where is nesta? why was nesta not king or stew? why is #pyromaniacs no longer around? is pyro dead?
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where is nesta? why was nesta not king or stew? why is #pyromaniacs no longer around? is pyro dead?
NesTa13 (S) Human 4,285a 703,087gc 164gc Lord
This game was too easy... think of something else...
I am getting a lot of questions on irc about why we are hitting pyro.
Let's explain. Their cf consisted of them saying they would be willing to give us yr 5-8 cf. No notice or anything. So that tells me they want to farm me at some point. So after the awar bombdigigity annoyed me by breathing air. I found out what prov he was and sent something along the lines "Chrystal is coming for you. You gonna die." So they put up their cows a little bigger than my two smallest. They then decided to sit on 165k def at 11.5k acres. They were not safe to do that. Not with a fsu kd fully pumped that they planned on farming at some point.
Did I deal break in any shape or form? No. I hit before I could be hit. Also we made 6 hits initially. 2 on each cow and 2 on bombdigigity. We then waited for diplo to start. No one ever showed up on irc. Nor did they respond via in game. We starved a cow. Waited. No response. So our only option was to start razing. We figure they will take it to war and start bounce wave. The best thing we could do is make their acres disappear.
Now first and foremost we are a fsu kd. Don't expect to farm me and then sit on 150-160k def.
And let me stress this point. This had nothing to do with any awar business. It was purely the fact we were protecting ourselves and more importantly bombdigigity annoyed me.
Will there be war?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace
Yes. It's inevitable now.
watch out their buddies though :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace
hmm, are ghettos able to hit them? 150k is sexy for my lil attacker however i dont want BB to raze me :D
They can't interfere. We did nothing wrong. And as I have stated we are not involved with any alliance at this time. And flogger has my kd on lock down since there are more ex BB players than any other. Although I think now simians are tied with BB in our kd.
You mean that you just razed a kingdom that explored big provinces that could farm you while you have ex-BB players in your kingdom?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace
Quick, lets gangbang BB!
Also have ex abs players too. So lets gangbang abs and BB
Anyway let's update.
We took 4k acres in tm hits opening wave. They went for and we sent gold dragon. Their one cow started to starve a few ticks but they in top if that now. Some are training others are not. The one cow that didn't starve isn't training.
We got no reply so we then proceeded to raze them from fort to fort. I think total they lost somewhere around 8-10k acres so far. We are all in now. We can't let the pressure up. We actually got some pezzie space from the initial wave. We also proceeded to steal their gc
The one cow lost about 100mil. The other lost about 40-60mil. They have a saph pointed at us but our tms suck anyway so we will prolly tank that one. I know how good their tms are so we have a saph pointed at them and ready to fly when they declare. While they aren't training we continue to add def. We expect a bounce wave so we have our build set up accordingly. We will see what happens
Thats a lot of gc, u seem to be money king right now and sapphire wont make it effective fort to fort opping :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace
If their tms are really good why they needed sapphire? :)
i am lilnub.
You want t/ms to whine and sapphire usually evokes balling.
As a guy who has played undead cleric a lot I wondered why we didn't tank everything.
This is day two of us hitting with no response. Were are you nesta!? Why you hiding? Come play with sweet Chrystal. Anyway our next move is to reset all provs. We gonna pull a twisty.
Keep a tazergun loaded at all times man, those monkeys get out of control sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace
I talked to them ingame and its fun to see them around!
Go Xstal! Be careful though, razing a kd before they train up is a gb'able offense and worthy of you or anyone associated with you being deal broke and waved into war.
You two good friends? Did you secretly plan last age farmout together also? That button got "slipped" 1h after you made a deal to Simians, right? CP just managed to release one prov after another at a perfect time for you to farm them in war also. This gave your core the acres you required to win the age. Was it all planned or was it just "lucky" events? Or was CP just the most noob player on the server? So many questions, very little answers....Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Emeriti got struck by some karma this age maybe...
