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    SoT's bugged?

    Ok so I got a SoT with 50% thieves. In order to find the minimal defense I'd be getting on the SoT I got several more. It appears that the random variable is more than 3%? Here are the results

    First:
    Total Modified Offense: 70,835 (68.11 per Acre)
    Practical (100% elites): 70,835 (68.11 per Acre)
    Total Modified Defense: 53,658 (51.59 per Acre)
    Practical (0% elites): 36,853 (35.44 per Acre)

    I then Ns'd some for the heck of it cos I had too much stealth and nothing to do :p

    Second:
    Total Modified Offense: 59,775 (55.50 per Acre)
    Practical (100% elites): 59,775 (55.50 per Acre)
    Total Modified Defense: 54,957 (51.03 per Acre)
    Practical (0% elites): 37,781 (35.08 per Acre)

    Third:

    Total Modified Offense: 68,343 (68.14 per Acre)
    Practical (100% elites): 68,343 (68.14 per Acre)
    Total Modified Defense: 56,973 (56.80 per Acre)
    Practical (0% elites): 40,382 (40.26 per Acre)

    Fourth:

    Total Modified Offense: 66,146 (73.74 per Acre)
    Practical (100% elites): 66,146 (73.74 per Acre)
    Total Modified Defense: 61,251 (68.28 per Acre)
    Practical (0% elites): 40,865 (45.56 per Acre)

    Fifth:

    Total Modified Offense: 58,681 (57.93 per Acre)
    Practical (100% elites): 58,681 (57.93 per Acre)
    Total Modified Defense: 55,755 (55.04 per Acre)
    Practical (0% elites): 37,054 (36.58 per Acre)

    Sixth:

    Total Modified Offense: 69,381 (76.49 per Acre)
    Practical (100% elites): 69,381 (76.49 per Acre)
    Total Modified Defense: 57,502 (63.40 per Acre)
    Practical (0% elites): 37,979 (41.87 per Acre)

    Seventh:

    Total Modified Offense: 68,624 (68.22 per Acre)
    Practical (100% elites): 68,624 (68.22 per Acre)
    Total Modified Defense: 55,152 (54.82 per Acre)
    Practical (0% elites): 36,406 (36.19 per Acre)

    Eighth:

    Total Modified Offense: 66,850 (68.71 per Acre)
    Practical (100% elites): 66,850 (68.71 per Acre)
    Total Modified Defense: 58,970 (60.61 per Acre)
    Practical (0% elites): 40,337 (41.46 per Acre)

    So from looking at these figures...lowest to highest defense: 53658, 54957, 55152, 55755, 56973, 57502, 58970, 61251.

    Assuming 61251 is close to 3% above the defense it should have been...

    61251/1.062 = 57675.141243
    This should have been the smallest figure I could have gotten?

    now if we use the lowest one...

    53658*1.062 = 56984.796
    This should have been the largest figure I could have gotten?

    Further information:
    I used more than 50% of my thieves to get these SoT's and my kd mate broke the target with 59k MO (using 55k for the calculation)
    The target in question is a dwarf/sage that did not login between these SoT's which I took in a couple of minutes. Neither was there a hit on him/her nor any changes in stances.

    So can I assume that these SoT's are either bugged or the devs are trying to f* with us and make us fail some? I'd like to see if anyone else can replicate these problems.

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    SoT is confirmed bugged.

    This is performed onto a friend's province (intra kingdom), with the following as the accurate intel:

    Off. Points 35,227
    Def. Points 32,727

    I proceeded to take SoTs using 50% Thieves, and the following is what I get:

    1st Attempt (50% Thieves)
    Total Modified Offense: 30,965
    Total Modified Defense: 38,980

    2nd Attempt (50% Thieves)
    Total Modified Offense: 38,362
    Total Modified Defense: 39,085

    3rd Attempt (More than 50% Thieves)
    Total Modified Offense: 32,505 (39.54 per Acre)
    Total Modified Defense: 36,877 (44.86 per Acre)

    4th Attempt (50% Thieves):
    Total Modified Offense: 39,378 (47.50 per Acre)
    Total Modified Defense: 28,533 (34.42 per Acre)

    5th Attempt:(50% Thieves):
    Total Modified Offense: 34,287
    Total Modified Defense: 36,150

    Now, given all of these data, I do believe that SoTs are definitely bugged. Could Brian and Sean please fix this up asap.

