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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookylou View Post
    No matter how flawed, Capitalism has worked for us. Are you ready to live in a country, no matter how hard you work, or how many hours you put in, 50% of the money you earn is taken from you in the form of taxes ( and the national flat rate tax on purchases is an additional 19%)? Where is the incentive to work longer or more hours if you just lose it? Do you want your government telling you where in the country you need to go to work? Or live?
    If you payed a bit more tax your gov. wouldnt have such a large increasing debt. Or perhaps you should war a bit less and save money that way?

    When Income<Spending its bound to fck up and it did. How can you say that a system that just failed you is a good system?

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    USA is still great!
    third on the world's map, first in economics (and technology perhaps), and still the greatest civilization in human history (which is rather easy for them now).
    entire world looked at them the last century and they are still looking at them.
    but ppl look at themselves either
    here in my country, what can we see
    all corrupted, all thieves and criminals, ppl in jail or those who were in jail (not politics), all cheaters and swindlers are shouting loud: GO USA !!!
    that makes us think more
    and USA position it's eroded day by day
    cause those who like USA and are decent ppl are fewer day by day
    those who remain to love USA are day by day rather dubious and low ppl
    the situation may seem to you not serious yet
    but it's worstening day by day
    i still don't know if these can be changed now
    maybe is too late
    i'll not say to you to think more when you vote
    you should thought earlier

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    Quote Originally Posted by iii View Post
    USA is still great!
    third on the world's map, first in economics (and technology perhaps), and still the greatest civilization in human history (which is rather easy for them now).
    Im sorry, but if your government and therefore country is in debt, then your not the strongest global economy. Not by a long shot.

    Consumerism has created false wealth through credit and now it will all come crumbling down. If it hadnt been the global credit crisis doing it now, then the increasing green policies and hopefully soon culture would have done it in 10-15 years time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ishandra View Post
    Im sorry, but if your government and therefore country is in debt, then your not the strongest global economy. Not by a long shot.

    Consumerism has created false wealth through credit and now it will all come crumbling down. If it hadnt been the global credit crisis doing it now, then the increasing green policies and hopefully soon culture would have done it in 10-15 years time.
    Remember that if USA economy falls so does the world. Even if China, Brazil, and India (the next great big emerging economies) will not be able to sustains THE WORLDS NEED of technology and education. Almost every country is dependent on the USA for something and the more you people denounce my country the worse you all will be in the end because NO COUNTRY in this planet has the combination of human resource and order that we have.

    BTW RAW POWER where were you when we needed to elect GORE or KERRY in the past elections? Why dont you blame yourself for voting for BUSH 2 times in a row and putting us in this position in the first place? You all had your chances to change America for the better but you choose a rich, snobby, and stupid Governor from Texas instead for 8 years.

    Now McCain ended his run to the White House in the CLASSIEST manner possible...and i applaud him and wish him the best. I bet he would have been a BETTER PRESIDENT than BUSH when he ran for the Republican Nomination in 2000, but thanks to the BIG OIL & RICH SPECIAL INTEEREST, Bush was easier to manipulate and John McCain was snobbed out of his chance.

    However I'm sorry but the writing on the walls says you cannot trust most the Republican Party nowadays.... EXCEPT FOR RON PAUL
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonJuan View Post
    Remember that if USA economy falls so does the world. Even if China, Brazil, and India (the next great big emerging economies) will not be able to sustains THE WORLDS NEED of technology and education. Almost every country is dependent on the USA for something and the more you people denounce my country the worse you all will be in the end because NO COUNTRY in this planet has the combination of human resource and order that we have.


    If demand for technology increases because the US cant deliver, then those economies that can, mostly Europe and Asia etc, will surely have a further economic boom.

    America doesnt export skilled labour. It doesnt export food or cash crops. It doesnt export oil. Its only real export is credit because most of the big banks were there.

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    no
    the chierarchy is:
    1.USA
    2.Japan
    3.Germany
    4.Russian Federation
    5.France
    6.Great Britain
    ...

    USA's economy is first in the world anyway you look at that
    even so, the hylarious thing is that the real USA economy never went beyound 10 trillions USD
    all the rest are just lies
    they lost some 1 trilion with this crisis
    it's like nothing
    USA must loose in the next 2 yrs some 3 trilions USD
    then we can see the truth
    or make wars. many of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonJuan View Post
    Remember that if USA economy falls so does the world. Even if China, Brazil, and India (the next great big emerging economies) will not be able to sustains THE WORLDS NEED of technology and education. Almost every country is dependent on the USA for something and the more you people denounce my country the worse you all will be in the end because NO COUNTRY in this planet has the combination of human resource and order that we have.
    Need is a strong word.