No anri. None of that is the case. I went to you. I went to BB. I got into a situation last age I couldn't get myself out of. I asked for advice. We thought we could intra raze but we learned we couldn't do it. And they were waiting for us to release the last cow. We got away with it on the first two.
I did not intend to farm out and give a crown. And this age we only messed with people that had no chance to crown.
We went after pyro. We figured it's eoa and we could use some fun. We were trained for wsk. And bobmatter how many times I threaten to raze into wars it still strikes me as wrong. CRS and I talked and he said sorry for the way **** went down. So we moved on. We went through our cf to find someone we could war and have a challenge. Sadly pyro is MIA.
Like I said we have more simians players and BB players than any others. If we had to choose a side it would have been BB. But zauper was in emeriti. And we didn't want to tear apart our kd over some bull****. So we stayed out of it.
As far as pyro is concerned I did message bomdigity and told him I was coming for him.
Game Date June 12 of YR5
Real Date Sun, 21 Jun at 05:03 GMT+00:00
Sender The Wise Baron ye4ah of Venom (x:x)
Recipient The Wise Noble Lady dumdum of dorkus maximus (x:x)
Subject Re:Hi
> The Wise Noble Lady dumdum of dorkus maximus (x:x) said: > > Just wanted to clarify. I'm gonna kill your prov but not for awar people but because you talk to much and you're an idiot. > > > Good day and <3 > Chrystal
http://listenonrepeat.com/watch/?v=qy3P7jusPJY
his little youtube video was interesting as a reply. so we didnt need to serve notice but as far as notices go i guess this would be one. that was yr 5. so they knew for 5 weeks i was right around the corner.
When both sides go postal in forums it drama, when only one does so its strutting and crying for attention.
well see im not crying for attention although i did want the attention. the way i figure it if i post what i did and the reasons i did it and the cf deals that were or were not made to allow me to do it then there is no reason for the spice girls alliance to interfere. :D
I smell awar coming up soon
That'd liven things up. Why let the age go down in predictable fashion?
I'll donate 2 credits for each time ****bomb gets killed! (up to a max of 10x)
Anri, I will make one post on this subject, then I hope you'll stop taking threads off topic on this. The first time I ever talked to Crystal was after he hit Emeriti's cows down while they were completely untrained and Emeriti asked me to help work something out with him. Crystal was polite and well spoken in the diplomacy, but we were unable to reach a deal. Emeriti was asking Crystal for some amount of their cow acres back. I think they wanted 60% back for EOA CF if I remember right. Emeriti had their cows wrecked by his hits. (They later got completely destroyed in the war but Emeriti gained overall.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
[17:19:48] <AquaSeaFoam> ok, so as for emeriti:
[17:20:05] <AquaSeaFoam> my understanding is that they feel they are pretty well ****ed now already as far as their age chances
[17:20:19] <AquaSeaFoam> so they can either cf you and then get owned by bb or whoever
[17:20:39] <AquaSeaFoam> or they can make sure that they at least get some revenge ont he one who wrecked their chances
[17:20:55] <Chrystal> I like the last one.
[17:21:06] <AquaSeaFoam> ok, then i guess you and them are on the same page already
[17:21:13] <Chrystal> Yeah
[17:21:17] <AquaSeaFoam> so why did you start whining in the pub channel? ;)
[17:21:27] <Chrystal> U wasn't whining
[17:21:32] <Chrystal> I wasnt
[17:21:53] <Chrystal> But I wanted an answer
[17:21:54] <AquaSeaFoam> also, why would you want to raze yourself as you said there?
[17:22:00] <AquaSeaFoam> that doesn't make sense does it?
[17:22:15] <Chrystal> Because we knew it might happen
[17:22:31] <Chrystal> But we won't be giving them the acres we took.
[17:22:38] <AquaSeaFoam> why?
[17:22:54] <Chrystal> Because it cost us to get them
[17:23:20] <AquaSeaFoam> so since it cost you to get them, you want to cost yourself more to lose them?
