To Sum it Up!

[Magn]

Lets be honest with ourselves here: The US is not a philantropic organization.

When they intervene across the world stage, it is with their interests in mind first and foremost. Sometimes, doing the right thing happens to coincide with this and sometimes, it doesn't.

The vast majority of the US intervention in the ME was to keep the oil flow stable.

The US' direct involvement in WWII was the result of aggression from the Japs.

The US fighting the cold war was about keeping communism (a perceived evil, I won't go into that debate) as far away from their borders as possible.

[mero mero]

Again, is there a point to this topic besides the propaganda bs?
in reality the u.s is no different from a nazi germany, an emperial japan or a soviet union.
nations striving for world domination using whatever means to achieve their goals.

other then that, you leave out quite a bit of facts in your posts. if this was an attempt of an essay, you would have failed.

[DHaran]

I now have a new respect for the level of retardation possessed by allonons.

[khedrei]

mero mero, it's a discussion. If you don't want to participate in it then leave.

lol at DH's post

imo the world has very mixed opinions of the U.S. Allanons, though I hate to say it, makes good points. Though I agree with Magn. The U.S. puts themselves first 100% of the time. If you think they give two ****s about the citizens of Iraq you are sadly mistaken. The soldiers that are fighting might, but the government doesn't

So Allanons, what do you predict will happen in 50 years when the U.S. goes bankrupt and falls from the Super Power spot that they are in now?

[Safri]

heres an explanation for ww2 :)

http://fatpita.net/?i=1036

[khedrei]

^^

I LOL'd

[texn]

LOL @ Safri´s post :P

[khedrei]

http://fatpita.net/?i=2196

Since we are on the topic of america.

[allonons]

WW1
The immediate or proximate cause of war was the assassination on 28 June 1914 of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria, heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne, by Gavrilo Princip, a Serbian nationalist. Austria–Hungary's resulting demands against the Kingdom of Serbia activated a sequence of alliances. Within weeks the major European powers were at war; their global empires meant that the conflict soon spread worldwide.

WW2
* 1 September 1939: The German invasion of Poland.

* 3 September 1939: France and Britain declared war on Germany. (Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa followed by 10 September).
The Soviet Union: 22 June 1941 (German attack on the USSR).

* 7 July 1937: The Japanese invasion of China (the start of the Second Sino-Japanese War).

* 1931: The Japanese invasion of Manchuria.

Korean War
The reunification negotiations ceased when North Korea invaded South Korea on 25 June 1950.[citation needed]

Vietnam War
France had attempted to regain control of its Southeast Asian colonies (including Vietnam) after WWII in 1945. They were fighting Ho Chi Minh and his communist rebels.
France pulled-out of Vietnam in 1955-56

Gulf War
The invasion of Kuwait by Iraqi troops had been met with immediate economic sanctions against Iraq by members of the UN Security Council, and with immediate preparation for war by the United States of America, the United Kingdom, and Canada. The expulsion of Iraqi troops from Kuwait began in January 1991 and was a decisive victory for the coalition forces, which took over Kuwait and entered Iraqi territory.

Afghanistan War
Was launched by the United States with the United Kingdom (in response) to the *September 11 attacks*.


Not one time in these conflicts do I see the United States of America being the root cause of these hostilities!

[khedrei]

You still didn't answer my question allanons.

[allonons]

I did not answer it because I do not believe in your prediction but as an act of assumption lets say it happens,let it be known that this country try's it's best to do whats right but have no doubt in your mind that evil is with us as it is with all,unleash the evil within the United States and may GoD have mercy on your soul!

[divinorum]

Say he was the worst president in the history of the US and you may have a point.

In the history of the world, he was probably outclassed by Hitler (who I would like to remind you was democratically elected before he became a dictator) and some of the fine presidents in Africa who abandonned office and ran away with the people's money.

Hitler wasnt a president. He was a reichkansler, and later 'became' führer. You lose. Just like the american who wrote this nonsense thread.

And yeah, Saddam never had any WMD's, but that we already knew long before the invasion (just like we knew he had nothing to do with al-qaida, usama or 9/11).

Allanon

"As long as Russia and China vote/veto against everything the U.S and or it's allies take up as a actual legitimate cause the UN is useless and needs to be disbanded at the very least/blown up at the best."

Its not like America arent doing exactly the same. Shush you.

"And just because the US did not find WMD's in Iraq does not mean they were not there at one time,Iraq moved all it's air power (what was left) to Iran,there's nothing to say those WMD's are not in either Syria or Iran."

