Gnome/Artisan Build

[chedrah]

I've done some math. Let me know if there is anything wrong with it:

Build 1 - 30% Homes & 63% Draft Rate
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Building - Acres
Homes - 300 (+3450 pop (300*8*1,15*1,25)
Farms - 50
TGs - 250 (+28.57% off @ 101,6% BE)
Forts - 100 (+13.72% def @ 101,6% BE)
Guilds - 100
TDs - 200
Stables - 0
Total - 1000

Raw Max Pop: 28750 (25*1000*1,15)
Peas. Needed: 11725 (25*1000*0,7*0,67)
Mod. Max Pop: 32200 (28750+3450)
Draft: 0,63
Peasants: 11914 (32200*(1-0,63))
BE: 1,016 (11914/11725)
Wizards: 1500 (1.5 wpa)
Thieves: 2500 (2.5 tpa)
Total Military: 16286
Off Specs: 8143 (0,5*16286)
Def Specs: 4886 (0,3*16286)
Elites: 3257 (0,2*16286)
Total Off: 57001
Total Mod. Off: 73286 (73 opa)
TMO No Elites: 52347 (52 opa)
Total Def: 40715
Total Mod. Def: 46301 (46 dpa)
TMD Elites Out: 27781 (28 dpa)


Build 2 - 20% Homes + 10% Stables & 63% Draft Rate
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Building - Acres
Homes - 200 (+2300 pop (200*8*1,15*1,25)
Farms - 50
TGs - 250 (+24.1% off @ 85,7% BE)
Forts - 100 (+11.57% def @ 85,7% BE)
Guilds - 100
TDs - 200
Stables - 100
Total - 1000

Raw Max Pop: 28750
Peas. Needed: 13400
Mod. Max Pop: 31050
Draft: 0,63
Peasants: 11489
BE: 0,857
Wizards: 1500
Thieves: 2500
Total Military: 15562
Off Specs: 7781
Def Specs: 4668
Elites: 3112
Total Off: 61965
Total Mod. Off: 76899 (77 opa)
TMO No Elites: 57587 (58 opa)
Total Def: 38904
Total Mod. Def: 43405 (43 dpa)
TMD Elites Out: 26043 (26 dpa)

[_greenie]

I've done some math. Let me know if there is anything wrong with it:

well, unlike what i said, you didnt put them into tg's and forts, you put em straight into stables (not to mention the split sucks... 25% and 10% cmon!)

and i seriously doubt that you'll end up with 85% be with that DR and 20% homes...

30% homes @ 63% DR
pop/acre = (.3*33 + .7 *25) *1.15 = 31.5 pop/acre
jobs/acre = 25 * .67 * .7 = 11.725
a 63% DR gives = 31.5 * (1 - 0.63) = 11.655 pez/acre
pretty much 100% BE

20% homes @ 63% DR
pop/acre = (.2*33 + .8 *25) *1.15 = 30.6 pop/acre
jobs/acre = 25 * .67 * .8 = 13.4
a 63% DR = 30.6 * (1 - 0.63) = 11.322

BE calc
0.6 + 0.4 * (11.32/13.4) = 93.5%

and if you had 15% forts and TG's @ 100% BE, thats 19.1% bonus to each
up it to 18% each @ 93.5% BE = 20.69%

thats a 20.69/19.1 = 8% increase to offense and defense, yes you loose some mil/acre, but in the end its about the same off/def with a lower nw ;)

need i say any more? =)

[chedrah]

well, unlike what i said, you didnt put them into tg's and forts, you put em straight into stables (not to mention the split sucks... 25% and 10% cmon!)

and i seriously doubt that you'll end up with 85% be with that DR and 20% homes...

