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Hillary can still turn this around!
I figured he bought the election ... dodgey count... hmmm
Recounts are expensive and time consuming. See he has to pay for representatives to go over see the recount to insure Hillarys people don't try and rig it. Michigan double and triple checked there findings to make sure they got it right. So there is no way she can win Michigan. Pennsylvania was won by such a large margin that it's impossible to over turn it. So either way Trump will be president. In the end dumb liberals throwing a temper tantrum wasting people's time.
I think this mostly covers it
http://www.economist.com/news/united...rturn-election
It's unlikely that the election results will be overturned, but it's well worth the look. The only way a recount does anything is if there was a significant skew in miscounted ballots - which would imply corruption or bias at some level, but it's not like Mr. Trump could be indignant at the suggestion of electoral fraud, given that he's *still* the one arguing it most loudly. At the end of the day, to the extent that anyone has any legitimate lingering doubts about the integrity of the result, EVERYONE should want a recount. People who don't like the result will want the recount if only as a 'hail mary' attempt at changing it; people who DO like the result should want it even *more* to authenticate the legitimacy of the incoming president's mandate.
Besides, Republicans (and, to the extent of the difference, Trump and his followers) have spent the last 8 years denying the legitimacy of the presidency established by the last two elections. If we're talking about temper tantrums and wasting people's time, the bar has been set *really* low on these things.
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Americans have spoken load and clear with the presidential, Senate and Houses all being dominantly won by Republicans. As a independent until Democrats fix there party I will never vote again for a Democrat. Obama will be the last Democrat I will ever vote for until Democrats completely purge the party of corruption. That means firing everyone that works for the DNC and electing a chairman who will represent all of the party.
no recount in PA (I live here)...Stein missed the deadline which was Monday 11/28 to file her demands...Judges said no bueno. Ooh and for any request for recount to happen in PA the margin MUST be .05 or less difference in numbers...Numbers in PA were .08
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The problem is the average voice in rural stated have more power than an average voice in larger states.
Either fix it by recalculating how many electoral votes each state gets or abolish it all together because both of those options are better than the current system. The state in which you vote in should have no impact in how powerful your vote is
Yea, and originally the candidate who recieved the 2nd most electorial votes was to be the Vice President. Lol.
Actually they tried... It was called the civil war. Electoral college or not.
We still have battleground states that determine who wins.
Personally I think the best reform would be for states to split their electoral votes like a couple states already do.
When the minority of the people get to elect a president over the majority of the people we have problems with the system. The current system allows for someone with less than 22% of the popular vote to win. However unlikely this is to happen it is technically a possibility.
What? The numbers I am seeing is a 3 million claim. You know where this claim stems from? A tweet. No one knows where this guy even got his numbers. Basically, it's not to be believed. Twitter and facebook are not good news sources. Pretty dang silly to think so many voted without detection and it is a claim that has been used over and over again and has shown very little validity.
Accoding to Trump the Mexican people love him...
Many counties and states do not require any form of ID. They just let you vote without any requirements. Secondly it's pretty silly to think illegals wouldn't vote against a man whose whole platform was deporting them and building a wall. So what's more believeable when you know those two facts. Voting or not voting. As for validation from who? Our corrupt government or the corrupt media?
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The ONLY thing voter ID effects is in-person voting. Thats it. There never been much in the way of in-person voter fraud ever. Study after study shows this to be the case.
What voter ID does do is it requires you to purchase a government ID. I thought you republicans were against big brother intrusions?
I was just repeating what our president elect claimed... Lol.
Completely false a government id card is free. Also yes in person is when you use a id card. Why couldn't I just walk in and vote if I was a illegal immigrant? What would stop me? I live a rural area and illegals try and vote every year but you have to show your driver's license plus register ahead of time. So they get turned away every time. But they steal the jobs from locals, working mainly for big corporate farms who are squeezing the little farmers out. Why do you think no president has touched immigration. They would hate for the big corporations to lose their slave labor.
Not really. A study done on this showed a average cost in documentation and time to be about $75-$100 and it costs 10's of millions per state to provide these ID's. 100's of millions nationally. All of this for a scare tactic that has been used and beaten to death over and over again and has never showed much merit.
