Dwarf or Orc

I am trying to figure out if a dwarf/merch is a better A/T then an orc/merch.

My thoughts are that even though dwarf elites are more expensive, the cost saved by building buildings for free would take care of it, and the thief penalty can be negated with 25 science points per acre

If the only thing that is keeping orcs afloat as a choice, being the plague, then the problem occurs when, if races and personalities are spread out evenly, only ~73% are not immune to the plague and in the thread " What are the chances of causing plague?" VT2 stated that there is only a 25% chance that it can be spread, so assuming that targets are randomly hit, 73% * 25% is ~18% of spreading the plague when attacking and assuming that a war is 3 days long and you make 2 attacks per day chances are only one attack is going to spread the plague.

I have the following questions:

1) is it worth it to get the orc for the plague? Are there more ways to spread it? If there are other ways of spreading it what are the chances of spreading it that way?

2) What are other points for choosing the dwarf over the orc? or the orc over the dwarf? My thoughts are still going toward the merch personality, so the personality isn't in question here.

Thanks for your input

For Pure Attacker, definitely Dwarf.

Wouldnt bother with Merchant though.

BE Bonus works on TG/Rax/Forts/Hosps/WT really well. DW will want some guilds to keep up animate dead (free draft) and Fog, so they will have a good defensive WPA too.

Has *some* turtling ability, unlike Orc which has almost static defence. Also harder to ambush, which is a big bonus if your not going Warrior.

Plague can easily be cured before you can attack again. Its only good with a few orcs doing it together really.

Dwarf > Orc this age.

With orc you have no choice but to go warrior because they get ambushed way too much.

With dwarf you can go merchant or warrior. Some people go sage or Shepard but I like merchant or warrior better.

People go A/M with Dwarf but Dwarf also makes a great pure attacker. Just make sure you have a 2 WPA and 2 TPA raw.

Agree with Ishandra. Key word he/she said, PURE ATTACKER... not A/T... if you want to be an A/T, go Human. Human/Merchant and even Hu/Warrior can make nice heavy hitting A/Ts. Rogue too if you really will be active and love Ting.

Plague is not worth going Orc. Dwarves are very nice. You want guilds (BE effects them too) to protect your Fog. That's the main reason you see Dwarves going Mystic and being A/Ms...but that works best as a KD strat imo with many dwarves doing that.

Dwarves = Warrior or Merchant imo.

Dwarves -30% Thievery penalty is not as easy as you think to make up. You NEED WTs. NEED THEM. No ifs ands buts about that. Early on especially. There will be MANY A/Ts this age, Dwarves will be targets early on. Dwarves BE will make WTs nice... but you dont want to waste land on TDs AND WTs which you would be trying to be an A/T ---

i would pick dwarf over orc
and either go warrior, merch or sage, depending on what kd was likely to be doing

Im running dwarf warrior for heavy attacker this age

Dwarf over Orc - the theivery penalty is tough but I think the + 40% science is a real ouch factor for Orcs

since Omac failed to put any changes on the game ORC is the best attacker we have, but i would suggest warrior so you receive less ambushes

Since Graf decided he didn't want to read any announcements before posting and looking like an idiot, I suggest everyone ignores him.

To OP: Dwarf A/T isnt going to work. Go Human, DE, or Gnome if you want A/T. Dwarf can make a mediocre A/M or a good pure attacker, and will beat out Orc in every way this age.

plague is nice if used right, dwarf a/t isnt a good idea due to the thievery penalty.

go dwarf/artisan or shephard

the rest make dwarf suck.

u can get a merchant personality with banks ;)

You'll get attacked as well, so thats another 18% plague. But it only works if there are more orcs and people attack close in time to each other and the orcs being the first.

i think you should go human.. its quite easy and makes good a/ts for everyone.. as long as you dont go dwarf a/t im happy though =)

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Originally Posted by lala

go dwarf/artisan or shephard

the rest make dwarf suck.

u can get a merchant personality with banks ;)

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and yet warrior is also a good choice =)
and sage doesnt really suit ANY race, but its never really a BAD choice

Artisan is the weakest of all personalities, especially for Dwarf since capacity buildings and +30% BE do not stack together. Dwarves run a high amount of percentage based buildings and they won't benefit much from Artisan bonus.

Shepherd is worthless unless you play a Bank in a SKD, which you don't.

I'd go Merchant or Warrior as Dwarf, but for sure not as A/T.
Humans do solid A/T and have low economy problems.