Rate/fix Elf/WH

[Someone]

And people claimed we hijacked threads when discussing with vines... ;)
I would rather see you make an own thread for another prov. Pretty please? Makes everyones life so much easier/tidier aso.

[DetHStorM]

I'm initiating a conversion from pure attacker to A/T strat. Just appointed monarch, so monarch bonus in war will be utillised better if i turn hybrid.
Problem: Should i convert to full leet army? Will bonus pop from homes/sci be enough?

Edit: 53% draft due to land just gained, and currently still rebuilding from war. Will train up to 3-3.5TPA, hopefully enough to NS attackers.

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The Province of
[http://www.utopiatemple.com Angel v1.92 Beta 2]

Server: World of Legends (Age 40)
Utopian Date: July 14th, YR6 (90% in the day)
RL Date: September 25th, 2008 (19:54 GMT)

Ruler Name: The Heroic King Jorundr Crazywulf
Personality & Race: The War Hero, Elf
Land: 1,284 Acres
Money: 395gc (34,106gc daily income)
Food: 91,872 bushels
Runes: 20,564 runes
Population: 33,069 citizens (25.75 per Acre)
Peasants: 13,780 (90% Building Efficiency)
Trade Balance: -342,708gc (0% tax rate)

Military Eff. with Stance: 125.31% off. / 105.43% def.
Soldiers: 820 (53.6% estimated draft rate)
Rangers: 0
Archers: 8,393 (44,243 defense)
Elf Lords: 7,336 (55,158 offense / 38,671 defense)
War-Horses: 4,478 (up to 5,612 additional offense)
Prisoners: 0

Total Modified Offense: 61,797 (48.13 per Acre)
Practical (75% elites): 48,008 (37.39 per Acre)
Total Modified Defense: 83,778 (65.25 per Acre)
Practical (25% elites): 54,775 (42.66 per Acre)

Thieves: 1,160 (0.90 per Acre / 83% Stealth)
Wizards: 1,580 (1.23 per Acre / 39% Mana)

Crystal-Ball on your province will show:
Max. Possible Thieves/Wizards: 4,030 (3.14 / Acre)
Estimated Thieves Number: 1,612 (1.26 per Acre)
Estimated Wizards Number: 604 (0.47 per Acre)

** Networth Table: **
Total Networth: 183,446gc (142.87 per Acre)
Land (90% built): 65,484gc (36%) - [15+40gc]
Elf Lords: 42,182gc (23%) - [5.75gc]
Archers: 41,965gc (23%) - [5gc]
Peasants: 13,780gc (8%) - [1gc]
Wizards: 6,320gc (3%) - [4gc]
Science (estimated): 5,158gc (3%) - [1/92gc]
Thieves: 4,640gc (3%) - [4gc]
War Horses: 2,687gc (1%) - [0.6gc]
Soldiers: 1,230gc (1%) - [1.5gc]


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This is not a build strat I have but what I'm aiming for in war.
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Buildings Report of
Ruler Name: King Jorundr Crazywulf
Personality: The War Hero
Race: Elf
Building Efficiency: 90%
Kingdom Stance: Normal

1. Homes: 128 (10%)
2. Farms: 103 (8%)
3. Banks: 148 (11.5%)
4. Training Grounds: 257 (20%)
5. Barracks: 193 (15%)
6. Guilds: 109 (8.5%)
7. Towers: 103 (8%)
8. Thieves' Dens: 193 (15%)
9. Stables: 50 (3.9%)

Total Land: 1,284 Acres (100% built)

** Effects Summary (Available Buildings Only) **
1. +1,024 maximum population, +24.23% birth rate
2. Produce 6,489 bushels (8,111 with FL)
3. 3,330gc, +11.47% income
4. +21.61% offense bonus
5. -17.24% attack time
6. Training about 1.96 wizards per hour
7. Produce 927 runes per hour
8. -45.98% losses, +34.48% effectiveness
9. Produce 45 horses/hour, hold 3,000 horses


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Will be focusing on thievery sci from now on but I'm not sure if pop sci is enough.
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Science Intelligence on

Server: World of Legends (Age 40)
Books to Allocate: 0 books

** Effects Summary (Known Science Only) **
10.5% Income (72,181 points)
6.9% Building Effectiveness (61,778 points)
4.8% Population Limits (69,511 points)
10.7% Food Production (3,471 points)
1% Gains in Combat (836 points)
18% Thievery Effectiveness (11,570 points)
30.1% Magic Effectiveness & Rune Production (46,509 points)

** Science Points in Progress **
Crime: 5,647 points in progress

[Toadi]

How do you guys plan on being A/T with only 3 TPA? I have 2 TPA as non hybrid attacker ...

[Ishandra]

You need to drop those TG by 7% and get 7% forts instead.

The increased defence means you can send out more elites and you'll actually have a higher Mod Offence.



TG vs Forts


0% of each
10000 offence 2k specs
10000 defence 2k specs

10% TG
11349 offence 2k specs
10000 defence 2k specs

5% TG 5% Forts
10719 offence 2k specs
10719 defence 2k specs

10719 = 2000x x = 5.3595 pts per spec
10000/5.3595 = 1865.8 specs to maintain 10k def

2000-1865.8 = 134 more off specs

10719/2000 x 2134 = 11437.14

Therefore:

11437 offence 2.134k off specs
10000 defence 1.866k def specs

using 5% of each, compared to 11349 using 10% TG.



Thats a basic example, replace Off specs/Def specs with Elites out/at home if you want, it works out almost the same. You might even be better off with more % forts than TG with your army. Plus you'll have higher Def when your not sending out, as opposed to having wasted offence when your not sending it.

[Dolgil]

Don't need 15% rax to attack twice per day in war. 6% with QF would do.

[DetHStorM]

You need to drop those TG by 7% and get 7% forts instead.

The increased defence means you can send out more elites and you'll actually have a higher Mod Offence.


Thats a basic example, replace Off specs/Def specs with Elites out/at home if you want, it works out almost the same. You might even be better off with more % forts than TG with your army. Plus you'll have higher Def when your not sending out, as opposed to having wasted offence when your not sending it.

I see the point in building forts, but I reckon +10% defense monarch bonus in war is going to cover for that, or not?

In war there's always some unbuilt land and i will always have less than 7% you suggested. I thought just focusing on TGs would mean i need to send less required number of elites, hence leaving more defenses of home. It works even more so for elf 6/5 elites.


@Toadi: 3TPA + some good thievery science and TDs, should allow for 5mod TPA at least which should be enough.



@Dolgil: Aye, I think i'll reduce raxes to 11-12%. Still have to account for unbuilt land.

[Ishandra]

The increase from say 11% TG up to 18% TG wont save you as much defence at home by not sending elites as by having 11% TG and 7% Forts.

Just do the math :) Obviously BE and being unbuilt have impacts, but they'll affect your TG just as much as your Forts.

And monarch bonus shouldnt even come into it, its just that, a bonus. The more forts you have the more defence is increased by the monarch bonus anyways ;)