Umm.. The little farmer is the guy hiring the illegals. Giant corporations just get their cheap labor in different countries. Most illegals work in farming and construction.
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Either way it forces the parties to campaign in areas they normally wouldn't as it puts more in play. You may get more republican votes in the cities but at the same time it puts many more democratic votes in red states in play as well. Many of these red states had 40%+ democrat vote that all went to republicans.
100% of those numbers are made up.
Give Wyoming 1 electoral vote. Give California 65. See, fair. Or just abolish the whole thing and everyone's vote counts as 1 vote. Also fair.
The rest of what you've said I didn't even make a comment about other than abolishing the electoral college being a pipe dream, which I already know.
As someone that didn't get their licence until they were 25, I can assure you state IDs are not free.
You just asked why you couldn't vote as an illegal and then explained how illegals try to vote every year and get turned away lol
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https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2.../cps-2013.html
Also, farmers are not the only ones that hire illegal immigrants...the Turkey plant right across the street from us recently had an ICE raid and had about 50 employees carted away. There was a plant in Illinois that got in trouble for the same thing...
That's about the only fact you've gotten right.
You need to register. And registration requires citizenship. As a non-US citizen, I can't just walk into a government office in the US and get myself on the voters list. Doesn't work that way. In order for me to vote in an election, I'd actually need to impersonate a specific registered voter. Odds are decent that the individual I'm impersonating either will have voted already, or will show up afterwards. Either way, that creates an irregularity that would get noticed. If any substantial number of people were engaging in such impersonations, the *majority* of them would appear to have 'voted twice', and that would create a visible trend of irregularities.
It doesn't happen. There might be a handful of such fraudulent votes in any given election, but there's no evidence to suggest any widespread fraud - and if there were widespread fraud of such a nature, there *would* be evidence of it.
BTW, said this on page 1
I live in PA, 2/3 of PA used PAPER ballots because they did not trust the system. The ballots were hand counted AND machine counted on an independent system for each Borough or District. A PA recount request needed to be filed by 11/28 which was not done. Because of the late filing, she was required to pay a late filing fee, which she has not done.
To push an automatic recount, the difference needed to be .5 and the difference was .8. There is no way that a recount is going to happen in PA, no matter how hard she tries to push. This is just another way for her to grab some money for the flailing Green Party and their egomaniac ways.
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So let me ask a question of the Democrats in the room. If illegal immigrants are not A. Working B. On welfare C. Going to school for free. What are the 12 million illegal immigrants doing here? I can tell you, they are stealing jobs. Yes, they are eating up welfare and yes they get schooling plus medical for free. Also yes they are voting in some states like California that have extremely slack rules when it comes to voting. But hey the rich get cheap labor, while us working whites and blacks get our jobs stolen from us. Hey its cool we have welfare right, oh wait they keep running out of money. But it's ok at least illegal immigrants are taken care of right. ;)
@handofthrawn
Illegal immagrants get free schooling and medical? What the?
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Exactly what jobs are they "stealing"?
Because if the jobs they are "stealing" are jobs that pay so horribly and require such long working hours that barely any legal US citizen would take them then that's not a job that's stolen from anybody because nobody would take that job.
And is there any actual evidence that there has been any sort of statistically relevant vote-rigging anywhere? Credible sources please, ie independent peer reviewed papers or respected media outlets! ie not the sort of bull**** you can find off of breitbart or RT!
Yes illegal immigrants get free public school up to college. They are also not banned from scholarships or state/federal aid. Medical is free because in America no one is turned away that need medical care. Yes illegals are sent a bill but 95% of the time they give fake names and such. So hospitals end up billing the government and adding extra charges to all paying patients to make up for the free care.
Yes if you listen to elites and city people no one wants farming jobs. Farming communities have been hit hard by the influx of illegal immigrants. I am sure though msnbc or CNN will say differently. Also don't forget construction, plumbing and yard work. Yes your right they are low paying professions thanks to illegals driving down the wages. It's like if they let any doctors practice in America. It would drive medical costs into the ground. You would have a doctor on every corner.