I Want A Tank

So, I was thinking of moving to the USA because it is the country where everything is possible and my rights would be respected. To my great consternation someone told me that it is illegal to own a fully armed tank. I wonder, how can someone ever be safe on the streets in the US without owning a tank? What if someone steals a tank and attacks your home, how are you going to defend yourself? I believe that if the people in Orlando had all had their own tank, none would've died out there.

I sincerely hope that the american political system sees that the second amendment is outdated and based mostly on 18th-century style weaponry. To be able to fully protect yourself, tanks, howitzers and landmines should be allowed!

http://www.armyjeeps.net/M18hellcat/EXT02.jpg

This one, give it to me!

https://media.giphy.com/media/JGXVuBalR39u0/giphy.gif

All I really want .-.

lol

Bombs/Explosives are illegal in the united states. Really a tank is not more dangers than a cement truck. Probably less dangerous than a back hoe. European countries allow cement trucks. Treads are not road legal in the US. so you could own the tank but not drive, load, or shoot with it.

Would be more fun to get an ATV. If you like the look of a tank you can do that with fiberglass shell over an ATV (or farm tractor). Then you can have fun without tanks cost.

A tank is a sitting duck in Urban Warfare.

I'm pretty sure its fine to shoot if you use non-explosive shells? I'm having trouble finding anything that suggests you can't anyway. Destructive devices are fine with a Class III license, which isn't particularly difficult to get. There's a grenade launcher on there with a folding stock too but if you wanted explosive rounds instead of laughing gas, you would have to order via the other-net.

Anti-Tank Gun

So retarded that you can't even use explosive rounds. I definitely wouldn't feel safe then, especially with an ever-encroaching liberal government. Next thing I know I gotta get insurances.

The right is self evident.

We may joke about the significance of civil rights, but we can't be sure what threatens. Is it foreign interference in the political system? Domestic lords of greed?

The picture presented to the world is a bunch of rednecks causing all the stir. The fact is the vast majority of the violence in the US is inner city crime exacerbated by urban sprawl. Our problems are much deeper than our guns. We have prison culture run amok, apathetic well-to-dos addicted to meth, land development that abandons communities about every 10-15 years. Our infrastructure is sagging and irreparable on it's grand scale. Flint is but "the famous place" with contaminated water; we have this problem across the entire US. The sprawl pushes basic infrastructure from sparse tax bases incapable and unwilling to educate their own children.

While it may seem I speak from a perspective of white flight, I'm quite the contrary. My community is one of the first suburbs with most houses built in the 50s. Now we have seen 3 communities built beyond our county. The movie theaters/restaurants/fine shopping are gone, the pawn shops are in, homeless addicts are everywhere. There's ebb and flow; last decade we experienced power outages that lasted days and sometimes weeks. When I was younger the longest power outages were about 2 hours. When street lights went out, even at major intersections, there weren't police dispatched to direct traffic. These two things have changed somewhat, but we have to ask how long?

In the big picture we Ohioans are said to have positive things coming our way as a warehouse hub, guaranteeing lots of jobs for unskilled labor. But if you project the insatiable urge to develop new land for shopping malls and fufu housing we experience gridlock which is and will be unsavory to warehousing/trucking costs. The obvious next move is to Indiana which I venture to say will take place in 20 years.

While this regional predicament may seem unrelated to the 2nd amendment I assure you that creating masses of poor, desperate, uneducated civilian in debt can only result in a rise in domestic violence. Be it gun, knife, fist, the law abiding citizen is cornered if not capable of financial ascension to greener pastures.

The rednecks argue from the wrong perspective. Many are conservative and shun unionization, taxation. The problem with condemning them is they are largely law abiding tax paying citizens who are also responsible gun owners. They are correct in that our lawmakers are toothless and in the pocket of industry.

Sensible gun laws in concert with a full stop to new land development would be a start. We have uncounted miles of abandoned strip malls and shopping centers. By reincorporating these plighted areas with equal education, civic services, and commercial investment we could begin to heal. This will never happen at the levels necessary to avoid the slow inevitable collapse of the middle class and culture. We have a phrase for those who venture into the inner city to eek out an existence: urban pioneering.