[17:23:29] <AquaSeaFoam> not very good logic i'm afraid
[17:24:17] <AquaSeaFoam> can you show me the terms they asked you for before that you didn't like?
[17:24:18] <Chrystal> Right but we will give them elsewhere I suppose. That's always an option
[17:25:00] <Chrystal> Absolutly give me a moment I have tons of qq mail.
[17:25:03] <AquaSeaFoam> thanks
[17:25:50] <Chrystal> Also only way I see is offering up my halfer for cf but that's all I am giving up.
[17:26:42] <AquaSeaFoam> well, i haven't even seen either kd page
[17:27:00] <AquaSeaFoam> but my understanding is thay'd want a deal that let them compete again, otherwise there's not much point
[17:27:57] <Chrystal> Well we can easily get 3 more waves in until they are able to do anything
[17:28:10] <Chrystal> I think their gc is sitting in my kd somewhere
[17:28:29] <Chrystal> So that's 3 waves then we farm out to someone.
We also discussed how the diplo got messed up to begin with where Emeriti thought they had an agreement that Crystal wouldn't hit them unless Emeriti hit him first and so on. In the end my opinion was that Emeriti messed up by not securing a formal official deal earlier. Crystal said Emeriti proposed:
[17:33:03] <Chrystal> Real DateThu, 29 Jan at 00:40 GMT+00:00SenderKing Bill Lumbergh the Rogue of Office Space (Emeriti)RecipientLady hand of jwuzi the Warrior of Chrystal Palace (Crystal)SubjectRe:hihi again
[17:33:03] <Chrystal> Hi again,
[17:33:03] <Chrystal> I appreciate that you are making a kingdom to mess around in CR's age off, but i think threatening to hit into wars and harass kds who hit you all age is just a bit over the top for a couple randoms. If you'd like to cf and head all of that off, I'd be glad to. If you would like some help hitting specific targets in your kd, I'd be glad to :p. but complaining to everyone on utonet about 3 randoms is kinda crappy :(
[17:33:03] <Chrystal> if you arent going for growth/#1, I'd even be glad to cf you til eoa without any more attacks, just to make sure we stay out of your news, with the condition that if we are both in t5 after say week 3, the cf drops to 72h notice. What do you think?
[17:33:22] <Chrystal> And who is to say we wouldn't be top 5 at some point?
[17:33:44] <AquaSeaFoam> well, was there any counter offer by you after?
[17:34:16] <Chrystal> yep leave us alone or we hit into your wars
[17:34:47] <AquaSeaFoam> and apparently an unspoken "don't leave us alone and we tell you we won't go after you but then instead we'll hit your cows for 6k when you're not ready"
[17:35:05] <AquaSeaFoam> err i didn't say that right
[17:35:39] <AquaSeaFoam> an unspoken "even if you leave us alone we will tell you we won't go after you but then instead we'll hit your cows for 6k when you're not ready"
[17:35:45] <Chrystal> Welk to be fair I did tell felonious that but we were prepping to hit Emeriti
[17:35:57] <Chrystal> I couldn't very well say that now could i?
In summary, Crystal wanted to FSU on Emeriti because Emeriti hit him a few times early age. Emeriti was #1 at the time with big cows and were sitting on low draft. He hit down Emeriti's cows. Emeriti asked for ~60% of the land back for an EOA cf, but Crystal said he couldn't give that. Emeriti retaliated. Crystal hit more and gave the button. Emeriti pushed it and they warred. Emeriti had all of their cows completely trashed in the war but gained something like 27k acres overall counting the ww bonus. This was a lot less than the 68k Emeriti gained from BB.
There is no conspiracy, CHrystal is just bad at meter control.
If we wanted to talk real conspiracy, we could talk about how Crystal has more BB players than any others and hit down Emeriti cows before their upcoming fight with BB last age. Crystal states he went to Anri and BB for advice on the matter. He also said at the time in our diplo that he did the FSU and wouldn't give the acres back even though he personally was against it because his kingdom outvoted him on doing it.
