Question...y isn't my offense going up with my BE?

[Haldane]

5 days ago

Population: 68,832 citizens
Peasants: 18,804 (93% Building Efficiency)
Trade Balance: 1,296,256gc (0% tax rate)

ME+Stance (no spells): 150.64% off. / 128.45% def.
Soldiers: 0 (66.3% estimated draft rate)
Halflings: 0
Pikemen: 16,000 (102,757 defense)
Golems: 22,926 (172,684 offense / 117,791 defense)
War-Horses: 10,500 (up to 15,818 additional offense)
Prisoners: 0

Total Modified Offense: 188,502
Practical (100% elites): 188,502
Total Modified Defense: 220,548
Practical (0% elites): 102,757


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current

Population: 72,127 citizens
Peasants: 21,791 (99% Building Efficiency)
Trade Balance: 1,774,388gc (0% tax rate)

ME+Stance (no spells): 152.57% off. / 129.35% def.
Soldiers: 0 (63.1% estimated draft rate)
Halflings: 0
Pikemen: 16,000 (103,478 defense)
Golems: 22,926 (174,887 offense / 118,616 defense)
War-Horses: 9,002 (up to 13,734 additional offense)
Prisoners: 0

Total Modified Offense: 188,621
Practical (100% elites): 188,621
Total Modified Defense: 222,094
Practical (0% elites): 103,478



the build has remained the same...true my daily income according to CBs went up 10k but is that the only benefit of all this pop sci?

[Catwalk]

Well, what buildings are you running? You lost 1k horses and your OME went up by 2%, they cancel each other out.

[Ishandra]

Also you didnt draft any more with the new population. Raising draft and keeping BE the same would give more off than just letting BE rise.

[Excalibus]

well actually with the same draft and same builds with the extra 4K pop there should be more military to train

[Haldane]

well i did get hit and overdrafted up to 67% and just brought pop up enough to draft again at 63%
i was just doing any experiment cuz i didn't know the full effects of BE

it is better to just draft more :)
draft goes to 70%

[Ishandra]

Like I said, more draft :P

[shank]

well i did get hit and overdrafted up to 67% and just brought pop up enough to draft again at 63%
i was just doing any experiment cuz i didn't know the full effects of BE

it is better to just draft more :)
draft goes to 70%

there's only one person who would argue with you ;)

[Ethan]

Your income went up, so you could run fewer banks and more TG/Fort (and thus more ME!). And even losing 1498 raw off, your off still went up from your BE increasing.

I'd guess you aren't running that high a Tg/Fort % - it matters a lot more when you already have 20% in each.

Be wary of overdafting. I've run calcs (and proved my earlier contention wrong) that show it almost always increases OPNW/DPNW... but at some point you open yourself up to PK. And it doesn't help anywhere near as much as you would think. 10% increase draft gave around 3-5% increased OPNW/DPNW for most builds. Constant income - so it was a "real" increase, but not that big of one.

(I believe shank meant vines would argue against that. But vines' instinct isn't that far off in this case - he's proving smarter than his rep. Not that that says much given his rep...)

Think Different

[Diego]

5 days ago

Total Modified Offense: 188,502
Practical (100% elites): 188,502
Total Modified Defense: 220,548
Practical (0% elites): 102,757


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current

Total Modified Offense: 188,621
Practical (100% elites): 188,621
Total Modified Defense: 222,094
Practical (0% elites): 103,478

It did go up right?

[Haldane]

lol well yes it did go up but not by the numbers i was thinking it would...my BE increased 6% so i figured my O and D would go up more
draft is up tho now

[Ishandra]

Just be wary of playing with drafts in the 80% range. Thats what I'm doing at the minute and although economy isnt really a problem, losing troops to overpop generally is.

I risked being PKed on WoL when I had around 120% of my max population as elites away while being chained. Luckily as I was online I could release def specs into the dragon and aid out soldiers from my thieves etc, but if not I could have lost all my peasants and been in a very sorry state even if surviving ;)

[_greenie]

Lost 1.5k horses, OME went up 2%
1.5k horses at 150% ome =2,3k mod off
Left you with ~186k
186k*1.016 = ~189k mo

That's why it didn't go up more :-)

[Haldane]

i don't think i'll go over 70% draft...like u said PK is an issue but i'm gnome with a decent mod tpa, 12, so i should be ok in war on Genesis

ty for the math...always just play on pure instinct