namely Cold War - Orange Campaign
this is reality, not made up stories of Obama and McCain (in fact Cain, a little man)...
man, i wonder if i'm lucky enough to see these ended!
but i think that i'll die first
for you who fear about what will happen if Obama wins the elections: fear not, he will turn very fast into an "republican", lol
dont you mean a marxist?
so, you think that it wouldn't be too soon for that?
did you watch the video of Yuri Bezmenov? in 1985 Bezmenov speaks of 4 phases to the Soviet Active Measures: The first phase is the Demoralization of the target population, which takes at least 15 to 20 years. He states that the communists will achieve this through using the leftist media outlets so that the population's perception of reality is irreversibly altered to favor Socialist/Communist policies, while traditional patriotism is denigrated. This is exactly where America is today - unfortunately.
The next phase is Destabilization, which he says will take anywhere from 2-5 years. This probably began in 2005, when a few top Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac executives succeeded in preventing crucial GOP regulative legislation from being passed, leading directly to the current economic crisis. BTW its probably no coincidence these same top Fannie Mae execs have become top advisers for Obama. If we mark the beginning of this Destabilization phase as in 2005 then, we may expect the Crisis phase to begin between now and 2010, which could be shortly after the elections are over - even joe Biden warns us of something serious happening very soon in his famous "mark my words" declaration!
The Crisis phase Bezmenov descibes as about 6 weeks in length - It is during this time that I expect some sort of anarchy to take over our country. Perhaps riots or even worse terroistic attacks - maybe even dirty bombs.
He says that the period of "Normalization" will come next, which he says really means military occupation. I can certainly see this as a real possibility. It is also a real possibility that if such a horrible scenario occurs Obama and the total democratic house/congress will repeal the term limitations because only the might Obama can save us .....
So to answer your question - yep i think that Marxism could be just around the corner - I think our country is in serious trouble -
marxism is not realy an issue, try to look behind
there are more important things
pls, do not stop at such provocations cause these are only provocations
and never think that all books and all threads and all opinions worth your attention
we have conflict between populations, conflict between cultures, conflict between civilizations
and we have realy obsessed and dangerous ppl fighting in all these conflicts.
many of them still need justifications for what they are doing
and so you'll hear some day an explanation, another day another explanation...
do not forget that many of them are realy criminals
so is Bush, so is McCain, Obama... don't know... but give him time and him could as well be so
it's a written! rule
put in an closed system 100 competitors to fight
the history goes to the moment we have only few competitors
(extremely: just 2)
when the fight is the number 1 rule they'll never stop till just 1 remains
you'd may say that i exagerate. maybe, but not in this world :))
in this world we still have the fight rule as the main rule
this is the main "creative effort" of our world today
this "creative effort" is the best that many, many ppl can do in their lives
that's our world, that's our order, order over chaos
cause non-combatants are still considered agents of chaos in our world
against this order, civilization... the chaos of the Mighty Universe, the Mighty Nature, the Mighty Creation, the Mighty All and as well the Mighty Nothing.
or, if you want, enthropy :) fights
it fragments back those few (or extremely just one) competitors into many
and you read what today or another day one or another of those competitors are trying to give you to justify their actions
pls, try to free your mind of all theirs
remember, many of them, usualy those more social active, are trying to slaughter ppl, to slaughter cultures, to slaughter civilizations.
and those shameless cheaters are laughing in themselves
cause they know that if just one remains that means that that one is the only one good
all these are giving me a bitter taste tonight...
@Bluefaerydust:
First off, Russia is no longer communist! That kinda puts a big damper on any red takeover theory.
Second, Nationalism is good to the extent that it unifies a population body within a certain territory who share certain values, but it can be taken to a fault.
At some point, openess to other cultures, other nations and the recognition that we are all first and foremost human is primordial for prosperity and peace.
Nationalism by itself is no guarantee for peace or prosperity for that matter and is only valuable in that it allows a set of people to govern themselves in accordance to shared values.
Third, I'm sorry to say, but the whole "you let socialism in a bit and it will eat you over" mentality is just paranoid and a throwback an earlier era.
In the end, it doesn't matter if its "socialism" or "capitalism" or whatnot as long as it works for the population involved.
