Please vote John McCain

[dka]

Mccain is morally corrupt in other ways too.
This is not his first wife. When he came back from Vietnam and saw that his wife got in a car wreck, very soon he left her for a younger richer woman. [1]
He is not as kind to pows, and veterens as he claims either. [2] [3]


sources
1 http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjoh...n_betrayal.htm
2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdEQ8...ohnmccain.com/
3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CazKanlYDg

[freemehul]

keep the taxes low is a valid argument. Rakiro you're an idiot!

to get out of a recession and avoid a depression, you need to increase investments

there are 3 possible ways to do that:
1- lower taxes
2- lower interest rates
3- let government spend


option 3 isn't viable because of bad demographics, option 2 isn't really viable either, because that's what got us into this mess in the first place (Greenspan lowered interest rates too much possibly early 2001, or 2002, coincidentally around the same time as 9/11 and the war in Afghanistan and how do we know that, because of the housing bubble, which started in 2002 (compare investment in housing between Denver and Florida and California and you will see the difference))

that means only option 1 is a viable solution
and what is option 1 again?! right lower taxes

and what does Obama do?! he raises taxes

Obama and Bush is like dumb and dumber

[Bluefaerydust]

to me the bottom line is who is going to hurt or help my country the most -

obama has charisma thats it - everything he stands for goes against my belief system! Here is what is wrong with him and why i am voting for Mccain

#1. I do not want socialized medicine - i see how my utopian friends have waited months for surgery.
#2. late term abortions are wrong - and if a baby does survive that abortion they should not be tossed in a bin to die.
#3. I do not want him to "spread the wealth around" - I do not believe that a tax increase at ANY level is what the country needs. I think we need more tax breaks for businesses to encourage more jobs.
#4 I do not believe in starting school at the age of 2 or 3 - thats just ridiculous - yet obama is strong on early childhood and compensatory education.
#5 I do not believe in sex education for 5 year olds - on any level
#6 I do not believe in merit pay for teachers and special bonus checks based on the subject you teach!
#7 I want to drill for oil and drill now -
#8 i want nuclear energy for my country
#9 i do not believe there is any coincidence that he has been associated with multiple terrorists - the guy is dirty as they come - he is no saint.
#10 he refuses to release any of his personal info - including his birth certificate - what does he have to hide?
#11 i do not want the checks and balance system to be gone by democrats controlling everything - you know he can take away term limits and there would be nobody to stop him?
#12 acorn - nuff said
#13 Obama is also a hypocrit - for example - he said he would not take private funds - yet did - he criticized McCain as washington insider but picked Biden as a running mate who is deep in washington politics.
#14 Obama's cousin Odinga and the fact that obama helped campaign for him on tax payer money
#15 Obama's record of being late to votes or abstaining in the senate
#16 his total lack of experience in handling budgets - he has never had any executive experience...
#17 Chicago politics - nuff said
#18 how is he going to get osama? invade Pakistan?

anyway you get the message

McCain is the only answer! Obama will run this country into the ground.

[Swirvin' Birds]

I do not want socialized medicine

Under Obamas plan you can still go out and buy your own health insurance. There will still be employee health benefits.

Under the McCain plan, John McCain himself wouldn't even be able to get health insurance. The only reason he can get the health care he needs is that HE gets FREE HEALTH CARE from THE GOVERNMENT. The best health care in the world I might add.

late term abortions are wrong

The republicans had the white house, the congress and the senate for how many years? How is John McCain promising to change this?

I do not want him to "spread the wealth around" - I do not believe that a tax increase at ANY level is what the country needs. I think we need more tax breaks for businesses to encourage more jobs.

We already did that with 8 years of George Bush. We tanked. John McCain wants to continue on with the Bush tax cuts. Tax cuts for the large corporations does very little. It does not 'trickle down'.

With Obamas plan the vast majority of small business will be getting a tax cut. Not a tax increase. Even Joe the plumber gets a tax cut.

We already 'spread the wealth around'. We give large corporations subsidies and such with our tax dollars. Palin made sure the rest of us 'shared the wealth' by taking money from the oil and gas companies up in Alaska and giving it to the citizens of Alaska. You don't think we are all paying a few pennies more at the pump from this?

