Who's winning?

[Scavenger]

Oh, and I haven't played at all this age and I don't know anything about what has happened so far. :) I couldn't care less.

Tata!

Hence the op.

[_greenie]

DH, minus province you defected.

we gained more than enough acres to make it worth defecting that province =)

[MorbidAngel]

aabs sucked. I share your opinion there. But it's fun how you decided to **** up us rather than abs. I understand that you wanted those 3 spots in t10, but don't blame us for you ****ing us up cos you had no one to hit..

[KuhaN]

You realize every top absalom kingdom ate about 200 multi hits each this age, being in abs isn't necessarily an advantage in growing, other than you don't fight rage or sanc. Other kds avoid this by staying too small so that they don't have to fight them.

The last 2 wars we've lost we've ended even in acres and been 150% of the size of the kd we lost to by the time they got out of EoW FW ready for their next one. I fail to see the point of beating someone in a war, such that by the time you're ready for your next war the kd you just beat is too big for you.

We just random, its not that its that hard to get big, you just have to be willing to be fat every once in a while. Most aren't willing because they're too worried about what a war loss will do to their reputation, or too worried about fighting the top tier abs kds.

You guys random and do not have to worry about other kingdoms hitting you around your size. Every time we hit a damn kingdom some other kingdom much bigger than us hits us while our armies are away, and only like 2 hours later. It's impossible to random at top and not have to worry about kingdoms a couple or more spots above you in the charts, unless you're in abs ofcourse, or in good relations with other kingdoms (takes away from the 'fun' factor). So far this round we've been waved by every kingdom in the top 10, and nobody around their size takes advantage of that (them having their armies out and bottomfeeding on us while our armies are out or having just left a real war) because they're either in an alliance or in a NAP with everybody around their size, or are too worried about bull**** 'honorable' rules that monarchs made up (aka vulturing, double hostiling, etc).

Let's cut off all of top 10, and say we're only left with top 20-50, do you really think we can hit a kingdom that's 30th in size while we're 20ish (or if we random/whore ghettos) and expect to get away with it while there are hungry ass kingdoms in the top 10-20?
You guys take advantage of double-triple hostiling, vulturing, bull**** and supposedly 'honorable' rules by encouraging bad play more than any other kingdoms in the game, and don't have to worry about it yourselves.

Anyways, I'm not complaining or anything, I'm just pointing out the obvious, I really don't care if you guys are doing what you're doing, I think it's smart actually, win in any method possible, that's what every kingdom in utopia should be thinking about (land/nw obviously), it'd make the game funner, atleast imo.

Oh, and btw, I never said anything about 'winning' wars, I said you guys rarely come out ahead in acres when in a war against a 'real' kingdom. Get rid of diplomacy, alliances, and have a big FFA for land/nw crown should be the way to play this game. Sanct winning crown (say the best kingdom in the game, Sonata, didn't exist) should be a loss for Rage, Equil, and Mercy, as #2, #3, and #4 doesn't mean ****. B&S should just get rid of the charts altogether, there should only really be two memorable things, #1 in land, and #1 in networth, everything else should be erased at the start of the new age.

And of course being in Absalom is a f'ing advantage, otherwise you wouldn't be in it.

[Shanamaj]

Hi thread:D

[KuhaN]

1 Sonata
2 whocares?
3 whocares?
4 whocares?
5 whocares?
6 whocares?
7 whocares?
8 whocares?
9 whocares?
10 whocares?

^answer to your question stoffi, or OP.

[TheRock]

You guys random and do not have to worry about other kingdoms hitting you around your size. Every time we hit a damn kingdom some other kingdom much bigger than us hits us while our armies are away, and only like 2 hours later. It's impossible to random at top and not have to worry about kingdoms a couple or more spots above you in the charts, unless you're in abs ofcourse, or in good relations with other kingdoms (takes away from the 'fun' factor). 
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Let's cut off all of top 10, and say we're only left with top 20-50, do you really think we can hit a kingdom that's 30th in size while we're 20ish (or if we random/whore ghettos) and expect to get away with it while there are hungry ass kingdoms in the top 10-20?
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Anyways, I'm not complaining or anything, I'm just pointing out the obvious, I really don't care if you guys are doing what you're doing, I think it's smart actually, win in any method possible, that's what every kingdom in utopia should be thinking about (land/nw obviously), it'd make the game funner, atleast imo.
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And of course being in Absalom is a f'ing advantage, otherwise you wouldn't be in it. 

1 - that's why you see a lot of Absalom kds push for the top early. Much easier to not get waved when you're out of range of a bunch of kingdoms.
2 - it's not like we don't all start at the same 10k acres per kd. Getting away from that 10-50 pack is important.
3 - seriously, you think Abs is the only alliance? Ask Sonata why they haven't waved ZZ, Secrets, Old School or Odyssey (some others I'm forgetting). Just because they don't tag Sonata WTF doesn't mean they aren't in an alliance :p At least give Abs some credit - you'll consistently see 4-5 Abs kds in the top 10, generally with 2-4 in the top 5.
4 - It's totally possible to random without worrying about the guys around you. Get CF deals with your threats, avoid the guys in war and go random. Not hard. Ask Playboys, who did it nicely this age, or Secrets how tough it's been.
5 - idk about everyone else but I'm in Abs to make money. flogger owes me $12 currently.

EDIT OH MY GOD I HAVE NO IDEA HOW I DID THAT BUT THAT'S AWESOME SO I'M LEAVING IT.

[KuhaN]

Hats off to Pulse though, most badass kingdom in game, if not close to the best then. Didn't know every single kingdom in top 10 was in an alliance besides Pulse, ROFL.

[lovefool]

Long live ABS!!!!

[pmyraje]

Whoever invented the naff idea of signatures for forums should have been drowned at birth for the common good of humanity!

[MorbidAngel]

pmyraje, you can disable them in CP (lol?). same with avatars

[pmyraje]

Aye, I just took at look at the options and opted to remove "extraneous clutter".

Anyway, getting very off-topic. We must allow this thread to return to its noble purpose as an alliance love-in

[_greenie]

3 - seriously, you think Abs is the only alliance? Ask Sonata why they haven't waved ZZ, Secrets, Old School or Odyssey (some others I'm forgetting). Just because they don't tag Sonata WTF doesn't mean they aren't in an alliance :p At least give Abs some credit - you'll consistently see 4-5 Abs kds in the top 10, generally with 2-4 in the top 5.

we gave realest the best nudies in the game as a bribe

[johnnywonder]

4 - ..... Ask Playboys, who did it nicely this age, or Secrets how tough it's been.

what i get from that is that pbs sent an xlog farm against their biggest threat. thanks for THAT clarification.

EDIT OH MY GOD I HAVE NO IDEA HOW I DID THAT BUT THAT'S AWESOME SO I'M LEAVING IT.

and, yes, it is awesome, kinda hard to read though :(

and i am loving all this wonderful <3 from everyone. wish that B&S could figure a way for legal multi, then i could play everywhere ppl <3 me.

[TheRock]

johnnywonder - I fail to see what that has to do with randoming

I also failed to see any multi shells sent at my kd. Unless you are suggesting that Secrets is superior to Mercy, in which case I will suggest you shut the **** up <3 imo trade DHaran into the bank and do flogger vs dharan for eoa fun