Communism doesn't really work and neither does pure capitalism. Most people need something between the two. Imo, all the pointless arguing is not about whether we should be socialist or capitalist (which in their purity of essence are unattainable), but rather exactly how far left or how far right things should be.
Perhaps instead of saying "this mesure is socialist" or "this mesure is capitalist", the question we should ask ourselves is "does it work for the population involved?".
And finally, I think the greatest threat to a system that is too far right or left is itself.
You put people in an oppressive totally state controlled regime and they push back because they want more freedom.
You put people in a savage "survival of the fittest" regime where 95% of the population is exploited by the remaining 5% and you have a revolution waiting to happen.
Of course, in both cases, you have an extreme push to the right or to the left for a time to compensate for all the abuse taken. Sounds familiar?
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exactly my point - you cant get more left than obama!
lol. get real amigo. obama would hardly even be called leftish in sweden.you cant get more left than obama!
With Bush semi-nationalizing banks and both McCain and Obama voting for that bill, I'd say this liberal/conservative debate something of a non-starter.
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If it's broke, fix it.
If it's not, don't.
If you do not like the results, change your methods.
Quit making the same old mistakes. Make new ones.
You should come North of the border sometimes.Originally Posted by Bluefaerydust
You'd be surprised.
Yeah, the commies gotta foothold on your norther neighbor with their extremist anti-American socialist ideologies.
We're storing our AK-47s in the cellar waiting for the order to invade which should come directly from Moscow.
Don't worry, its not coming right away. We'll wait until that big revolution that you're predicting breaks in and your whole infrastructure collapses so that we can catch you unaware while you're busy hunting rabbit to feed your families (well, those who didn't store tuna cans and butane gaz anyways).
Its all one big conspiracy. Be afraid, very afraid...
Last edited by Magn; 04-11-2008 at 06:00.
I have spent the last 12 years living around the world, and you know what? I wouldn't trade my US citizenship for anything.
No matter how flawed, we still have the best medical facilities and care in the world. And please, unless you have lived under and been treated for something under a socialized system, you do not have the ability to comment. There is something to the fact, people still come to the States to receive treatment.
No matter how flawed, we are still called upon from a majority of countries to come to their aid when something goes wrong in the world. Because, we could pull our 100's of thousands of troops out of Germany, Japan, Haiti, Phillipines, Afghanistan, and Iraq. How long do you realistically think it would be before we would be asked to help once again???
No matter how flawed, Capitalism has worked for us. Are you ready to live in a country, no matter how hard you work, or how many hours you put in, 50% of the money you earn is taken from you in the form of taxes ( and the national flat rate tax on purchases is an additional 19%)? Where is the incentive to work longer or more hours if you just lose it? Do you want your government telling you where in the country you need to go to work? Or live?
No matter how flawed, our educational system allows the possibility for anyone to go to college (right or wrong, but we pay the bill). In a socialized country, you take national exams to determine if you can or will be allowed to further your education at a University.
Natural resources... Water is the #1 natural resource in the world. The USA is no longer the worlds greatest consumer of natural resources, yet we continually are told by the rest of the world to consume less. I agree, however, currently living in a land of windmills (Netherlands), have you looked into the amount of resources needed to make 1 windmill? And why is it, America is one of the few countries in the world who has so much 'stuff' added for anti-pollution to their cars? I don't see any of these fast little 2 liter cars around the world with such devices.
Farming work out of the USA. Consider this... we keep all work in the USA (as in made in the USA). Currently you can pick up a pair of Nikes for around 80 USD. Imagine this product being made in the US with the current Union prices...this same pair of Nikes now cost 135 USD. How many can afford that shoe at those prices??? Unions have priced themselves out of the market. It is simple Economics. If I invest my hard earned money into a company, I want a return from that company for allowing them to use my money. That is a dividend. Why in the world would I invest in a company where the government tells them how much of a profit can be made? Or tells the company what to do with the profits it makes? Where is the incentive then?