Is it just a random coincidence that a kingdom with many ex-BB members did FSU on Emeriti by hitting down their cows shortly before their CF with BB was up? Does the FSu not working out as well as planned make it ok? Was it ok for Bour to hit BB this age to try and get a cf since he immediatley offered all land plus more back and in the end gave BB ~3x the land he took back? Hypocrisy anyone?
Its funny how you keep coming here posting day after day but claim you dont have time for Utopia. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Also, Bour said he didnt want to do it but was convinced by his former kd mates in Emeriti, the right thing wouldnt be razing at all. You act like its okey to collude with your former kingdom mates as long as you offer acres back.
Are you joking with us here? Me and Anri were ****ting our pants around the time because we got the news from YOUR kingdom that crystal had wanted a cf so he could go after us next etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Do that really sound like a guy who at the same time ask anri for advice? Either anri was doing some major cia-tactics on me or we were both paranoid about crystals kds.
Remember that we gave your kd a cf at the time? Its because we thought that you would cf crystal anytime soon and then we might get both crystal and pewpew at our hands at the same time and other similar scenarios. We did later find out that was never his intention though, but at the time we had no idea.
I'm still not looking at kingdom pages till after declare. " who are these guys, a super kingdom? Oh.. "Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
I never had any intentions of hitting simians. Them and BB have always been off of our radar. As well as CR. The deal we made as a kd. Was we don't hit BB and we don't hit CR. I actually wanted to hit pewpew while they were prepping for simians. But while I was at work or asleep or something emeriti got hit. And as the face of our kd I had to go with it. I make a lot of decisions in our kd. But there is actually 3 of us that say what goes. Kremlin is monarch. That was the deal from the start. I wanted to be stew not monarch and I wanted to deal with the cf. While he dealt with the nubs.
The emeriti thing was a disaster. I messed up by managing things. I should have been more forceful about hitting pewpew. I didn't want to hit emeriti at all because of what felonious and I talked about. But there was no cf set in stone. I didn't db. I turned out to be a liar to a good friend and she hasn't talked to me since. So was it worth it? No it wasn't but ibstand beside what i did.
I have no live for ASF. Not since he tried to go around me and donmy diplo for me with cj. I talk to cj every day on wassapp. He is a friend. I didn't need some abs scum to be my mouth piece. The only reason we didn't hit emeriti during the alliance crap is because they had CR people playing their that even our BB players respected.
There was no conspiracy last age nor is there any this age.
It takes...what...15 minutes to make a big post on the forum? Let's say he makes 3 per day (which he doesn't). That's 45 minutes per day on the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
You think you can spend 45 minutes a day running a successful top kingdom?
Oh, so the only way to play Utopia is running a sucessfull top kingdom? So I assume you dont play Utopia then. neither is majority of Utopia. In fact, what 1-2 people are only playing Utopia. I thought you got burned badly enough last time you tried with a lame retort but you come back for more. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Also, when this "Awar" bull**** was going he made 10+ posts per day for several days.
Well, if he creates some ghetto province just to dick around, that kingdom is automatically doing to be a part of "Absalom", so given the choice between that and running a top kingdom that's actually capable of defending itself against kingdoms like feyr play, then yea it's either run a top kingdom or not play.
Also, of those 10+ posts a day, maybe 2-3 were long. The rest were the type that take a minute or less to type up. Still not anywhere near the kind of time it takes to run a kingdom.
You know, you dont have to lead to play in a good kd, I didnt realize this was such a strange concept for you. Either way, if he played in a ghetto just dicking around who would know it was ASF if he didnt say anything? Making your point rather moot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
IF you have take in factor that you have to be around to reply to those posts as well, its not like it was 8 posts after each other then gone. In fact, ASF hasnt lead any kd for along time as I understand it. Hence nubs like Proteus and Drixx getting spotlight.
Activity rears it's ugly head in the top. It's too bad... everyone watching perfectly good provinces rot on the vine.