I do not believe in starting school at the age of 2 or 3

Parents already do this. It's called DAYCARE. They teach children in daycare.

I do not believe in sex education for 5 year olds - on any level

Age appropriate. Parents can opt out if they don't want their child in it.

I do not believe in merit pay for teachers and special bonus checks based on the subject you teach!

Why not. In my job as a Cable installer working for a corporation we get merit increases for doing a good job. We do cable, internet and phone. If you only know the cable side you are going to get paid less than someone who knows 2 or all 3 lines of business. A in-house installer gets paid less than a sweep technician.

I want to drill for oil and drill now -

Why? The oil just gets sold on the open market at a profit to the oil companies. It doesn't not go to us in the US. If we start now the 1st drop seen will be a good 10 years down the road and the amount of oil produced would be pennies at the gas station.

How about we save our resources so future generations of Americans have something left.

i want nuclear energy for my country

I have no beef with nuclear energy. But I'd rather see us focus on renewable energy technology than on nuclear energy. I would rather the US be exporting solar panels, wind turbines, tidal generators and such than exporting spend reactor fuel rods and nuclear technology.

i do not believe there is any coincidence that he has been associated with multiple terrorists

Still clinging to the terrorist theory... Obama is a terrorist!!! hehe.

he refuses to release any of his personal info - including his birth certificate

Your a little behind in the times there. He did release his birth certificate.

i do not want the checks and balance system to be gone by democrats controlling everything - you know he can take away term limits and there would be nobody to stop him?

Democrats put checks and balances in. It's called regulations. Republicans are de-regulators. They believe in the complete freedom of the free market. They don't want checks and balances.

acorn - nuff said

A whole other thread on this topic with my view on ACORN. So I won't repost here.

Obama is also a hypocrit - for example - he said he would not take private funds - yet did - he criticized McCain as washington insider but picked Biden as a running mate who is deep in washington politics.

You can say that about any politician. McCain hounded on Obamas experience early in the campaign and then picks Palin as his VP. Notice how he doesn't hound Obama on 'experince' anymore.

how is he going to get osama? invade Pakistan?

McCain said "He knows how to get Osama". Obama can't know as well?

[freemehul]

socialized medicine is all nice and well and I'm all for it, but raising taxes like Obama wants to is a really really bad move, especially this time.

you got a housing bubble, that already means economic stagnation on that area of the economy

oil is scarce and while the price has dropped recently, it will go back up again (you can count on it, because the reserves aren't getting bigger) and that means inflation will also rise.

Combine the two and you get what is called STAGFLATION.
Stagflation becomes worse when you raise taxes!
The last time that happened was during the Carter administration and it can happen again! Stagflation is very hard to combat. Inflationary measures actually worsens stagflation, whilst deflationary measures increases unemployment, unless you can find a way to get trust. Trust is hard to get, especially in times like these and with a bubble that you have no sure way of knowing how big it is and how long it is going to last. Combine that with the fact that you have no certain way to control inflation (oil price and counterfeit money), then to gain trust is an almost impossible feat, no matter how charismatic a leader you are. I'm not saying either side can do much about it, but McCain certainly can't make it worse than Obama can.

[RAKIdaRHINO]

freemehul
you obviously missed my point. My objection was that you cut taxes and same time increased lending which leads to a huge portion of the taxes end up paying of interests. If you are spending 25% of the taxes on interests you could obviously cut the taxes a whole lot if the debt was smaller. Debt itself however isnt all bad and many times create good, but you cant keep increasing your debt like youre currently doing thinking it wont end up biting you in the ass.

as for the all mighty power of cutting taxes i think that its less true today than ever in the globalized economy. The current situation will certainly slow down globalization to some extent but we still live in a world where fresh capital doesnt end up as much in new solid domestic investments like they once did. I think that state initiatives promoting and subsidizing investments made by companies and investments in infrastructure etc will lead to more money going back in to the nation than simply cutting their taxes will. Just giving them more money simply wont be enough unless they have clear incentives to actually put the money back in to your system.

as for medicine its "cheaper" to keep the person healthy than have he or she be a nonproductive member of the society.

