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June 20 of YR3 #1
The Wise Frasier of
DontMindMe
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I am Ras Al-Ghul, sent by the league of Shadows to exterminate this kingdom. It must burn to the ground before it can be reborn. May God have mercy on your souls.
He started growing big , n destroy everyone smaller than him.
Don't post locations.
Attacking your kingdom isn't against the rules. Either fight back or find a new a kingdom.
Ok, tq .
That message is 4 days old...what has come of this?
The biggest KD in utopia helped, then a very friendly KD agreed to war them, the terms being that said KD removed the teamkiller before the real war started.
that's quite illegal, just fyi.
Why is killing a prov before war starts as a part of war terms illegal?
I understand the situation as:
-War is declared
-Both sides work on killing the province
-After province is removed, both sides start warring
That's illegal.
That would be extremely inefficient with in war raze being what it is and all. So I'd assume they are killing pre war and then declare like meep said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
I find it hard to believe ghettos would do something extremely inefficient....Quote:
Originally Posted by Band of Horses
Maybe I give them too much credit. But one side razes seems illogical for any kd in the top 150 so that excludes 12 kds ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UocjgrSQVI
why is that illegal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
It's not agreeing not to hit a province, it's just agreeing TO hit a province.
If you're in war and you're not in EoWCF, no one is allowed to agree to not hit anyone else. That's abusing the stance. Why do you need protection from the rest of utopia to remove a province? That's nonsense.
There was already a offered war win in the deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meep
Palem is correct. Mass deletions would ensue if this continued.
I thought I was told at one point that cow NAPs are allowed, and what mattered was the timing of the deal relative to war start or something. Shrug.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
The situation is resolved as we want to play by the rules.
However Korp, you know nothing about this whole thing, stop trying to be like some cool wise owl.
Palem, we never agreed to not hit anyone. And nobody is doing this for protection lol. We just wanted a war we had a chance to win (complete overgrown ghetto that we are) and the only way we could get one is by agreeing to raze their noob off before the real war started.
Bishop, King of Kings, please lead our KD to victory :)
I guess FAT and FATstrat is two different persons then. sorry :) But its amazing how there is two totally different persons that have almost exact the same situation and both have FAT in their nick. :(
I guess you hacked my PC and saw how the war terms developed. amazing.
Or, there was someone nicked FAT on irc admitt that a warwin was offered for the issue. But as said obviously not the same person as you, just very similiar cases. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by FATstrat
I remember asking for advice on whether it was legal. Then I remember being told that predetermined war was illegal. Then I created war terms that I thought were legal based on what you guys told me in irc. I have tried to be legit the whole time. Now when bishop tells my kd to war properly we do, because again we want to follow the rules, despite them being pretty unclear and seemingly only fully expressed inside the moderators heads.
War is for warring, not getting 2 kingdoms to attack one province. Not a hard concept in fairness.
We were gonna war properly after their intra-killing province was dead to actually make it a fair war.... Otherwise it would have been very unfair.... like it is now.
But I am not complaining, just explaining, we are happy to follow the rules.
So after the war was fake it would be real? Oh my goodness, why didn't you say so, that makes it all ok.
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Well I don't know. I was just told it wasn't allowed to be predetermined. So yeah, I thought it would be ok.
If you could please point me to the specifics of the rules about warring, I will happily educated myself and learn from my mistake.
Funny, multiple people in both kingdoms knew it wasn't allowed.
Spirit of the Rules
Players attempting to manipulate rules and quirks of the game in ways obviously not intended may be subject to deletion.
Well as the monarch and the one soley responsible for the war, I didn't know.
That's why I went to IRC to ask before I made any plans. Seeking out the rules so I was sure that I didn't break them.
I read the spirit of the rules. I mean, is that a joke? How am I supposed to know what that allows and what it doesn't allow.
I mean, even Zauper, King of the largest and most powerful Kingdom in the whole of utopia, is a bit confused by the rules.
A noob like me has no chance.
Rather than whining, getting pissy and getting on my radar why don't you just apologise and move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by FATstrat
Sorry, but i'm not whining or getting pissy, just explaining myself like i said.
I apologise for my mistake and obviously I am not high profile enough to be allowed to talk and explain myself on forums.
Back to the ghetto for me.
I think somewhere in the wiki it cites a NAP during war as precedence for deletions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zauper
I'm sort of curious about the rogue prov in all of this. Legit?
hehe...this makes me giggle :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
I recall a conversation with Bishop about cow NAPs where I was told they were allowed situationally -- but it's equally possible that I'm misremembering. But of course, Ryan was deleted for making a deal that allowed another kd to farm out his provs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niko
My recollection is that Pew/Strippers had a cownap during a war and that was ok? Though dunno if anyone reported it.
Why would cow naps be illegal? Cows needs their sleep too. You people can be so heartless sometimes.
No wonder there are only 3500 people left playing Utopia, I read the moderators comments and I was amazed... did you guys finished law or something? if so, the rules should really be more specific, and not leave any point for interpretation, otherwise I suspect some over-inflated egos...
I'm not involved in any way in this messy war, but viewed from outside there seems no breaking of the rules if kingdom A wars kingdom B with the only demand to level the plain field, and not play 24 vs 26.
My kd lost a war due to some random dude that arrived in our kingdom, that after 4 days of playing along started attacking our king that was already the chain target and left with under 300 acres before his attacks, taking the king under 200 acres.
How is that fair? How would that help the game?
Wouldn't it be more SANE to be a rule preventing intra-KD attacks except for some specified conditions? (like unwanted players by the king& majority of players)... Isn't this game the most team-oriented war game?
You're stuck too much with the rules that you forgot the reason why it was needed to have some rules... case proven by the decreasing popularity of the game.
That's really sad, returning after some 8-10 years and seeing it all gone to ####. And like me there are others, returning from time to time, until there will be no more, just 20 kds fighting for their egos.
Good job ;)
Cool story. If you want to cheat we'd rather not have you.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustDoItRo
I know it might be shocking for players returning from that long ago to find the game actually enforcing rules now. What the hell are the devs thinking actually enforcing rules and making people compete in a fair competition!?Quote:
Originally Posted by JustDoItRo
and this game will be dead sooner because of close minded mods!Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Oh yea, thats what people been saying for years now, like around 8 "This game will die soon" ... zzz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elixir
It's sweet that you think I have absolutely anything to do with killing the game lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Elixir