Clarification on the Chart Rule

So, given that this chart rule is rather new with the new ownership, I'm wondering in what instances of dev action it applies. Fake war is obviously one of many ways you can get actioned. I have just a few examples:

1) I get actioned for swearing at someone in game because they piss me off. I am suspended for 24-48 hours or whatever it is.

2a) Someone in my kingdom has multis unbenounced to me. Not like this has ever happened to me before because everyone I associate with us 100% honest and clean, but there's a chance that a scumbag can get through.

2b) Does it depend on how they use the multis? IE as their own personal intel/resource farm vs. baiting someone into warring.

3) A couple in my kingdom is actioned for multi'ing because they used each other's phones/computers at some point. I want to say this happened to Jesters or some other ghetto a few ages back and caused a mini-****storm.

4) Someone xlogs their friend for a hit/aid as they've maxed all their sitting for the month.

I'm sure there's other scenarios, but we have some gray area with what level of dev action could constitute removal from the charts unless the answer to all of these scenarios is yes. In the future will the chart removal be announced at the time of punishment or will ppl have to wait until EOA again? I don't condone cheating at all, but things happen with 25 ppl that isn't endorsed by a kingdom's ls. Or is there going to be a case by case thing of whether or not the person who committed these acts is ls? If so then what constitutes ls? Just steward and monarch?

And will fake wars be continued on a case by case basis? Because there were a couple gray wars according to the community last age that weren't actioned. There's also famous past instances where 2 kingdoms are warring but one of the warring parties is hitting out at 3rd kingdom while the other kingdom in war farms. Will devs have a different stance on that war than previous administrations?

If your kingdom is actioned, your kingdom will not chart.
If your province is actioned, your province will not chart (but your kingdom will).

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Originally Posted by JeffT

If your kingdom is actioned, your kingdom will not chart.
If your province is actioned, your province will not chart (but your kingdom will).

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I'd say....don't let yourself be tied down too much.

Just say the punishment will fit the crime...a level of discretion is needed.

good if someone is actioned - at a province level they won't chart, if a kd is actioned, the whole kd wont chart...

Does this also mean provinces in the kingdom that did not cheat won't chart?

does said province that wont chart get removed from the kingdom totals... since you save the ability to remove at eoa w/o a warning.

why you should just delete at time of the incident

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Originally Posted by JeffT

If your kingdom is actioned, your kingdom will not chart.
If your province is actioned, your province will not chart (but your kingdom will).

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All violations of the rules are handled on a case by case basis, what JeffT says will apply in those scenarios as they occur.

Fair and honorable play should be promoted. Do not violate the Terms of Service, nor condone violations by others and you won't have a problem.

If you suspect the Terms of Service have been violated, you can e-mail us at UtopiaSupport@Utopia-Game.com and we will investigate the matter and serve punishment appropriately.

So will you act on farmouts, hitting into war, shady deals, etc all things that occur in Utopia as well? Fair and Honorable play is a pretty broad definition and you can impossibly catch all of that. If you cant enforce the rules strictly they become very toothless in the end or at least unfair. Cause KD A cheated but didnt get punished cause you didnt notice and Kingdom B that did cheat and got punished as well. ITs a slipperly slope.


Shouldnt BB and Divinity as well be removed from the charts in that case cause you can hardly claim what they did was honorable and fair play last age.

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Originally Posted by JeffT

If your kingdom is actioned, your kingdom will not chart.
If your province is actioned, your province will not chart (but your kingdom will).

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Quoting for future reference. Screenshot for Nazimods.

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Originally Posted by DavidC

All violations of the rules are handled on a case by case basis, what JeffT says will apply in those scenarios as they occur.

Fair and honorable play should be promoted. Do not violate the Terms of Service, nor condone violations by others and you won't have a problem.

If you suspect the Terms of Service have been violated, you can e-mail us at UtopiaSupport@Utopia-Game.com and we will investigate the matter and serve punishment appropriately.

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So is that also where I should voice my concerns that one of the owners updated the ToS to cover his on complicity in a ToS violation that probably resulted in multing, in the process shielding his friend(s) and former KD mates from the application of the rules set forth in this post (and quoted and pictured for longevity).

Because I feel like keeping those sorts of concerns private isn't an effective way to voice my concerns...

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Originally Posted by Pillz

So is that also where I should voice my concerns that one of the owners updated the ToS to cover his on complicity in a ToS violation that probably resulted in multing, in the process shielding his friend(s) and former KD mates from the application of the rules set forth in this post (and quoted and pictured for longevity).

