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    Help Me With A Elf/Rogue A/T Build

    ok so am noob played couple of ages, i want to try this for next age wol but i want to get a feel of it first so i will test on the new age of genesis

    war build:...

    Homes 10%
    Farms 8%
    Banks 10%
    TGs 15%
    Barracks 10%
    Guilds 12%
    Towers 5%
    TDs 20%
    Stables 10%

    so... any advice?!??!

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    Drop some TGs for forts. 7/8% of each. Convert more def specs into elites/off specs, keeping the same defence. You'll have a higher offence with troops out and higher defence with troops at home.

    Rest looks good but I'd consider dropping some stables maybe for more Rax.

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    thanks, i looked at some other posts of urs... and it seems that u r like really into forts.

    is it worth to drop my tg? i dont think so.. can u explain more? convince me...

    10% stables is enough to mount my troops. i wish i had like 12% tho but 10 will do. rax will stay 10% i can use QF

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    tg > forts for elf with 6/5 army =)
    otherwise, looks pretty solid to me!

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    TG vs Forts


    0% of each
    10000 offence 2k specs
    10000 defence 2k specs

    10% TG
    11349 offence 2k specs
    10000 defence 2k specs

    5% TG 5% Forts
    10719 offence 2k specs
    10719 defence 2k specs

    10719 = 2000x x = 5.3595 pts per spec
    10000/5.3595 = 1865.8 specs to maintain 10k def

    2000-1865.8 = 134 more off specs

    10719/2000 x 2134 = 11437.14

    Therefore:

    11437 offence 2.134k off specs
    10000 defence 1.866k def specs

    using 5% of each, compared to 11349 using 10% TG.




    Obviously your going to be using Def specs and Elites as opposed to all specs so we need to adjust for that.

    TG vs Forts Elf Elites



    0% TG 0% Forts

    60k offence - 10k elites
    50k defence - same elites

    Sending out 30k offence
    5k elites out
    5k elites home
    home - 25k defence



    10% TG (13.46% bonus to off)


    Sending out 34k offence
    5k elites out
    5k elites home
    home - 25k defence


    5% TG 5% Forts (7.1% bonus to each)

    Sending out 32k offence
    5k elites out
    5k elites home
    home - 26.5k defence

    Keeping 25k defence:
    sending out 34.26k offence
    5331 elites out
    4669 elites home
    home - 25k defence




    You can see here your Forts are actually increasing the offence you can send out while maintaining the same defence.


    Also remember you'll have higher defence while elites are at home and those forts will also be helping your def specs, allowing you to run less of those and more off specs should you choose to, as in the other example.

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    in that particular situation yes..
    if youre gonna send out 400k off and leave 100k def a lot forts wont really help you much..
    with the current day trend leaning towards a 2:1 ratio off def youre cant really afford not to take that into your calculations when doing tgs vs forts =)

    (i like forts though ;>)

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    Ishandra I hope you keep those calculations in a text document somewhere, seems you have to post them awfully often to convince people :)

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    I do, thank god.

    In the example I put slightly more offence than defence as generally if everyone is breaking eachother, they will be sending out more than they have defence themselves at home ;)

    You only need offence double your defence if your hitting people with twice as much army as you or who havent sent out. Neither of those happens in war much in my experience, so the example is a fairly normal situation for me :)

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    i realy realy like TGs, but i can do without banks. so i how bout i -10% banks and +10% forts during war....

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    ur TG are already low enough do not drop any

    if u wanna drop anything, drop rax or banks to put in forts instead. if u wanna push for elf a/t u cannot have econ/strength/speed/thief, u have to sacrafise some. the best thing to sacrafise in this case is probably speed, considering u cant really sacrafise anymore strength/thievery, and its better to have banks to retrain thieves instead of keeping 10% more rax (which will drop to something insignificant after 1 day of war anyway)

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    hmm am sure i can do without banks. with like science into income etc

    Homes 10%
    Farms 8%
    TGs 15%
    Barracks 10%
    Forts 10%
    Guilds 12%
    Towers 5%
    TDs 20%
    Stables 10%

    i guess i will settle with this. no?

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    Work out how much Rax you need with quickfeet yo get down to a 12 hour attack time durring war, then add a little more (as you'll never be fully built if your making hits/taking ops) then put the rest into banks ;)

    Personally I'd drop the stables some too but thats preference. If you ever hold back some of your elites, when you dont need them to break someone for example, those extra acres could be doing something more useful.

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    0% rax will get u below 12h with QF if u hit same size target

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    i think all attackers should run hospitals max...reducing losses has to come before attack time and barraks...you re gonna get retaliated that is a given.. so you will have to retrain defence as well.. attackers should run max armouries and then max hospitals before a single barrak is build

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1eye View Post
    i think all attackers should run hospitals max...reducing losses has to come before attack time and barraks...you re gonna get retaliated that is a given.. so you will have to retrain defence as well.. attackers should run max armouries and then max hospitals before a single barrak is build
    Vines 2.0

    Elves get around 20% free hospitals.

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