This election is about Capitalism(McCain) vs Socialism(Obama) and unless you have lived in a Capitalistic society, and have enjoyed the benefits it allows its people, it is hard to understand why people would vote for an old man. And before you start talking about the poor, less fortunate , etc... let me just say..EVERY country in the world has the Haves and the Have nots. Don't believe me? Walk down any street in a major city in the world. Look past the tourist areas to the residences and conditions you see. And then talk to me about the poor.
No matter how flawed, America is still one of the greatest countries in the world and I am d*mned proud to be counted as one of hers!!!
Fair enough and I my Canadian citizenship.
However, I won't pretend that its because my country is better, simply more akin to my tastes because I was raised in it (and yes, I've been to the US and Europe).
Wealthy people go in the US to receive treatment.
Poorer people in the US try to get North of the border where treatment is more affordable.
I'll grant you that, if you can afford it, Us healthcare is hard to beat.
And you go whenever your interests are served.
The rest of the time, the UN handle it (of which you are a big contributor, I'll grant you that much).
Actually, close to 50% of our salary is taken away for the higher income slice of the population. I'm fine with it, because we're covered for a lot of things so we don't need as much money to start with.
I'd rather some poor smuck get treated for cancer than having an extra MP3 player.
And no, people in socialist countries are not told where to work (thats communist which is not necessarily equivalent to socialism).
And sure... the US has been a paragon of capitalism through their entire history... no blemishes... ever.
Actually, technically, our education is a lot cheaper than yours. I compared notes with someone living in the US.
Again, lots of poorer people in the US try to obtain resident status and get their degree here.
And no, despite the fact that the governement pays most of the bill (100% of the fees for college education and below and roughtly 2/3 of the fees for university education), the requirements to get higher education are not that stringent for most profession.
70% average and above should get your through without significant problems. You might have to push for it if you're in the 60%-70% range though.
Actually, I got to do 2 degrees here. If I had been in the US, I wouldn't even have considered it (from a middle class family, financially ok, but not that rich).
And people who do badly get chances.
Well, last time I look, you were the largest consumer of fossile fuels in the world, but given that you are around 320 millions, its alright I guess.
But seriously, you should listen to Arny and get greener.
But yeah, shame on us. You aren't the greatest consumer of water per person, we are.
Well, I'd take the 135$ over the 80$ if that means that someone here is employed.
However, we have the same problem with companies outsourcing jobs.
Well, technically, I live in a mostly capitalistic country (through we're not as far right as you are as shown in our healthcare and education system).
That say, having money pouring out of every pore of my body is not the end of the world.
I'm fully aware that the buying power with the bucks you make in the US is greater than here, but money ain't everything.
@Spookylou: GOOD SPIRIT !
but look at this:
i lived in a communist country
when child i was very ill for many years
medical facilities were poor
though i did not need good facilities for my illness
i needed only to be cured
7 years of continue treatment
don't matter how good facilities are
after 7 years i was cured
my coutry changed the regime and i was very happy with that change
then came Internet, then came information
which is awesome
and i learnt that the treatment for my illness costs in USA over 160k USD and is not covered by insurances
in my communist country i was cured with a cost of some 1k USD for my family, in total
absolutely sure that was under 2k USD
for all those 7 years
admiting that my family would be middle class citizens of USA
it would be rather impossible for me to be cured in USA
the real thing: israelis with similar illness came usualy in my communist country, not in USA, to be cured
with all those poor facilities those are now for me still good memories
anyone should love his country! why? let's see:
if the most valuable resource of a country are the ppl
and in your country your soul learnt to speak then the most valuable thing in your country should be the tongue, the native tongue
that tongue was given to you by something you learnt to call your country
(God gave you your soul but God did not finished the job)
you should love your contry but never for medical facilities :)
for all those who think that borders between contries are to blame for the existance of wars (along with religion): countries are good!
as you cannot think much, pls do not think! just admit that countries are good!
To you who know great
to the rest of you
Whats scary is that you can't see its the same McCain or Obama the puppets will do as their masters require of them
If you think Bush or Clinton had a brain then you have to be a redneck
The oligarthy will tell these puppets what they must do, one will do it as a conservative with some conservative diiferences the other as a liberal with some liberal policies.
and you write long intelectual satires off the diffrences of the two and yet both parties have been derugalating money markets and inprisoning you bringing the nation to such a place as this as per their masters demands.
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