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    Human Sage Example Province

    I like I said I would post up the example province of a top notch human/sage province. Take a look and
    The Province of SageWay (##:##)
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    Server: Genesis #19
    Utopian Date: January 24rd, YR7 (75% in the day)
    RL Date: February 5th, 2009 (3:15 GMT)

    Ruler Name: The Wise Lord Tatic
    Personality & Race: The Sage, Human
    Land: 1,010 Acres
    Money: 2,414,957gc (45,642gc daily income)
    Food: 547,666 bushels
    Runes: 79,941 runes
    Population: 30,965 citizens (30.66 per Acre)
    Peasants: 12,728 (112% Building Efficiency)
    Trade Balance: -170,394gc (0% tax rate)

    ME+Stance (no spells): 152.9% off. / 130.35% def.
    Soldiers: 3,164 (56.1% estimated draft rate)
    Swordsmen: 0
    Archers: 6,872 (53,746 defense)
    Knights: 5,952 (54,604 offense / 23,275 defense)
    War-Horses: 0
    Prisoners: 0

    Total Modified Offense: 59,442 (58.85 per Acre)
    Practical (100% elites): 59,442 (58.85 per Acre)
    Total Modified Defense: 81,146 (80.34 per Acre)
    Practical (0% elites): 57,871 (57.30 per Acre)

    Thieves: 1,383 (1.37 per Acre / 100% Stealth)
    Wizards: 866 (0.86 per Acre / 95% Mana)

    Crystal-Ball on your province will show:
    Max. Possible Thieves/Wizards: 4,432 (4.39 / Acre)
    Estimated Thieves Number: 1,773 (1.76 per Acre)
    Estimated Wizards Number: 665 (0.66 per Acre)

    ** Networth Table: **
    Total Networth: 161,607gc (160.01 per Acre)
    Land (90% built): 51,510gc (32%) - [15+40gc]
    Archers: 41,232gc (26%) - [6gc]
    Knights: 31,248gc (19%) - [5.25gc]
    Peasants: 12,728gc (8%) - [1gc]
    Science (estimated): 8,732gc (5%) - [1/92gc]
    Thieves: 5,532gc (3%) - [4gc]
    Soldiers: 4,746gc (3%) - [1.5gc]
    Wizards: 3,464gc (2%) - [4gc]
    Money: 2,415gc (1%) - [1/1000gc]

    Buildings: 1,009gc to build, 602gc to raze
    Away bonus: 63,640gc (12h) / 190,920gc (20h)

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    Books to Allocate: 3 books

    ** Effects Summary (Known Science Only) **
    17.9% Income (67,096 points)
    12.8% Building Effectiveness (67,092 points)
    8.3% Population Limits (67,093 points)
    102.1% Food Production (67,095 points)
    17.9% Gains in Combat (67,092 points)
    76.6% Thievery Effectiveness (67,094 points)
    76.6% Magic Effectiveness & Rune Production (67,093 points)

    ** Science Points in Progress **
    Alchemy: 2,628 points in progress
    Tools: 2,632 points in progress
    Housing: 2,631 points in progress
    Food: 2,629 points in progress
    Military: 2,632 points in progress
    Crime: 2,630 points in progress
    Channeling: 2,631 points in progress

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    Buildings Report of SageWay (##:##)
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    Server: Genesis #19
    Ruler Name: Lord Tatic
    Personality: The Sage
    Race: Human
    Building Efficiency: 112.2%
    Kingdom Stance: Normal

    1. Homes: 369 (36.5%)
    2. Farms: 54 (5.3%)
    3. Training Grounds: 152 (15%)
    4. Forts: 153 (15.1%)
    5. Guilds: 102 (10.1%)
    6. Towers: 30 (3%)
    7. Libraries: 150 (14.9%)

    Total Land: 1,010 Acres (100% built)

    ** Effects Summary (Available Buildings Only) **
    1. +2,952 maximum population, +100% birth rate
    2. Produce 5,301 bushels (6,627 with FL)
    3. +21.52% offense bonus
    4. +21.63% defense bonus
    5. Training about 2.29 wizards per hour
    6. Produce 505 runes per hour
    7. +25.29% science effects (not affected by BE)
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    As you can see libraries do give human an edge. The allow the human to run an all round stronger province and it's better to run libraries as human if one is playing t/ms. However, I am playing attacker so it is better for me to get forts and tgs.
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    A pure attacker with out rax, hospitals, or wt?