Ok, so the Framer's gave the 2nd amendment based on the idea that an armed citizenry is less likely to be oppressed by an encroaching government like the then British monarchy we were rebelling against. Musket's or what have you based on the time period were good to go and would serve the intended purpose of protecting the citizenry, because those were going to be the same weapons used against them should the infantile government fail and revert back to something authoritarian. Fast Forward to modern day.. Are you really suggesting that I and the rest of the populace use old style muzzleloaders against SAW's, 240B's, or even M4's? I mean people will use whatever means they can to defend themselves, but its in effect akin to 'bringing a knife to a gunfight'. Just look at Cambodia's black market for guns since they were made illegal in 1999. I wonder how many of them are for anti-gun laws.

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Ok, so the Framer's gave the 2nd amendment based on the idea that an armed citizenry is less likely to be oppressed by an encroaching government like the then British monarchy we were rebelling against. Musket's or what have you based on the time period were good to go and would serve the intended purpose of protecting the citizenry, because those were going to be the same weapons used against them should the infantile government fail and revert back to something authoritarian. Fast Forward to modern day.. Are you really suggesting that I and the rest of the populace use old style muzzleloaders against SAW's, 240B's, or even M4's? I mean people will use whatever means they can to defend themselves, but its in effect akin to 'bringing a knife to a gunfight'. Just look at Cambodia's black market for guns since they were made illegal in 1999. I wonder how many of them are for anti-gun laws.

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Look at Australia's (a far similar country to the US than Cambodia) record of gun violence since the then RIGHT-WING government got rid of all the guns after the 1996 Port Arthur massacre. Zero mass shootings since. Before that, there were 13 mass shootings in the previous 18 years.

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Just look at Cambodia's black market for guns since they were made illegal in 1999. I wonder how many of them are for anti-gun laws.

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"Democracy is so dumb and makes you poor, just look at the Democratic Republic of Congo".

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Originally Posted by JohnnyReid

Look at Australia's (a far similar country to the US than Cambodia) record of gun violence since the then RIGHT-WING government got rid of all the guns after the 1996 Port Arthur massacre. Zero mass shootings since. Before that, there were 13 mass shootings in the previous 18 years.

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The closest country you could compare the US to is Mexico. Both countries colonized around the same time period, displaced indigenous peoples, and rebelled against their ruling empire. Gun control is extremely strict there, one legal gun store in the entire country, and they have nearly twice the gun related homicide rate.

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

"Democracy is so dumb and makes you poor, just look at the Democratic Republic of Congo".

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Socialism is so dumb and makes you poor, just look at Venezuela...

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The closest country you could compare the US to is Mexico. Both countries colonized around the same time period, displaced indigenous peoples, and rebelled against their ruling empire. Gun control is extremely strict there, one legal gun store in the entire country, and they have nearly twice the gun related homicide rate.

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As far as I know, America doesn't have cartels running all over the place, with the police force too scared (rightly so..) to do anything about it.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyReid

As far as I know, America doesn't have cartels running all over the place, with the police force too scared (rightly so..) to do anything about it.

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We would if we had strict gun control. Right now your average American owns a gun so any gang or cartel can't just walk in and take over. Take the guns away they will. Look at California why do you think there is so much crime? Look at Chicago for instance. When guns leave the hands of law abiding citizens it leaves only criminals with them. Hence Mexico being a country run by cartels.

California!? I can conceal and carry here. What are you talking about?

And comparing Mexico to the US is funny. :)
Both so true, and so far-fetched in logic. Still amusing.

I'd just like to point out that Mexican cartels get their guns from the US lol

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Originally Posted by Palem

I'd just like to point out that Mexican cartels get their guns from the US lol

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That and a huge market for their products.

But of course it's just a mexican problem, guess they should be more awesome like those US boys.

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Originally Posted by handofthrawn

Look at California why do you think there is so much crime?

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http://ucrdatatool.gov/Search/Crime/State/RunCrimeStatebyState.cfm

The California stats look about average for the U.S. You always need to look at crime per population. Alaska has fewer violent crimes than California. But moving from California to Alaska increases the odds of becoming a victim. You are safer in California because the crimes happen to someone else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcfYsCnKLq8

3:00 think I can own a tank in some states!

Flamethrower seems nice too :D

Arnold owns a tank be like Arnold.

Arnold is nice. I wonder if I could own a tank with a flamethrower on top?

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...20130907173021

I could hunt down witches :)

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

Arnold is nice. I wonder if I could own a tank with a flamethrower on top?