Because I feel like keeping those sorts of concerns private isn't an effective way to voice my concerns...

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Your conspiracy theories are stupid. Even though you know it wasnt a single decision you keep bringing up the same dumb argument over and over again. What about zaupers friends in CR? What about munks friends in CR and the dislike for BB? What about Bishop that doesnt give a ****?

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Originally Posted by Korp

Your conspiracy theories are stupid. Even though you know it wasnt a single decision you keep bringing up the same dumb argument over and over again. What about zaupers friends in CR? What about munks friends in CR and the dislike for BB? What about Bishop that doesnt give a ****?

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The ToS was only updated after I confronted Hawk in #tactics about the fact he knew the whole time as he had played in CD.

And they're only conspiracies because there is a coverup. In actuality, these are truths.

in the province scenario.... does the provinces land still count toward kingdom totals or say honor...

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Originally Posted by JeffT

If your kingdom is actioned, your kingdom will not chart.
If your province is actioned, your province will not chart (but your kingdom will).

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So in the case of someone using multis to get wars typically the war records were taken away and the province in the kingdom was deleted. No other provinces in that kingdom were actioned themselves.

Does this mean that they wouldn't be eligible for ww chart or for all charts?

Also, does the land/nw/honor on actioned provinces not eligible for charts count towards the kingdom goals? Like, if I have a 10k acre prov that was actioned and I'm 9k acres ahead of the competition my kingdom would come in second place?

I just want to know these details so I can vet players more stringently for my honorable and fair playing kingdom.

what about the whole names getting changed bit? Is that a chart erasing offense?

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Originally Posted by sexual harassment panda

So, given that this chart rule is rather new with the new ownership, I'm wondering in what instances of dev action it applies. Fake war is obviously one of many ways you can get actioned. I have just a few examples:

1) I get actioned for swearing at someone in game because they piss me off. I am suspended for 24-48 hours or whatever it is.

2a) Someone in my kingdom has multis unbenounced to me. Not like this has ever happened to me before because everyone I associate with us 100% honest and clean, but there's a chance that a scumbag can get through.

2b) Does it depend on how they use the multis? IE as their own personal intel/resource farm vs. baiting someone into warring.

3) A couple in my kingdom is actioned for multi'ing because they used each other's phones/computers at some point. I want to say this happened to Jesters or some other ghetto a few ages back and caused a mini-****storm.

4) Someone xlogs their friend for a hit/aid as they've maxed all their sitting for the month.

I'm sure there's other scenarios, but we have some gray area with what level of dev action could constitute removal from the charts unless the answer to all of these scenarios is yes. In the future will the chart removal be announced at the time of punishment or will ppl have to wait until EOA again? I don't condone cheating at all, but things happen with 25 ppl that isn't endorsed by a kingdom's ls. Or is there going to be a case by case thing of whether or not the person who committed these acts is ls? If so then what constitutes ls? Just steward and monarch?

And will fake wars be continued on a case by case basis? Because there were a couple gray wars according to the community last age that weren't actioned. There's also famous past instances where 2 kingdoms are warring but one of the warring parties is hitting out at 3rd kingdom while the other kingdom in war farms. Will devs have a different stance on that war than previous administrations?

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There is only 1 chart rule: jefft gets to pick the winners at the end of the age XD.

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Originally Posted by Vasp

There is only 1 chart rule: jefft gets to pick the winners at the end of the age XD.

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If you believe that, then quit.

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Originally Posted by Sheister

If you believe that, then quit.

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Its not a matter of believing... its a fact. Look what happened this age! And as to why i dont quit... I dont need jefft to name me winner or loser, i can see that for myself in the charts. The spartans won, clear as day. I know they won and they feel like winners. They dont need an admin to post a thread in the forums to make them feel like winners. Thats just desperate and sad. XD

The admins can try all they can, but they are not taking this from spartans.

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Originally Posted by Vasp

Its not a matter of believing... its a fact. Look what happened this age! And as to why i dont quit... I dont need jefft to name me winner or loser, i can see that for myself in the charts. The spartans won, clear as day. I know they won and they feel like winners. They dont need an admin to post a thread in the forums to make them feel like winners. Thats just desperate and sad. XD

The admins can try all they can, but they are not taking this from spartans.

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Just dont cheat, if you have to cheat to achieve something you are worth zeor.