Yeah, guilty until proven otherwise, ey? The WMD's he DID have at one point in time was supplied by.......... massive drumroll........ YOU. Congratulations for arming both the Afghans and Saddam Hussein. Good going! Stop using UN resolutions or WMD's as an excuse for your invasion, its getting old by now.

"You Euro's need to think where you would be if not for Americas intervention in WW1 and WW2 ,try talking to some of your older relatives and see what they think what America means to them."

And if it hadnt been for our efforts before you decided to step in to save yourself you wouldve been taken too. So stop acting like we owe you something and that you did something out of altruistic motives. And more importingly, stop using WW1-2 as a ****ing carte blanche to behave like dicks and violate every decent thing there is in the world. Your fast to talk about others crimes, what about your own?

WMDs - check
torture - check
assasinations - check
supporting terrorists - check
want me to continue? :)

You never acted out of the goodness of your hearts, but out of necessity, so why the **** should i be thankful?

To be the big boy on the block you have to maintain an attitude along with confidence in your ability to control the neighborhood from other bully's and yes that means sometimes being the bully yourself!

[khedrei]

Corrupt government - check
Scared and fearful public - check
Fail healthcare system - check
Will soon fall from the world power ranking - check


I wonder who is going to be asking who for help next...

[allonons]

Sumerian Tablet 1

In accord with their wishes
The throne of Kingship had been lowered from the heavens.
Rights were perfected, Divine ordinances were exalted.
In pure places five cites were founded: The first being Eridu, the second Badtibira. Larak was the third and Sippar the fourth. The fifth city was Shuruppak, of which I, Ziusudra, was King.
These were the cult centers. These five cities were designated cult centers.
A clamor came from within the cult centers. A clamor that disturbed the gods.
After the cities were destroyed, the cult centers were destroyed.
After the deluge, the flood sent to cover all the land, the destroyer of life,
And I, Ziusudra, on the high peak of Nimush, arranged seven and seven cult vessels, heaped with reeds, cedar and myrtle and brought the offering to the summit to scatter the incense in every direction, And the Gods smelled the sweet fragrance.
They smelled the sweet fragrance and clustered around the offering like flies.
Belet-ili arrived. She held up in the air the great fly ornament Anu had made in his ardor.
“I swear by this precious necklace of lapis,
I shall be mindful of these days and never forget, not ever!”
When Enlil arrived, my wife and I joined the assembly of gods.
He touched my brow and her brow saying, “Hitherto, Ziusudra has been a human being.
Now he shall be known as Utnapishtim, and he and his wife shall become like us gods.”
Then we were taken faraway.
To the source of the great rivers we were taken.
To the Gihon, Pishon, the Tigris and Euphrates.
In that faraway place we dwell.
There, at the source of the four mighty rivers we dwell.
Upon our arrival there, at the place beyond all lands,
Enlil said to me, to Utnapishtim, he did say,
“You, ‘The Distant One,’ shall now do your lord Ea’s work.
Once wisdom came from a thin reed wall, you will do the like.
Take directions for another, a whole new ship.
Inscribe them in tablets of lapis lazuli.
Inscribe them on the appointed tablets.
Then lay them inside a copper box upon reeds and branches of cedar and myrtle.
Transfer knowledge. Share wealth. Store them safe, faraway
in the city of the mightiest hero of all, who saw what was secret and revealed what was hidden.
Inspect the foundations, set forth by seven masters with masonry of fired-kiln brick. See how it’s facing gleams like copper in the sun?
Climb the stone staircase. Look out at the land it encloses.
Admire the gardens, shops and temples, all of the magnificent places!
Identify the cornerstone.
Look underneath.”
Now at that time, in those days, the world was still anew.
When Enlil brought forth the tablets, the lands had only just dried.
“Reed hut, reed hut. Wall, wall.
Reed hut hearken, wall reflect.
Tear down house. Build ship.
Give up possessions. Seek life.
Forswear worldly goods. Keep the soul alive.
A new storm looms, yet rains do not squall. Another deluge falls. Again rushing over the lands.
Heed warning and prepare your family’s cross.
Transplant joy of human hearts.
Take refuge in Nibiru’s embrace, the return of light in the firmament of the heavens. It has been...(unreadable)
End of tablet.

