Title says it all. This game is never ending bottom feed wave and forced cf. Whoever though ops affecting hostile meter was a good idea should dig themselves a hole and die in it.
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Title says it all. This game is never ending bottom feed wave and forced cf. Whoever though ops affecting hostile meter was a good idea should dig themselves a hole and die in it.
Yeah it's bad unless you are at the top. There is now zero reason for a bigger KD to not hit down for free land.Quote:
Originally Posted by mordon44
could be more diplomatic, but agree with the changes beeing bad.
Gotta just stay small and war other small people.Quote:
Originally Posted by mordon44
Funnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Have to agree. I thought the whole point of the changes was to stop both a) smaller kds to refuse to cf and just sit back and op and slow down the aggressor kd for weeks even after the aggressor cant get any gains from them or b) bigger kds to keep hitting and bullying smaller kds for weeks.
With the forced CFs available for either kds the whole meter points from ops is pointless. A smaller kd being waved can force a 72h cf after 3 hours and an aggressor kd after 24h of no hits, effectively stopping any kd to drag out the conflict into absurdum.
So why then is meter points for ops needed?
The only flaw in your logic is that the aggressor kd won't have the option to CF unless the defender kd pushes the meter up, which they usually won't do? Unless I'm misunderstanding something hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Shai
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Originally Posted by luke3
- "An aggressor Kingdom can enter into a 72 hour unbreakable Cease-Fire with a defending Kingdom if the aggressor has not made military attacks for at least 24 ticks"
I interpret that as if you wave someone to hostile and they only retal to unfriendly or only do some ops to not give relations at all, you can enter a 72h cf if you hold attacks for 24h? I mean since either kd can declare if both are hostile it seems very dumb if both need to be hostile for the aggressor to be able to force cf
If you think of it that way:
If a defending KDs retals an aggressive KDs...the aggressive KD can just wave again before auto CFing (that is if people wanted to be dicks).
It would put pressure on the defending KD monarch to auto CF every incoming wave.
Totally agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by mordon44
Try to win then. You play. To win. The game.
Having a game with only one or two people trying to win it is silly. Incentives for being on top are inherently good.
Alternative option to CF. Declare up and win
as if that was possible, people simply hit down 20% rather than go for someone in range. Most of the time the agressor in such a conflict don't even commit to trying to get a war since all they are after are a few free acres or books.
If you wave 20% smaller then you should not be entitled to a free cf and protection from ops.
because the whole system can be tweaked and the current place is a good starting point. lets say it goes to 24 and 72 before auto cf? then ops might even need to move the meter more than they do right now. Alternatively if it were to go to 3 and 12 for a 24 hour cf, maybe we move it down so that ops almost do nothing to the meter, and if u get pissed as the aggressor u should rewave. I repeat as far as i can tell the point was to move to a system that could be balanced going onwards and this age hasnt been THAT bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shai
I'd point out that
my kd is in the bottom half of kds and we've had zero issues with constant botomfeeding for cfs and when looking around my size i see litteraly 75% of kds in war so i'd guess this system hasnt been that bad for kds who like to war.Quote:
Originally Posted by mordon44
I agree there, the forced CF system makes it unnecessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shai
https://media.giphy.com/media/z9AUvhAEiXOqA/giphy.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Persain
Yea everyone is at war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Persain
1 fix to relation system (before i make an official suggestion):
Remove the 3 day-wait after OFFENSIVE attacks for the defending KD...
The main reason for this would be to give defending KD a minor benefit in a situation that would be all bad if they just keeled over and took it.
Consider even typical OOW scenarios where 2 different KDs can wave a juicy KD nearly at the same time (cuz every leader always forgets to check a target's SN).
Anyone can just say declare and get big/small...but it doesnt address or give any strategy except cut and run.
Why not keep the "defending KDs to Auto CF after 3 days once an aggressor reaches hostile" BUT REMOVE the other 3-day wait if the defending KD retaliates via military attacks.
This allows ANY defending KD to strategically recouperate land from a big 12-18 wave and may also serve as a deterrent for big KDs to tax smaller KDs for free CFs.
Aggressive KDs would have to reconsider the easier target and would fair best choosing a target more likely to war (stronger KD) or to broker an agreement to propose war.
If you run likely scenarios...aggressor KDs would be forced to do FULL WAVES (15-20 hits) if they wanted an element of surprise...but the defending KD would only have 3 hours...have 12 hits and NO T/M OPS before they lose their free Auto-CF (if they did any more than that...they would give up button & be screwed)
Doing that would subside ghetto revolts against new relation system by giving defending KDs a small advantage in a situation that would be a 100% loss.
Per usual your scope of thought is narrow. Some play for size, others for honor or WW’s and still others just to goof around and have fun. This game has no win condition beyond the goals one sets for them self. However sense you play for land you see that as the goal everyone should share and support a change that stagnates the rest of the game while rewarding the few who share your sentiments.Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
Game's going down the crapper because the devs only listen to a small number of voices on changes. The game needs to evolve so it's for the many and not the few!
Or it could be that there are a small number that disagree with the changes, but because you're one of them you think that there are more of you than there really is.Quote:
Originally Posted by thejudge
The current devs haven't hit home runs with every change. They've made some big mistakes, and even had to backpedal some changes. But this team is *light years* ahead of the last team. The game as it is has some real flaws, but it's at least 3 times more fun than it was before they bought it when the prior devs just mailed it in age after age.
I call bs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caelum
Well its not hard to be "lightyears" ahead of the previous owners cause they just kept the game alive :P But I doubt many would agree the game is 3 times more fun now days than previously.
That's true. I think this game used to be a lot more fun. Though I'd mainly chalk that up to the shrinking player base, not really mechanics or balance changes. If you put the previous owners in charge now I think the decline would be steeper. These guys at least seem like they are trying, even if we disagree with their decisions a lot of times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Yea or at least thats the case for me the larger playerbase than anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by luke3
Is Caelum David C's mommy? What a little pet. The majority of the existing player case are against the game's move to a PC friendly environment so stop being a liberal snowflake and get with the game.
Lol wtf you talking about?
Since when can you say **** in the forum?