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    well, i would never run 15% libraries with that low amount of science anyway, and i believe he could find better places to put those 15% into. until he start getting a bit more science then what is the case here.
    These so called experienced players are just wanna-bes. The less tpa one has they less affective they are. For example if a person has 0 tpa but they have 50% watch towers the watch tower will not help any. It's a fact. Right now I'm like lol because it seems to me you "experienced" players seem to think if you put up lots of wts with little or no tpa that will protect you. Well you're wrong.

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    Vines I might post up my DE/Sage in a min to show you how its done.

    Also, would you rather my 1k Orc/Rogue KD mate plundered or stole that 2.4mill GC of yours?
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    What is your NW, and why pick a sage if you are not gonna invest in science?

    on genesis your science numbers should be sky high compared to that...especially given the extra income...

    wow....that is all i am willing to comment on
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    To be fair, he didnt start it that long ago. Although having that much GC and soldiers unused is a crime against competency.
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    You are playing attacker, yet you have less than 60 opa, not good attack numbers. You need to maximize the TG/Fort ratio based on Off/Def troop ratio, having 15% of each is impractical unless unless you have evenly split troop counts. And I can think of better use for some of that land.

    And why do you have 3k untrained soldiers with 2 million gc? Odd.

    There is much better use of the space you waste on homes, especially for an 'attacker'. You need Hospitals and Rax if you are a real attacker, but then again I bet your huge losses lead to the 3k untrained sols, and probably long retraining time between attacks.

    You also have crap tpa, with 0 WTs and 0 TDs. This is probably the most vulnerable human I have seen that calls himself an attacker. A turtled Gnome Rogue would be unbreakable by you, and sit back and NS the crap out of your already low offense, and even be able to fireball your pezzies fairly easily with such low wpa.

    Overall I grade this Human a D-
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    Average attacker with good economy, very vulnerable to ops and spells. C+
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    To be objective, I can't rate this at all. I dun think its ur warbuild. With all the untrained soldiers, im sure u meant to put them to good use.

    But u have obviously too much food sci, or too much farms. i wld gladly run 5% farms, with ~50% sci and break even in food consumption. In that aspect, your sci distribution is bad. Ur magic/thievery sci is also great for defensive purpose, but aint enough to be a real hybrid. And they need to be backed up with a substantial raw tpa/wpa.

    And, to PROVE that library is good, u need a ground for comparison. To PROVE its the best, well no one must be able to show a better province than yours.

    But, anyday, I would take even the current state of your province, rid the lib and use hospitals. And that means, at your current sci level and build, library is not good enough.

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    It is a waste to have that much science in sci/thiev without a decent raw to mod. Anything less than 2 tpa is worthless, and less than 1 wpa is worthless. Utilize the science, pump wpa up to 1.5-2, and tpa to ~3 and toss in some TDs. Otherwise you will get shredded in any conflict.
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    The science allocation is horrible, that much focus on Channeling and Crime with horrible thieves and wizards makes no sense. Should get more econ fields instead. Flat across all fields isn't the way to go.
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    The Province of Wikipedia
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    Server: Genesis #19
    Utopian Date: February 1st, YR7 (97% in the day)
    RL Date: February 6th, 2009 (1:28 GMT)

    Ruler Name: The Wise Baroness Faust
    Personality & Race: The Sage, Dark Elf
    Land: 2,240 Acres
    Money: 425gc (38,806gc daily income)
    Food: 174,571 bushels
    Runes: 0 runes
    Population: 65,336 citizens (29.17 per Acre)
    Peasants: 13,267 (87% Building Efficiency)
    Trade Balance: 1,613,130gc (0% tax rate)

    Military Eff. with Stance: 133.07% off. / 128.7% def.
    Soldiers: 14 (73% estimated draft rate)
    Night Rangers: 15,772 (125,928 offense)
    Druids: 0
    Drow: 20,408 (135,786 offense / 157,585 defense)
    War-Horses: 2 (up to 3 additional offense)
    Prisoners: 0

    Total Modified Offense: 261,736 (116.85 per Acre)
    Practical (10% elites): 139,530 (62.29 per Acre)
    Total Modified Defense: 157,603 (70.36 per Acre)
    Practical (90% elites): 141,843 (63.32 per Acre)

    Thieves: 11,521 (5.14 per Acre / 58% Stealth) Mod ~14.5
    Wizards: 4,354 (1.94 per Acre / 36% Mana) Mod ~3.6