30% homes @ 63% DR
pop/acre = (.3*33 + .7 *25) *1.15 = 31.5 pop/acre
jobs/acre = 25 * .67 * .7 = 11.725
a 63% DR gives = 31.5 * (1 - 0.63) = 11.655 pez/acre
pretty much 100% BE

20% homes @ 63% DR
pop/acre = (.2*33 + .8 *25) *1.15 = 30.6 pop/acre
jobs/acre = 25 * .67 * .8 = 13.4
a 63% DR = 30.6 * (1 - 0.63) = 11.322

BE calc
0.6 + 0.4 * (11.32/13.4) = 93.5%

and if you had 15% forts and TG's @ 100% BE, thats 19.1% bonus to each
up it to 18% each @ 93.5% BE = 20.69%

thats a 20.69/19.1 = 8% increase to offense and defense, yes you loose some mil/acre, but in the end its about the same off/def with a lower nw ;)

need i say any more? =)

Please comment on my newer post (#33) as well greenie (it addresses some of the issues you pointed out). Thanks a bunch!

[chedrah]

The BE should have been 1.00 (read 100%) for the first build.

[chedrah]

Here are two other builds @ 2500 acres each:

Build 3 - 30% Homes & 63% Draft Rate (@100% BE)
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Homes 750 (+8625 pop)
Farms 125
TGs 438 (+21,67% off)
Forts 438 (+21,67% def)
Guilds 250
TDs 500
Stables 0
Total 2500

Raw Max Pop: 71875
Peas. Needed: 29313
Mod. Max Pop: 80500
Draft: 0,63
Peasants: 29785
BE: 1,000 (1,016 actual)
Wizards: 3750
Thieves: 6250
Total Military: 40715
Off Specs: 16286 (40%)
Def Specs: 16286 (40%)
Elites: 8143 (20%)
Total Off: 122145
Total Mod. Off: 148614 (59opa)
TMO No Elites: 99076 (40opa)
Total Def: 122145
Total Mod. Def: 148614 (59dpa)
TMD Elites Out: 99076 (40dpa)


Build 4 - 40% Homes minus 5% TGs, Forts & 70% Draft Rate (@99.6% BE)
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Homes 1000 (+11500 pop)
Farms 125
TGs 313 (+16,36% off)
Forts 313 (+16,36% def)
Guilds 250
TDs 500
Stables 0
Total 2500

Raw Max Pop: 71875
Peas. Needed: 25125
Mod. Max Pop: 83375
Draft: 0,7
Peasants: 25013
BE: 0,996
Wizards: 3750
Thieves: 6250
Total Military: 48363
Off Specs: 19345
Def Specs: 19345
Elites: 9673
Total Off: 145088
Total Mod. Off: 168824 (68opa)
TMO No Elites: 112549 (45opa)
Total Def: 145088
Total Mod. Def: 168824 (68dpa)
TMD Elites Out: 112549 (45dpa)


* Keeping max. BE, it looks like a better idea to run 70% draft w/ 40% homes than 63% draft w/ 30% homes @2500 acres.

In order to see what kind of an impact the increase in acreage has on the effectiveness of homes, I am adding another build that is comparable to Build 4:

Build 5 - Same as Build 4 @1000 acres
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Homes 400 (+4600 pop)
Farms 50
TGs 125 (+16,34% off)
Forts 125 (+16,34% def)
Guilds 100
TDs 200
Stables 0
Total 1000

Raw Max Pop: 28750
Pes. Needed: 10050
Mod. Max Pop: 33350
Draft: 0,7
Peasants: 10005
BE: 0,996
Wizards: 1500
Thieves: 2500
Total Military: 19345
Off Specs: 7738 (40%)
Def Specs: 7738 (40%)
Elites: 3869 (20%)
Total Off: 58035
Total Mod. Off: 67518 (68opa)
TMO No Elites: 45012 (45opa)
Total Def: 58035
Total Mod. Def: 67518 (68dpa)
TMD Elites Out: 45012 (45dpa)


* Conclusion: No impact. Please analyze and leave your comments. Thanks!

[_greenie]

* Keeping max. BE, it looks like a better idea to run 70% draft w/ 40% homes than 63% draft w/ 30% homes @2500 acres.

but who keeps 100% raw BE??? (except vines...)

[chedrah]

but who keeps 100% raw BE??? (except vines...)

