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Mourhelm
Firstly, I asked for an example of suicide bombing, not suicide attacks.
The attack on the Tsar was a suicide bombing.
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Secondly, the target has everything to do with it. If you attack the military you might save the lives of your fellow countrymen. The motivation for the sacrifice you make is to help save other lives.
Bombing a military installation makes much more sense and is much more acceptable.
I was merely dictating the terms of the argument. You wanted examples, I provided.
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I agree it doesn't guarantee you value life more than death. But if you have no option other than suicide, and you present your motivation for the suicide bombing is to save lives, I'll believe you value life more than death. Of course you also need to stop hiding within civilian population and use them as human shields.
In their eyes, this is a war. Their only means of protection, since they don't have patriot missiles to save them from the F-16s, is to hide inside the civilian population. It's guerilla warfare. They fight, the people protect them. To the palestinians, they are freedom fighters.
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I think it does matter because it is much harder to negotiate peace with someone that only cares about your death and doesn't care about its people's lives.
I thought you were referring to the actual suicide bombers. Not the leaders.
Snugglesoft and the rest:
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The VAST majority of suicide bombings is done by muslim nations. Even if we include individual exceptions. Can we agree on that at least?
Yes, we can.
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They think its a quick way to go to heaven, even though no mention of the virgins given afterward are claimed in the Quran.
When you have ignorance and poverty on that level, muslims are going to cling to their bombs and their religion, (ha ha....).
If I were an impoverished idiot I would want to go to some perfect afterlife as fast as I could.
That, I'm afraid, is the effect of the brainwashing they receive. They don't know any better, cause they haven't been taught any better.
See, this is like the dark ages for Islam. There's very little education. Very little knowledge about what their religion really is. In the middle ages, it consisted of civilized countries that valued education, knowledge, science and arts. Of course, in every religion there are extremists. And they would've never had this much power had it not been for the West's foolishness. Even liberal Muslims are starting to doubt the West's sincerity now. Why? Because the West has given the extremists a cause.
See, they think this is all a conspiracy by the Christian and Jewish worlds, who don't want the Muslims to prosper as they once had. Before the British took over India, the divide between Muslims and Hindus wasn't as glaring. Blinded by their Imperialist hatred, the Brits divided the Indian subcontinent. They created Israel. They created conflict zones, where a normal childhood, normal education was not possible. They created a breeding ground for terrorists. Then they supported Israel with whatever they got. The extremists rejoiced.
When the impoverished kids, living in the middle of a war zone, grew up watching people starve and die everyday, what did they hear? "Oh, this is a tactic to keep us under their feet. Their fancy speeches are lies [bigshot political leaders in the middle eastern neighbourhood routinely turning up dead, didn't help Mossad and CIAs popularity, even if in certain cases, evidence pointed elsewhere]. They want to take revenge for losing the crusade." When George Bush, the idiot of the century, actually mentioned the word crusade, all hell broke loose in the Muslim conscious. Every action you have taken, every step you think you've moved forward, you've taken things from bad to worse. Every bomb dropped in Gaza, every missile attack into Pakistan, feeds those flames. You gave the extremists the background, the cause and the direction to point fingers. And things are all f'cked up now.
If things had not headed this way, we might have had more peaceful, liberal muslim countries, like Algeria, Tunisia, Turkey, Morocco, Bangladesh. But that future is screwed. I don't know how this mess can be solved. But bombing Gaza sure as hell ain't helping.