    Crystal-Ball on your province will show:
    Max. Possible Thieves/Wizards: 23,766 (10.61 / Acre)
    Estimated Thieves Number: 9,506 (4.24 per Acre)
    Estimated Wizards Number: 3,565 (1.59 per Acre)

    ** Networth Table: **
    Total Networth: 430,949gc (192.39 per Acre)
    Drow: 132,652gc (31%) - [6.5gc]
    Land (90% built): 114,240gc (27%) - [15+40gc]
    Night Rangers: 75,706gc (18%) - [4.8gc]
    Thieves: 46,084gc (11%) - [4gc]
    Science (estimated): 31,562gc (7%) - [1/92gc]
    Wizards: 17,416gc (4%) - [4gc]
    Peasants: 13,267gc (3%) - [1gc]
    Soldiers: 21gc (0%) - [1.5gc]
    War Horses: 1gc (0%) - [0.6gc]

    Buildings: 1,326gc to build, 910gc to raze
    Away bonus: 66,335gc (12h) / 199,005gc (20h)




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    Ruler & Race: Baroness Faust, Dark Elf.

    ** Summary **
    Non-Peasants: 80%
    Efficiency (SoM): 156.3% off, 116.9% def, 111.2% raw
    Net Offense at Home (from Utopia): 262,070
    Net Defense at Home (from Utopia): 158,366
    Modified Attack points (calculated): 308,411
    Modified Defense points (calculated): 144,024

    ** Standing Army (At Home) **
    Soldiers: 101 (158 offense / 118 defense)
    Night Rangers: 15,772 (147,910 offense)
    Drow: 20,517 (160,340 offense / 143,906 defense)
    War Horses: 2 (up to 3 additional offense)
    Total Attack points: 308,411
    Total Defense points: 144,024

    ** Troops in Training **
    Drow: 909 (7,104 offense / 6,376 defense)

    Thieves: 559

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    Land: 2,240 Acres
    Books to Allocate: 0 books

    ** Effects Summary (Known Science Only) **
    19.1% Income (268,921 points)
    14.5% Building Effectiveness (303,167 points)
    13.8% Population Limits (655,431 points)
    61.6% Food Production (85,952 points)
    10.2% Gains in Combat (77,184 points)
    99.7% Thievery Effectiveness (400,572 points)
    87.9% Magic Effectiveness & Rune Production (311,371 points)

    ** Science Points in Progress **
    Alchemy: 17,189 points in progress
    Crime: 9,607 points in progress
    Channeling: 21,506 points in progress




    Thats by no means pumped to max, still have plenty ToG/stealing to do but I'm playing it casually as we're OOW for a few more days while others move into war builds. I'm running ~15% Libraries. Not posting build strat as a couple buildings are off for higher guilds pre-war. 15% Hospitals and 20% TD in there though.
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    Cheech to answer your question yes. The reason I run no barracks is because the strategy is to over power the opponent rather than out attack them. The idea behind the over power strategy is keep the opponent from taking your land while you take their land. Verse the out attack strategy where whichever side can attack faster wins.

    Ishandra if you have an orc in gen and you want to have a little battle that would be great. It will allow me to demonstrate how to attack using this build. Message me and we can set something up.

    Dlaf I have a reason for the high food science. It will become obvious latter on. Also my intentions were never to show that libraries make on all power. In fact read the comment I left at the end of the starting post. I always play "pure" style rather than hybrid. I have plans for the libraries you need not worry. Everyone will have to wait and see what I do.


    Also on any all post on what I should being doing are being ignored. The is an example of how to play human sage to the fullest. I'm already doing what I'm doing. You will just have to wait and see what I do next.

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    Vines compare the military of your attacker to the military of my A/T, who can easily mage you as well.

    Obviously mine is bigger, but go by the per acres. Your human is clearly out matched. All the GC you provide is stolen, your armies NSed, your lands droughted/food stolen, NM away all your troops while STILL breaking you every time your army is out.

    Not only that, but while breaking you with your army out, my elites at home can also AMBUSH your army that just hit me, meaning I massively out gain you in land as well.
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    The good things: ranks is Baron. You have more land.

    The bad things: Your province makes less money. Has less people per acre. BE is crap. And your ME is lower.

    If we were the same size highly doubt you would be able to do all things you say. You are acting as if I wouldn't rise my tpa and wpa before going into war. That's a no--no. Go by the "people per acres" you're the one out matched and I was your size my pop per acre would be even bigger than it is now.

    Let us not talk about what you would do or how bad ass you are. None of that kind of thing can be proven.
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