    My friend's support ID: 9520604A
    My support ID: 7D4890FE
    Last edited by Doom Scythe; 13-06-2010 at 14:17.

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    Hmm... so far I haven't failed any attacks, and I usually oversend about 10%.. .and all my CBs are with 50% thieves. I don;t see why they had t add in a random factor :/

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    So any updates on this?! I think its a huge issue that needs to be solved..

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    will ask for comment from devs
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    This is good data; good work. I'm taking a look at this now and will update you when I can.

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    Could it have something to do with each unit within a SoT being randomized by a different value versus randomizing the total. Mathematically I think the min and max would still be the same but it might mask the error since you'd be more likely to get variance in the middle ranges.

    Edit: With how often the SoTs are off though, maybe not... I just tested them too and they do seem a bit over 3% even with 100% sent. I lost most of my data or I'd post it here.
    Last edited by Kaladin; 14-06-2010 at 12:20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doom Scythe View Post

    3rd Attempt (More than 50% Thieves)
    Total Modified Offense: 32,505 (39.54 per Acre)
    Total Modified Defense: 36,877 (44.86 per Acre)

    4th Attempt (50% Thieves):
    Total Modified Offense: 39,378 (47.50 per Acre)
    Total Modified Defense: 28,533 (34.42 per Acre)
    You know what the actual acres were that your friend had at the time of the SoT? I presume the above opa and dpa are derived from the SoT result?

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    The above opa and dpa was from the SoT's yeah, and acreage was random in the SoT's aswell.
    the actual acreage was: 778 acres.

    I'm that friend btw ;)

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    Brian, yes the opa and dpa is derived from the SoT result. And as pint said (he was my test subject), his acres was 778 at that time. You can actually ignore the displayed opa and dpa actually, since that the the result calculated using a third party software called Utopia Angel (which every Utopia player use). The absolute defence and offence is definitely accurate. I've double checked it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doom Scythe View Post
    Brian, yes the opa and dpa is derived from the SoT result. And as pint said (he was my test subject), his acres was 778 at that time. You can actually ignore the displayed opa and dpa actually, since that the the result calculated using a third party software called Utopia Angel (which every Utopia player use). The absolute defence and offence is definitely accurate. I've double checked it.
    Bishop has had someone run a test (3 SoTs with >= 50% thieves sent) and all results were all within range. Also, I don't see any problems with the code. It looks like your results were generated by Utopia Angel. Do you by chance have the original text (rather than the Angel output) copy-pasted anywhere?

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    Brian, I should mention that I did a test at the start of the age, and apparently all of them are within 3% (i.e. 97% and 103%). I did 3 takes of SoTs on another province today(which I did not know the true defence) but they all fall within a reasonable range. However, I am very sure that the data I presented to you is correct, and I checked the data that I typed into the forums before I posted it. This is a major report, and I post things that I'm not 100% sure of.

    Hence, this leads me to believe perhaps the core SoT code is not wrong, but perhaps there are some other bugs that affect SoTs display. From what I deduce from this, perhaps this is an intermittent bug, but nevertheless it is still a major bug.

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    Here is my info, sent 50 or greater thieves on a kdmate - all within 3% range it seems so i am unable to reproduce this bug

    real values from utopia throne room: 71565 off 60644 def

    SoT 1
    Off. Points 70,525
    Def. Points 62,030


    sot 2
    Off. Points 70,927
    Def. Points 60,778


    sot 3
    Off. Points 72,130
    Def. Points 62,387

    Sot 4
    Off. Points 73,150
    Def. Points 60,799

    If anyone can reproduce it that would be really helpful
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    Will test once I'm OOW, unless someone else gets to it before me :)

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    do your test during end of war CF, that are the conditions DoomScythe tested aswell. just to have data aquired in the same circumstances.

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