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...20130907173021

I could hunt down witches :)

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Dont hunt the pretty ones doh, send em to viking castle.

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Originally Posted by TommyB

That and a huge market for their products.

But of course it's just a mexican problem, guess they should be more awesome like those US boys.

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I think the problem is they liked the less expensive but reliable AK. Being a country run by salesmen I'm sure it drove our arms dealers nuts and thus arranged for free samples. " Yknow we can't do this all day! "

Here's a more inert sample of what I was referring to, insofar as urban sprawl. In this case it simply couldn't be supported and it's relative isolation indicates it hasn't been a crime magnet.

http://twistedsifter.com/2014/05/aba...-seph-lawless/

It is not hard to make a flame thrower. I used to work at a gas plant. Sometimes you have to be careful to not make a flame thrower.

Take two gas canisters. first has a regulator and contains a high(er) pressure gas. The second has both liquid and vapor fill valves. Attach the high pressure tank to the vapor side of the fuel tank. Attach an appropriate hose to the liquid valve of the low(er) pressure gas/fuel. Make sure it is the right hoses and nozzle. Some types of hoses dissolve (acetylene hoses dissolve in propane for example). Also make sure none of the gas/fuel can reach a pressure higher than your canister(s). Try propane/diesel. I think the original WWI flame throwers used methane then they switched to nitrogen propellant. Both nitrogen and methane have enough pressure to explode your propane/fuel tank. High pressure gasses are regulated so if you mess with either nitrogen or methane tanks you probably are breaking laws. Hydrogen, carbon monoxide and acetlyene would also do the job and provide many opportunities to kill yourself. If you use propane to propel the diesel you could still get more than 20 psi out of the nozzle. Propane and diesel can be purchased at gas stations. A propane tank with a liquid fill valve is less common but easy to find. You can add nasty stuff to diesel to make it sticky (plastics, rubbers, soaps etc). If incinerating trash is illegal in your neighborhood then burning diesel with trash dissolved in the diesel is just as illegal. If you just want to impress your friends and burn yourself and your property you can do that with pure diesel.

Obviously do not try this. Flame throwers are dangerous in many ways. Especially the ones that work as intended. You can easily blow yourself up even though it would not technically be "building a bomb". Think of severely disfiguring burns. Liquid propane can take your skin off even when it is not lit on fire.

https://youtu.be/g6kfCRGQiDA


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Maybe try this if you are not used to gasses. Burns should be smaller unless the fire spreads:

https://youtu.be/859S3vi7b50

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This video has thermite and flamethrowers:
https://youtu.be/BYgnOc6Cd34

I think you can buy flamethrowers without any license whatsoever since they aren't marketed as weapons. Personal flamethrowers are great for:

• Agricultural controlled burns and ground-clearing
• Clearing brush, snow and ice
• Incinerating weeds and pesky insects
• Pyrotechnic events and movie props

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Originally Posted by handofthrawn

We would if we had strict gun control. Right now your average American owns a gun so any gang or cartel can't just walk in and take over. Take the guns away they will. Look at California why do you think there is so much crime? Look at Chicago for instance. When guns leave the hands of law abiding citizens it leaves only criminals with them. Hence Mexico being a country run by cartels.

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Good post.

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Originally Posted by octobrev

I think you can buy flamethrowers without any license whatsoever since they aren't marketed as weapons. Personal flamethrowers are great for:

• Agricultural controlled burns and ground-clearing
• Clearing brush, snow and ice
• Incinerating weeds and pesky insects
• Pyrotechnic events and movie props

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There is no need for a flame thrower in agriculture or for brush or ice. You can pour diesel and then light it. Both brush and ice would be much better to use a blow torch. A flame thrower would leave hydrocarbons around that can kill some of your plants so it is not really a good idea for weeds.

Insects I am not sure about. I have had insects fly near the flame of a torch while I was using it. They immediately lose their wings. If the nest is near anything you value the torch is better.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/tqIbK7-Rsnc/maxresdefault.jpg

Grumble grumble.

I has an opinion about the tanks.

It is this:

I would like to drive one.

And also to shoot the gun.

It turns out I need 10.

So hereeeee

Weeeeeee

Gooooooo!

And done.

WTH Bishop.
You need to explain, or we will think you are a doppelganger!

ETA: Hmn. :( Uh oh.