human sage strat advice

[desert_foxams]

hello, can i have help make a strat for human sage? heavy attacker with minor tm


questions:human sage
1. is it advisable to invest in science even on protection? if so how much?
2. i was to pump strong sciences early in the game, if so, what science should i concentrate first? is it advisable?


need build strat for 600 acre OOP
need build strat 800 to 1000 acres attacker.


thank you so much

[gergnub]

1. yes, use sustained sci. id go mainly alch in prot, some on be + pop. tho dunno if usufull for human to go higher than sustained, might be.
2. main categories are alch + pop + be. a little in food, thievery + magic as needed. concentrate on getting the three categories good before really concentrating on the others.

me no do build strats. me wing it.

[desert_foxams]

sustained science in protection? woundt i lose too much GC to train troops?

how bout building strat?

VT2 i need your help :)

[VT2]

You'll end up with excess money once all your stuff's been trained, anyway.
Run sustained or active.

Income is the main science.

[KuhaN]

oh hear ye hear ye VT2, where art thou?

[desert_foxams]

can you advice me on a building strat?


need build strat for 600 acre OOP
need build strat 800 to 1000 acres attacker.

hello :) really need your advice.


i plan to have

homes 5
farms 5
barracks 20
tg 20
banks 20
guilds 7
towers 5
stables 8
hospitals 5
libraries 5

this is for 1000 acres. heavy atacker with minor tm

can you advice me for OOP?
600 acres OOP what is the optimal biult? you said sustained or active science for income? not channeling?



need build strat for 600 acre OOP
need build strat 800 to 1000 acres attacker.

thanks so much!

[VT2]

'Heavy attacker' is weak, and new players don't understand the concept, so go with no T, no M, a lower draft than the rest of the server, and just build army.
5% homes won't do anything.
5% libraries won't do anything, especially not when you have low or no science.
5% farms won't be enough this early.
5% hospitals won't do anything.
7% guilds won't let you cast self-spells, or even increase your WPA at a sufficient rate.

I don't do 'strats' - I run what's effective at any given point in time. Until you've trained a satisfying amount of units, run 30% banks, and 30% armories.
Everything else is of little concern the first week.

[swanorcolt1]

Day1 Build:

30% banks
20%arms <--- optional some people prefer no arms
20%guilds
10%towers
10%farms
10%homes<-- try to get rid of these no need once pop is max

moving to, for OOP:

1. 7% Farms<--get some food sci in to help here
2. 30% Banks
3. 10% Arms
4. 15% Guilds
5. 10% Towers
6. 10% Stables
7. 10% TG
8. 8% rax

This is a very rough template of what you could do. I have a far more in depth guide but cbf finding it.

Remember this. Humans suck at magic so dont bother trying to get magic up much, just do guilds for self spells. No need for TG/Rax/Hosps/Dung/Stables/GS/Forts and to a lessor extent Homes during protection as they dont serve any real purpose in growing your province.

Invest sci into income first then look at BE and pop their your 3 primaries.

Aiming for 1k acres is a bit too much if you havnt played Human Sage before. I would recommend you aim for 600 maybe max 700 so itll allow you to grow into your strat instead of needing to raze acres.

[desert_foxams]

ahh ok so:

1. sustained or active science
2. banks and armories only matter for protection sage human


what else do i need to keep in mind?



also, question,
what is the accepted DPA levels at oop? how much def should i be aiming for? and if i play A/T how much tpa do i need oop?

[swanorcolt1]

1. Sustained UNTIL your lands are built so you have the additional income to cover active sci.
2. This is optional. Alot of ppl dont like arms, i do:D

3. In terms of the defence coming oop it really depends on your kingdom and what you plan on doing. Best defence = good offence. You could come out with 20k MO and 2k def and go untouched because ppl are afraid of retals, if your kd is hitting also it helps to cover yourself if you wanna come out firing. Set yourself some goals. e.g. 2tpa raw OOP and then go for army after that or 3k O specs~. Coming out with offence allows you to plunder inactives or hit others for land(but remember you can be hit back)

If you want to play it safe like REAL safe just train pure defence. But there will always be suiciders who can break you. Most will leave you alone thought particularly as there are always low def provs OOP that can be hit up easier.

[desert_foxams]

1. Sustained UNTIL your lands are built so you have the additional income to cover active sci.
2. This is optional. Alot of ppl dont like arms, i do:D

3. In terms of the defence coming oop it really depends on your kingdom and what you plan on doing. Best defence = good offence. You could come out with 20k MO and 2k def and go untouched because ppl are afraid of retals, if your kd is hitting also it helps to cover yourself if you wanna come out firing. Set yourself some goals. e.g. 2tpa raw OOP and then go for army after that or 3k O specs~. Coming out with offence allows you to plunder inactives or hit others for land(but remember you can be hit back)

If you want to play it safe like REAL safe just train pure defence. But there will always be suiciders who can break you. Most will leave you alone thought particularly as there are always low def provs OOP that can be hit up easier.

i think kingdom strat will be def for 7 day before attack. so i have more than enough time to biuld up defs

after my lands are biult i can make move active science from sustained?

[swanorcolt1]

Well you will notice right now if you go sustained its 1800gc/h out of 11820gc
active would be 3640gc/h which would be ~ 1/4 of your daily gc intake taken this early.

You don't wanna sacrifice too much gc this early particularly as it is only 40 more books per hour extra that you will get from active. But once your land(280a) is built up you should have ALOT more gc per hr because your peasantry would have filled up.

It shouldn't take a week to get def up. By 1 day RL OOP you should have more than enough defense. But if your doing a sci pump/elites then it may take a bit longer

[desert_foxams]

Well you will notice right now if you go sustained its 1800gc/h out of 11820gc
active would be 3640gc/h which would be ~ 1/4 of your daily gc intake taken this early.

You don't wanna sacrifice too much gc this early particularly as it is only 40 more books per hour extra that you will get from active. But once your land(280a) is built up you should have ALOT more gc per hr because your peasantry would have filled up.

It shouldn't take a week to get def up. By 1 day RL OOP you should have more than enough defense. But if your doing a sci pump/elites then it may take a bit longer

what do you mean by #By 1 day RL OOP#?

also, u think i can switch to active once my acres is biult up?

[swanorcolt1]

RL=real life. So 24hours OOP you should have decent defences by then.

Yes 24 hours into your protection phase you should be able to switch to active science drafting

[jazcat23]

im going to follow this strat as well

was going to go human/artisan but im done with that idea