It figures somebody wants to define justice. I'm not faulting it, but I'm not even in the mindset of thinking up the question.

Smokey might not have been over the line, and we're not sure if Walter was sure..or just acting out of pure aggression. Walter had the 45. And the lesson? When I bowl I'm well off the line because it's a distraction and advantage I don't need.

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Originally Posted by Korp

Just dont cheat, if you have to cheat to achieve something you are worth zeor.

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I agree, deleting the competition to name their friends the winners is definetly a big NO NO.

Knock it off vasp.

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Originally Posted by Vasp

Its not a matter of believing... its a fact. Look what happened this age! And as to why i dont quit... I dont need jefft to name me winner or loser, i can see that for myself in the charts. The spartans won, clear as day. I know they won and they feel like winners. They dont need an admin to post a thread in the forums to make them feel like winners. Thats just desperate and sad. XD

The admins can try all they can, but they are not taking this from spartans.

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So crown yourself winner now and quit.

Y'all salty AF - just win this new age without cheating, k? Cool

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Originally Posted by Sheister

So crown yourself winner now and quit.

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Dont let the spaniard get to you...totally aint worth it bro

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Originally Posted by Bishop

Knock it off vasp.

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Why? You guys perverted the game I enjoy playing. If you dont like my comments, dont be shady and stop deleting the competition so your friends win. Its just pathetic and sad.

Stop cheating

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Originally Posted by Palem

Stop cheating

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I dont recall anyone cheating. We warred bart for a second time and lost. I was the steward and we gave it our best. We were just in bad shape and had many inactives due to vacations. People called it a fake war but it wasnt. Of course, u needed to justify ur lame decision of "crowning" ur friends one way or another. Now THAT is cheating (and very pathetic/desperate to be honest). Thats on ur conscious, not mine.

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Originally Posted by Korp

Your conspiracy theories are stupid. Even though you know it wasnt a single decision you keep bringing up the same dumb argument over and over again. What about zaupers friends in CR? What about munks friends in CR and the dislike for BB? What about Bishop that doesnt give a ****?

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He's just hating on BB lulz.

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Originally Posted by Vasp

I dont recall anyone cheating. We warred bart for a second time and lost. I was the steward and we gave it our best. We were just in bad shape and had many inactives due to vacations. People called it a fake war but it wasnt. Of course, u needed to justify ur lame decision of "crowning" ur friends one way or another. Now THAT is cheating (and very pathetic/desperate to be honest). Thats on ur conscious, not mine.

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So inactive that you sent out armies on a suicide mission, in such a bad shape that you only had 50% more military than bart? Lmao.
I think Jeff or David even wrote in another thread that Bart emailed support and admitted to having done a FW, so why keep defending a lie?

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Originally Posted by JeffT

This feels like a good time to point out that Bart has emailed support admitting to FWing again as recently as 48 hours prior to age end (when 1:19 was forced OOW for fake warring).

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Post #313 from "Congratulations to the Age 72 winners".

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Originally Posted by protector

So inactive that you sent out armies on a suicide mission, in such a bad shape that you only had 50% more military than bart? Lmao.
I think Jeff or David even wrote in another thread that Bart emailed support and admitted to having done a FW, so why keep defending a lie?

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At the end of the day it was about our intention. I dont care what bart said or didnt say, I was in the kingdom that lost the war against bart. We had the intention to war bart in a competitive way like we did during our first war (that we won). But we had low level of activity during that war due to vacations and the drama with the dbing. The attackers suicided, every attacker suicides in a way. It wasnt a fake war despite what people believed. Anyways, I wont convince anyone that already is convinced, but my concious is clean. Not sure about the mods and their cheating behavior at the end of the age though.

Vasp, just dont cheat? Dont help cheaters?

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Originally Posted by Vasp

At the end of the day it was about our intention. I dont care what bart said or didnt say, I was in the kingdom that lost the war against bart. We had the intention to war bart in a competitive way like we did during our first war (that we won). But we had low level of activity during that war due to vacations and the drama with the dbing. The attackers suicided, every attacker suicides in a way. It wasnt a fake war despite what people believed. Anyways, I wont convince anyone that already is convinced, but my concious is clean. Not sure about the mods and their cheating behavior at the end of the age though.

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Bart threw you under the bus. He reported it as fake war. You may not have had knowledge of what went on in leadership, but apparently something did.
I don't agree with how actions were taken, but while you personally may not have knowingly cheated, your kingdom did.