Let me blow your mind for a second ASF...Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
CP didn't want to hit Eme last age, he got outvoted :) He's just actually an awesome person and took all of the heat anyway. I know you are still really bitter about how things went down this age, but we really didn't have anything to do with it in spite of me being former BB as well as a few others (although I don't think anyone who knows me really associates me with BB, I have my own history if you ask around). It's also a completely apples and oranges comparison.
Some real talk about last age. We wanted to make some waves and we did. We screwed up the last part of it though. It wasn't really anyone's fault (we didn't think Eme would drop that much NW, should have known better) and it had nothing to do with where any of us were from. We had a few different options and honestly Eme wasn't even our first choice but it was just to juicy to pass up at the time. And yes we did give them the crown, not saying that they didn't earn it but the land they gained vs us is what put them over the edge. Of course they gained a lot more vs BB but it would have been a vastly different fight without that 27k acres from us.
thanks kremlin.
anyway back on topic. Nesta's Nubs are trying to raze bounce me. not sure if they are dropping off fighting mens for me to use as well or what. instead of killing my defense i am growing it instead. we are waiting for them to declare so only a few of our provs are still razing. we decided to hold off so we could gain some kind of acres in war. they fools gold a little bit of their gc we took. other than that all is well in chrystal land.
Kremlin will always be Prismatic Warriors :)
I don't know what was said between Emeriti and you about it, I was just saying what Crystal stated in this thread. Are you saying he didn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by vir
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrystal Palace
My forum time today including this post was a total of about 20 minutes. Most days it's less. Leading a top kingdom and an alliance properly takes significantly more time than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Why are you claiming bour said stuff he never said? Bombdigie is not a good example on how to post. In fact, Bour said several times that the razes were his decision alone.
As for how I act, you seem to have got that all wrong too. I said from the start that Emeriti was wrong to have suggested to bour that he could threaten to raze (or actually raze) if BB wouldn't cf him. Believe what you want, but that's the first time anything like that had ever happened with Emeriti (it was also the first time Bour's kingdom had large provinces since Emeriti was formed.) There are lots of logs showing that Emeriti leadership was not happy that Bour's kingdom explored large since Emeriti was not looking for any collusion or assistance and simply didn't want Bour to farm out to their competition.
I just find it ironic that last age before Emeriti was set to fight BB, a FSU kingdom with a bunch of ex-BB members hit down Emeriti's cows and refused to give any land back. When this happens, Emeriti is accused of arranging farm wars even though they lost their cows and had only modest gains largely from the ww bonus.
This age an ex-emeriti member was trying to get a cf with BB and when he was unable to get their attention, he razed BB for well under 1/10th of the land Crystal initially hit Emeriti's cows for. When he razed, he offered all land back plus extra for a cf. In the end, he voluntarily gave ~3x the land back and agreed to BB set size caps. Emeriti also offered BB land from their own kingdom and adjusted cf terms to BB's liking to help ensure BB was in no way harmed just for advising bour to get a cf with threats/force if necessary. Emeriti gets deal broke and waved into war.
In addition, after all this is done, logs came out that BB advised Pyro to wave ED into their hostile with FS in addition to a bunch of other **** play by BB's alliance.
In short, I'm not saying Bour razing was fine or that Emeriti advising him to threaten to raze to get a cf was fine, but I am saying that BB are hypocrites and the real reason that BB wanted Emeriti gb'd is because Emeriti was #1 and owned BB in 1v1 wars each of the last two ages and Bb knew that it'd happen again this age unless they changed the rules like by deal breaking and waving into active war.
Asf, I dont think you actually believe we coordinated anything with BB last age and youll notice we didn't participate in what happened this age.
This really has nothing to do with all of that BS.
Korp, I have played for many ages and I pretty much always help manage everything behind the scenes even if someone else is "in the spotlight". Ata also helped do a lot in Rage but was rarely in the spotlight. To be more correct, I really should have said I don't have the time to compete this age or next. Sorry I was unclear. Just FYI, Drixx took over Rage after I had completely retired and that's when he used the Rumors Bargains Lies (RBL) name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp