nobody is stupid - we all see what you're doing. I am personally trying to help Utopia grow - well...now I know how hard it is...but it seems like you're almost actively trying to make it shrink. When it's gone, what will you do? Why not revive Utopia - fight each other early on. Or at the very least stop bullying tiny KDs... If you random someone and they retal you - you probably deserve it, that doesn't mean you need to send 1/2 a wave at them. Take an SN - it costs 3 stealth. Notice that they are currently being slammed by a million KDs (@ maximous, yes a million is exaggerated) - maybe have some decency to find someone else? Ever think of the other top KDs that you're ACTUALLY competing with?

But most cats are out of the bag. You guys know who you are.

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Dear smercjd,

Please take a look at the advise Godly and StratOcastle gave you. They are 100% correct. Use this information to structure your kingdom in a way that kingdoms would not consider you a "safe hit". If you'd like to know more tricks to scare off "bullies", I'm sure a bunch of people are more than willing to give you some pointers on IRC as well.

In the above SN-snippet I see about 15-20 attacks on your kingdom but I don't see how many attacks you did. The mere fact that you claim that you had a war agreed and coming up does not show up in the news. I do not know if it would have helped, but sending in a few attacks from both sides and thus creating a hostile situation and tagging up was the way to go.

Anyway, I hope you can recover from the hits and still enjoy the planned war (if that's still going to happen).

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Yes - I had sent the message to accept terms. Come back 3 hours later and all of this starts. (I posted "war agreed" in our banner). So "tagging up" as the way to go, was clearly the one thing that brought attention down on us. Or maybe it's the KD we have a war agreed with? Also, Did I miss 'advice' from Godly somewhere? Cause it seems like he is just insulting everyone, but maybe I missed a post somewhere. Though I'm not really insulted by nooby king - because I am a nooby King...but everyone else he seems pretty angry towards...or is it one of those in between the lines type thing?

I don't want "tricks to scare off bullies" -- I suppose I want bullies to be more considerate when they're bullying? Is that even a thing? Probably not...lol

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I'm not sitting here angry or sad about the mechanics and the numbers.

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I know you aren't Smercj. Some people on this forum like to shift the discussion with accusations like that. Don't let them get the better of you!

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I am personally trying to help Utopia grow - well...now I know how hard it is...but it seems like you're almost actively trying to make it shrink.

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So true :)

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Also, Did I miss 'advice' from Godly somewhere? Cause it seems like he is just insulting everyone, but maybe I missed a post somewhere. Though I'm not really insulted by nooby king - because I am a nooby King...but everyone else he seems pretty angry towards...or is it one of those in between the lines type thing?

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Nah, that's just how he is. :)

Fact is, I'd hit someone on 20k off and 80k def over someone on 80k off and 20k def.

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Fact is, I'd hit someone on 20k off and 80k def over someone on 80k off and 20k def.

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What if he had millions of books, would you prefer to learn attack once or 4x ?

Just back from IRC -- Godly tells me I have 2 options - to take his advice or go away... you know...as if I even had the option? Why would I take advice from someone who doesn't actually listen to what I'm saying?? Now I know that he's intentionally wanting to make Utopia smaller...