    The US is really a center for culture and I applaud your country for that (I've watched more American movies and played more American video games than I care to count).

    Technology... I'm sorry to break your bubble, but most country had their great breakthroughts at one point or another and countries like England, Germany and France don't have that much to envy from the US in that regard.

    If the US vanished tomorrow, some technologies would be lost for sure though allow me to be skeptic about that pushing the world back into the stone ages.

    Europe and some of the richer asian countries like Japan and even India for some things now can hold their own very well.

    Economy, harder for me to say as I'm not an economist, but yes, the US is a big piece of the economic puzzle and its loss would be felt greatly. However, I'd theorize that the loss of the EU would or the Middle East for that matter (think oil) would affect global economy on a similar scale.

    Plz, do get over yourselves.
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    you can keep thinking theoretically but the reality is still evident so dont fool yourself so easily
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonJuan View Post
    you can keep thinking theoretically but the reality is still evident so dont fool yourself so easily
    And you have a monopoly on reality?

    I'll tell you something about reality: I have a degree in mathematics&statistics (the core language of science) and from what I gathered reading about the various "discoverers" of the mathematics I studied, while the US do have some significant mathematicians (like Newton), the vast majority were not American.
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    What one has to remember as well is that the scientific breakthroughs even if made on american soil in large are the result of research that by itself is hardly "american". America is the leading nation in the academic world because it has been able to attract the best brains from all over the world. Its not like america going to **** means these brains stop functioning, quite the contrary. And its not like someone else cant step up and take over Americas lead role in academics, someone just has to want to pay more and spend more money doing so.

    china is already entering phase 2 in their academic process. Step 1 was to finance talented students studies in america hoping for them to come back with valuable knowledge. Step 2 is to attract experts from all of the world to their unis so they can take care of their own education. Not far from now China is definitely going to have top of the notch universities competing with the ivy league and oxford+cambridge etc. China is investing huge amounts of money in this and chinese students are without a doubt more dedicated than those in the west.

    As far as technology goes i dont know why the hell youre talking about america anyway when asia is the main driver behind technology related development and technology related production.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magn View Post
    And you have a monopoly on reality?

    I'll tell you something about reality: I have a degree in mathematics&statistics (the core language of science) and from what I gathered reading about the various "discoverers" of the mathematics I studied, while the US do have some significant mathematicians (like Newton), the vast majority were not American.
    well when the entire planet observes and celebrates the election of a new US PRESIDENT (whether because he is black OR because they are happy that Bush is leaving the office), then that just tells me that USA is more important than it is.

    Many normal people have shed tears when Obama was projected the winner, here in Los Angeles I have never heard of such a thing and now I know that America truely is a great country when the wishes of a majority of its people got what they wanted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonJuan View Post
    well when the entire planet observes and celebrates the election of a new US PRESIDENT (whether because he is black OR because they are happy that Bush is leaving the office), then that just tells me that USA is more important than it is.

    Many normal people have shed tears when Obama was projected the winner, here in Los Angeles I have never heard of such a thing and now I know that America truely is a great country when the wishes of a majority of its people got what they wanted.
    It's hard for me to comment for the rest of the world so I'll comment for myself.

    I followed your election closely because:

    1) First non cocasian leader of a country elected in North America is an important landmark (yes, we say race shouldn't matter, but when I looked back at all the previous leaders and saw that all of them were of european descent, it was obvious that up to that point, it did matter).

    2) I thought the sudden war in Irak was just a yahoo thing to do and I was worried about a country that was so willing to send its young men to die except as a last resort thing. Given that we're your immediate northen neighbor and our military isn't really a match for yours, it did give me some cause for worry.

    I certainly didn't want to see the next version of the german nazi party slowly sprouting and building momentum south of the border.

    3) Well, you're our southern (and only) neighbor so its normal I'll take at least a loose interest in whats happening south of the border.

    But to be honest, your previous elections before this one are a blur to me. But I'll always remember this one.
    Last edited by Magn; 06-11-2008 at 12:56.

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    Mexico isnt part of north america? ;)

    Don Juan
    now I know that America truely is a great country when the wishes of a majority of its people got what they wanted.
    Wow.. Democracy! Bet you invented that to.. the flawed american version that is ^^

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    Democracy of america:
    people get little choices, and they choose a president. in those 4 years they got NOTHING to say about it. Democracy? no,no,no, you just tell: "now he can order us around"

    seriously, its stupid. gogo Communism, ofc its not the best thing. but at least the leader was strong ^^ and not a complete retard.

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    Your playing with 70's era CEO's not th5 '55's. Yuir makes good points, but the socialist/communist movement doesn't have a capacity to overtake. Especially when wallstreet gets a 700billin bailout. credit that to capitlalism.

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