[freemehul]

as for the all mighty power of cutting taxes i think that its less true today than ever in the globalized economy.

wrong it's the exact opposite

as for medicine its "cheaper" to keep the person healthy than have he or she be a nonproductive member of the society.

that's all true, but with stagflation getting worse you won't be able to afford it anyway

it's the chicken and the egg really

[Ishandra]

You guys need to think in more Utopia terms.

If your country (province) is going into recession (shrinking in NW) you need to increase your resource production through investment into food/energy companies and foreign investment (AID/science) or by taking those resources from around the world(attacking/stealing).

If your going into recession because your populace suddenly realises its not as rich as it thought it was because its natural resources ran out years ago, you need to either break the news so everyone can live within their means or you need to capture those resources somewhere else. So either invading oil rich countries (duh) or finding new places to mine it.

Economic reform will help but at the end of the day people need to stop wasting so much money on overly large housing, wasteful cars, unnecessary travel, etc etc. Those are the things you want other countries to buy from YOU, not the other way around.

[freemehul]

Mccain is morally corrupt in other ways too.
This is not his first wife.

what an incredibly moot point, that's like saying you shouldn't vote bill clinton, because he cheated on his wife with an intern


unless the candidate actually raped, murdered or deliberately bugged the convention of the opposition (Nixon), then I don't care what he does in his private life as it is just that, private, namely something between him and his wife


besides if i had to choose between someone that took drugs and someone that cheated on his wife, i'd still take the latter

drugs destroys everything, cheating only destroys a relationship

[Ishandra]

Maybe presidents should be celibate like the pope? :P Married to the country or something~

[RAKIdaRHINO]

freemehul
how is it the exact opposite when we have increased off shoring and less domestic investments than before? fail to see how decreased investments in the domestic market in any way would be beneficial right now. As long as purchase power is nice its all dandy ofc since the cost of goods and services become cheaper allowing us to consume more, but right now the purchase power and the will to consume is hardly at the level we want it at. And once again, unless more money goes in to the domestic system i fail to see the huge benefit of the whole thing right now. Lower costs are dandy as i said, but you still need to maintain the purchase power of the population to utilize it properly.

anyways, my main point was that instead of decreasing costs for company X by cutting taxes worth 10 million you instead promote investment by supporting investments and building beneficial infrastructure for an equal amount. So if you invest 10M state would invest 10M as well (simplified ofc).

[Bluefaerydust]

Swirvin' Birds you are typical of the other brainwashed people - you are trying to counter my beliefs -- by giving me arguments that change nothing about how I believe - as I said....

obama has charisma thats it - everything he stands for goes against my belief system! Here is what is wrong with him and why i am voting for Mccain

health care - I like the system we have now - I see no need to socialize it and I think McCain's plan will be much more effective for me - and you are damn right McCain has free medical care - he earned it by being a VET - although Clinton tried to take that away from vets -

i didnt say anything about changing abortion laws - i said i dont agree with late term abortion and so i dont want to support someone who does and who is going to appoint the next supreme court justices

you are wrong about obama giving business tax cuts - he wants to tax small businesses that make $200k a year - hello! just cuz a company makes it doesnt mean thats all profit - and if they have to pay taxes - there goes an employee to afford it - and tell me how obama is going to make jobs! he isnt - he has no plan for that - i dont agree with obama's plan - all these promises he makes are going to take money - who is paying for that?

right now day care is optional - not all parents send their children to day care - parents will be forced to send their children to preschool under obama - check what he wants - thats what compensatory means - and there is no such thing as age appropriate sex ed for a 5 year old -- i can think of NOTHING i would want a teacher to tell my child at that age!!!!!!!!!! HOw do you determine which teachers get merit pay? by the number of kids who pass? ok i will pass them all -- oh wait you want to base it on standardized tests? oh yeah right thats fair - you have all the gt kids i have the special ed kids - yours pass you get the money mine dont so i lose out! NOT oh wait? you wanna give them to science teachers and math teachers only ( that is one of Obama's claims!) ummmmm wait a minute I am just as viable a teacher as they are - and I shape their lives just as much - how is that fair to me the teacher?


as for the checks and balances - if the dems control senate, congress and president they can ram thru anything they want with no way to stop it!