OK I'll try some with 85% raw BE ;)

PS: Thanks for the BE formula by the way :)

[VT2]

Your province fails for not having vines' imaginary math.

[chedrah]

I've calculated the opa, dpa, opnw, dpnw values keeping a BE of ~85% and changing the draft rates accordingly. Here's what I have gathered for the 3 builds @1000 acres:

20% Homes + 22.5% Forts & TGs @73% DR & 85.0% BE
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Total Mod. Off: 68448 (68opa)
TMO No Elites: 45632 (46opa)
Total Mod. Def: 68448 (68dpa)
TMD Elites Out: 45632 (46dpa)

Total Military: 18667 (40% off specs, 40% def specs, 20% elites)
Military NW: 86799
Total NW: 166183
opnw: 0,412
dpnw: 0,412


30% Homes + 17.5% Forts & TGs @77% DR & 85.3% BE
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Total Mod. Off: 73904 (74opa)
TMO No Elites: 49269 (49opa)
Total Mod. Def: 73904 (74dpa)
TMD Elites Out: 49269 (49dpa)

Total Military: 20794 (40% off specs, 40% def specs, 20% elites)
Military NW: 96692
Total NW: 175098
opnw: 0,422
dpnw: 0,422


40% Homes + 12.5% Forts & TGs @81% DR & 85.2% BE
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Total Mod. Off: 78692 (79opa)
TMO No Elites: 52462 (52opa)
Total Mod. Def: 78692 (79dpa)
TMD Elites Out: 52462 (52dpa)

Total Military: 23014 (40% off specs, 40% def specs, 20% elites)
Military NW: 107013
Total NW: 184349
opnw: 0,427
dpnw: 0,427


* Conclusion: Having 40% homes makes a slightly better warmonger if the above calculations are correct.

[vines]

I can run my province close to a 90% draft and still keep 100% raw BE, however, I do not do that. I only run around a 71%-75%. The reason I do it is because in the time I took to train 90% of population into military I could have already attacked and gain much land.

[chedrah]

I can run my province close to a 90% draft and still keep 100% raw BE

Could you explain how one can do that? Extremely high pop sci? Dungeons?

[vines]

Could you explain how one can do that? Extremely high pop sci? Dungeons?

Simple with 55% homes one will be able to run 89%-90% military with out RawBE dropping however if one runs that big of a military one need 10% dungeons. The fallowing build is an example of how one would run around a 90% military, still keeping 100% RawBE with wages 200% and still have a little money left over.
55%Homes
10%farms
5%-10%Forts
5%-10%Training Grounds
5%-10%Guilds
5%Towers
5%-10%Dungeons
Chedrah I do not recommend you use this kind of build. It takes a lot of planning, skill, and understand of the game to use a build like this one. Like I told my team mates. It may seems weird how my build is and it shouldn't work but don't worry I know what I'm doing so it will work. Chedrah however if you really want to up your game and take an attempt at flying with the best then I recommend this strategy.

[ChinaIsGay]

Chedrah I do not recommend you use this kind of build. It takes a lot of planning, skill, and understand of the game to use a build like this one. Like I told my team mates. It may seems weird how my build is and it shouldn't work but don't worry I know what I'm doing so it will work. Chedrah however if you really want to up your game and take an attempt at flying with the best then I recommend this strategy.

BAHAHAHAHA! vines you meant to say it takes a lot of luck, i also don't recommend this build to chedrah or anyone for that matter. also you said that it shouldn't work, thats because it doesn't. FLY LIKE VINES! hahahaha.

[ChinaIsGay]

here.

Simple with 55% homes one will be able to run 89%-90% military with out RawBE dropping however if one runs that big of a military one need 10% dungeons. The fallowing build is an example of how one would run around a 90% military, still keeping 100% RawBE with wages 200% and still have a little money left over.

[chedrah]

Simple with 55% homes one will be able to run 89%-90% military with out RawBE dropping however ...

vines, Thank you. I will try a build that incorporates dungeons next age and see if I can fill them up.