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In a noobish kingdom of 20 players. Recently joined it, they didnt manage 1 war this age...
I'm an Orc Warrior
I was thinking as a general oow build when attacking for land and growing:
3 elites to 1 defensive spec
1 raw TPA
No WPA
20% Homes
10% Farms
40% Banks
15% Hospitals
13% Stables
2% Dungeons
I know it could be better so any suggestions welcome :-)
Do I really need wizards? The self spells seem quite rubbish and I obviously wont be using offensive mage spells.
I would aim closer to 1:1 dspec/elite, unless you are deliberately running a suicide attacker. With science and horses, that should give you 2:1 off/def. And I would run enough Barracks for 12hr attack times if you are planning to grow by attacking.
The self spells are actually quite nice. They can save you time and space. Plus, if you ever end up in a hostile situation you are going to want wizards and thieves to protect you from lowly T/Ms. Thieves are also useful for stealing, which can speed your growth.
Did you just start? How fast do you want to grow and how big. IMO utilize your personality and add in TGs and rax.
started about a week and half ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by umajon911
No particular aim for size. Just seeing as it goes.
if youre just training up, thats an OK build, it would work better if you switched the homes and banks percentage... having homes lets you keep better BE while you draft deeper, and having reasonable BE should allow you to run much lower % of banks to reach their max effect (the majority (~2/3) income increase effect, which is what you generally are getting use out of with banks, can be gotten with about 20% acres when you are on 100% BE).
The more peons you have working, the better the value of your banks. So, as you draft deeper, banks have less and less value, and homes more and more; as far as GC generation goes. At the same time, as zulu says, you can likely even drop the banks entirely, make the homes/banks split into 20% TGs with 40% homes instead, and use the extra offence to stretch more value out of plunders. this way when you do get a war one day, you have less acres you need to convert from econ in to war mode, only 40% instead of the 60% with your current setup.
you dont NEED wizards, but they would help protect you from enemy spells as well(a good caster, not really) ... I would personally keep a minimum of somewhere between 0.5-1 per acre on most any province I ran
An old orc wisdom says: if you can't x4 yourself you are doing something wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niko
That does sound like something an Orc would say. :3Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo To
Then again, I'm more Mork than Gork.
So 1:1 or 4:1??Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo To
As it's a noob kingdom maybe somewhere inbetween?
So regarding homes or banks, we're saying 40% homes and 20% banks or no banks...
Oh and what type of raw TPA should i be keeping? Is 1 enough or should i aim for 2?
With my setup as Orc/Ud I achieve 44 DPA (w/ armies out) and 177 OPA (i.e. 4x) at a ratio of 1:2 (dspec:elite)
and 67 DPA (w/ armies out) and 134 OPA (i.e. 2x) at a ratio of 1:1 (dspec:elite).
I run 1:1 (dspec:elite) OOW because I'm in a ghetto where I exclusively attack to grow and I tend to get farmed at 1:2 (dspec:elite). At 1:1, I rarely suffer more than an Ambush while bottomfeeding.
e: including 3 raw tpa, which I find comfortable for stealing
I think Niko summed it up. The only thing I would add is since you play in low organized KD having the max possible offence is not required so you can try playing with off specs(which are more NW efficient).
And you'll want Niko level tpa to gather intel and resist common core sabotage.
Thanks all
The history of my utopian life has been:
1. We go UF with bigger kingdom and get ops.
2. Ops force me to retaliate a kingdom I've otherwise no feelings toward.
3. Enemy kingdom goes UF with us and there's no ops from us.
4. ^ Emeny kingdom went UF vs me so I op and sabotage counter attack.
5. Enemy attacker gets poor results oping me so recruits an elf.
6. Enemy attacker gets poor results sabotaging me so recruits a halfer.
7. Suddenly I'm a bigger enemy focus than our province that caused UF.
8. My province gets razed and massacred.
9. My kingdom mates sneak away with acres and honor, lol.
So I'm use to being the turd target, regardless of race or personality. But knowing these things make for knowing what's effective in most situations. Yes, about 1000 times.
I would have more homes and less banks.
More homes means more population.
More homes means less of everything else (hence less jobs).
More homes means faster drafting (when you destroy the homes, your population will shrink, bumping up the %)
More homes means faster birth rates.
5-6 peasants per acre
5-6 dspecs per acre
3 thieves per acre
1 wiz per acre
the rest goes to offense
Don't all of my people need homes? Or where will they live??? Seems a bit insensitive to me to have so many homeless people. A few I can understand??
when you need GC to train etc, sure those peons need homes. but once war comes they can gtfo! raze the homes into hosps,rax,tg,stable, etc... reduce ur wages to 50% and make friends with someone who will feed you wages when you armies are coming home...
razing too much homes can put you into overpop and stop you from attacking. to avoid this (assuming you wanted to attack same tick) the most you can raze is 37.5% homes without going over 115% overpopulated(the point where ur army refuse to march, and begin to desert)... generally you would do this 12h(or whatever ur build time is) before war, and you would have that much time for peons to leave and drop your pop back under 115%
Homes are essential if you're growing but as soon as war becomes eminent, you should reduce or eliminate homes, convert into barracks, training grounds, guard stations... whatever suits.
When you get the empty acres from attacking, I build some homes and guard stations so that people have a harder time taking you down (homes help against overpopulation, guard stations reduce the damage you take).
Another thing you can do if you are certain a war is coming and you will be chained among the first(you are orc after all) is to rebuild the homes into homes(the homes should be ready like 1-2 ticks after the start of the war). The idea of this is to reduce your peasant pop but keep high be for the beginning and high max pop once you are chained. The enemy can see only already built acres.
How do offspecs fit into the strategy? Do you train them for OOP then slowly convert them to elites through attrition?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niko
pretty much