Sumerian Find: Tablet 2

From the first drink
when he first dipped beneath the mantle
for the firmament’s black nectar he was destined to come.
Centuries later, they did come
in the most violent fashion they came
and disrupted the ways of old.
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and the people of the land were confined to their homes.
The invaders fought one another
The invaders fought each other for the spoils of the land.
For the black nectar.
The gods looked sadly at what the people were doing
and took counsel among themselves
for the remedy
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All the while the invaders raged on
to the people’s horrified witness the invaders raged on
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When the ugly omen appeared in the desert
the usurpers took no heed.
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There in the place of Dilmun
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The great gods assembled
The great great gods assembled in Dilmun
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Ninhursag delivered the charge before Enki
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and the fate of the people was sealed.
End of fragment

Sumerian Find: Tablet 3

It had been established the nations would return.
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Nations of men would return to the womb
To Nibiru, the eternal creator mother goddess
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The Annunaki sent forth
from the heavens the Annunaki sent for their creation.
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An, Enlil, Enki and Ninhursag creators of the black-headed people.
Founders of Eridu, Bad-tibira, Larsa, Sippar, and Shuruppak.
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The first cities they founded.
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These were the bearers of nations
the mighty men of renown who expelled the Nephilim
and established divine temple ordinances, rituals and rites,
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These were the generations, the nations of multitudes.
These multitudes of nations pored forth through the heavens
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The Annunaki, An, Enlil, Enki and Ninhursag sent forth the divine messengers
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awaiting the return, the return of their offspring, the makers of man awaited
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with heavy hearts, laden with joy they awaited.

[allonons]

Sumerian Find: Tablet 4

A new deluge pored forth
From the heavens, a new deluge did come.
With Dilmun on their right and sacred Eridu on their left
The Annunaki were assembled.
Between the two pure places, the source of pure waters
From where the Gihon, Pishon, Tigris and Euphrates did flow
Anointing the land and the people in a purification bath.
These clean waters, the sustaining force of life did dry.
The mighty rivers dried
Now dust does blow in those places.
Where mighty rivers once did flow,
dust prevails in those places.
Marduk opened the gate and the sons of Dilmun poured forth
The sons of Dilmun,
The brave young men of that pure city
The brightest city of all
Came forth while the sons of Eridu readied the table
Recited the incantations, the forgotten rites of old.
Radiant with clean hands stands Ninhursag
before the Anunakki.
With her clean hands she prepares, oversees preparations for the proper incantations, offerings and rites.
In her clean hands gifts of cucumbers, apples and grapes.
The offspring, the creation of the Gods, the assembly, the assembled Annunaki, for them
she prepared (unreadable).
The nations, tribes of the earth embarked while the four mighty men held back both fires and winds
So that nothing stirred upon the earth.
Nor day or night, dark or light, stillness prevailed.
Until the nations, the tribes took flight.
From the earth the designated nations and tribes took flight
As a mountain of fire emerged from the sea
Cleansing the unclean, swallowing the firmament.
End of Tablet

Sumerian Find: Tablet 5

* The holy migration across the heavens,
the assembled Anunnaki,
the gods of the apsu were assembled in the sacred places of old and new.
Ea, Ninki, Inanna and Utu,
Enlil beside Ninlil, Adad beside Ninhursag.
Mother Goddess, (unreadable) the wise Mammi
administered divine rights in the light of consecrated fires
while the womb goddess, Belet-ili was present.
The ordained fires, made pure with reeds, cedar and myrtle were burning in the appointed places.
Under the watchfulness, the stewardship of the men of renown, the ancient progenitors,
Umal’s ancient progenitors administered the ordained fires.
At three and two points (unreadable) did the (unreadable) wise men make an offering of flour.
After the circle ritual, Umal, his nations and tribes took refuge.
At three and two points, places of (unreadable) on the way through the heavens,
Umal, his nations and tribes washed their hands,
learned the rites and rituals in these places (unreadable) throughout the holy migration.
There in those places, Umal, the nations of the earth and the tribes
were made clean again.
In those places, Umal was made clean in a purification bath,
fully immersed, he did emerge clean.
As the young men of Dilmun (unreadable)
readied the new ship, the new ships, the planned vessels,
Inscribed by Ut napishtim at the direction of Enlil on behalf of Ea,
were made ready in those designated places.
At two and three points (unreadable)
the brave young men of Dilmun readied the vessels
for the (unreadable) journey through the heavens, the holy migration.
The brave young men of Dilmun administered the (unreadable)
The second (unreadable) next (unreadable), the place of Umal’s toil was prepared.
Abundance was bestowed on the land and in the seas
seed, cereals and fruit bearing trees were bestowed upon the land and fishes of all kind in the seas.
Under the firmament Umal shall (unreadable...unreadable...unreadable) not go.
The gods of the apsu, the assembled anunnaki did decree:
To the heavens shall Umal look for his bread
and to the divine ordinances shall Umal find his justice.
No more shall Umal (unreadable) in the designated, the sacred places.