I dont want to be defendant on other countries for oil - I want my country to maintain its sovereignty - i want to use alternative energy like nuclear plants and wind so we wont worry about future generations.

they say you can judge a book by its cover - obama has a history of picking seedy people for his friends - i dont want a chicago politician with dirty friends for my presdient - its about character and good judgment - and you are wrong about the birth certificate unless he did it today! Why wont he show his college records? his health records? oh and lets not talk about how mickey mouse and Adolph Hitler have given money to his campaign --



yeah sure offer counter arguments but it still wont change the fact that i fundamentally believe differently than obama and i am praying for that miracle.....

[octobrev]

drugs destroys everything, cheating only destroys a relationship

This is simply untrue. I work and go to school blazed out of my goddamned mind and still outperform most.

When you go to vote, keep in mind that McCain's entire stance on the economy is that he cannot lift his arms over his head.

Obama > God. nuff said

[DonJuan]

Conservative ideals has no more place in todays modern society...most of it is usually catered to Christian beliefs anyways such as abortion rights, which shouldn't be a factor because the Constitutions amendment of separation of church and state.

That is also why gays and lesbians find such a great opposition from the Republican side...if anything your kids should be able to get information from a CREDIBLE source about human sociology instead of the ignorant and biased ideals their parents give them...and you wonder why SCHOOLS have problems with suicidal and violent teen shootings? because parents show their own kids INTOLERANCE to someone else beliefs and ideals.

BTW can you guys actually post actual links to Obama's policies that show that he will raise taxes? Or do you believe in everything McCain says, even the claim that he is a secret Socialist Terrorist?

how bout this...why vote for a candidate that supported a war that was FALSELY created and HORRIBLY mismanaged...THEN promises to keep our troops overseas to "accomplish the mission" in a country that had NOTHING TO DO WITH the 9/11 attacks...even if it takes 100 years as he says?

How can you expect your Candidate McCain to pay for HIS economic policies (that are almost as expensive as Obama's $280 Billion dollar policy's price tag) while he promise to keep paying over $10 Billions dollars a month to keeps the troops in combat for the duration of his presidency? Not to mention the possibility to keep alienating Arabic/Muslim/Islamic countries by keeping his stiff position of "Screw everyone except for America" mentality that Bush has kept up with no success?

At least Obama gives HOPE that we will not continue to fail in Iraq while he promised to keep looking for Osama Bin Laden where he is REALLY HIDING...in Afghanistand and Pakistan. Obama understands that the war in Iraq will NEVER BE WON because violence breeds more violence especially in a country that sees American as "INVADERS" and not "LIBERATORS". Al Qaida was NOT in IRAQ before 9/11...however they arrived after the war started because that is where the action is...and not in Afghanistan where the Bush Administration so confidently ignored after he delivered the head of Sadaam Hussein to his dad as a Christmas gift.

I love being in America, but I cannot tolerate idiots with power. In Utopia, usually monarchs who lie and abuse power are killed off by the lost, but rational kingdom members.

The Democratic party has made MUCH MORE PROGRESS with the the last 20 years than the Republican party...and thanks to Bush Sr. and Bush Jr...it will be evident in the next 4-8 years as it was over 8 years ago when President Clinton was in office.

[dka]

Mccain is not pro life, he is pro abortion.
Actions speak louder than words, this pro life image is just a facade made up with the help of the msm.


Article
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin465.htm

some verification I found on the internet to back up article
[1] A Statement from Mccain on how he supports embryonic stem cell research
[2] Mccains vote to nominate Stephen G Breyer
[3] Mccains vote to nominate Ruth Bader Ginsberg
[4] Mccain voted to fund abortions with tax dollars
[5] Mccain stating he won't overturn Roe V Wade

1
http://mccain.senate.gov/public/inde...d-99163108bb35

2
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=2&vote=00242

3
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=1&vote=00232

4
http://www.covenantnews.com/newswire...es/037960.html

5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Trba...eature=related

Bottom line, Mccain has lied numerous times how can we trust him as president?