Is it still possible to PK a province?

[Sheister]

Barring the subject province frmo doing something stupid like refusing to release AND asking for soldier aid or some such stupidity, is it possible that if you chain hard and fast enough after a good strong fireball/kidnapping, that you can still PK? With Rze basically sucking now, it seems like you can't really do it in war anymore. Has something been changed in the game that makes this nearly impossible (barring stupidy of province?)

[Palem]

Yes, pk is still possible.

[spamely]

what exactly does it take for a province to die?

[redskullvw]

Interesting that someone else was wondering about this. Yes it is possible, and actually not that hard to do compared to past Ages. It isn't possible using old tactics, but there is a definite & obvious method to do so under the current environment. The last 10 peasants are hard to kill but it can be done.

[Bishop]

0 acres or 0 peasants. PK means province or peasant kill.

most people forget to turn off wizard drafting.

[Palem]

spamely - Either no land or no pezzies.

[Sheister]

well the thing is, with raze sucking, you can chain a province to under 200 acres from 1000 and it can basically just release all D (because 2 acre gains is no big deal) and still hold enough Offense to break an 800 acre province. It is silly. So this sub 200 acre province cansit with nothing at home and send out with immunity gaining 20 acres/shot and then what? suffer 6 acres loss. That should not be how this works (imho). That is why I am interested in this problem.

Granted, I have been away for a while so I may be just missing something. It is quite possible that I am being a noob. (even though I am not, I have been away so long, I basically am.....or something like that.)

[Bishop]

1 prov wont kill him - get some help.

[Palem]

...are you trying to kill me Sheister? lol

[spamely]

so thoretically if you just had a few elves coordinated enough within a couple of ticks. could you FB somebody to death?

[Ordray]

so thoretically if you just had a few elves coordinated enough within a couple of ticks. could you FB somebody to death?

No, you can't PK someone with FBs alone. Once they get down to a certain level of peasants, a few hundred I think, you cease to kill any. Same goes with kidnapping. At a certain point you reach 0 gains per op.
I guess that you could overpop someone enough to PK them if you used tornadoes/arson to destroy enough of their buildings and they didn't log in for a long while so that their peasants reached 0. Even more possible if someone is running high homes as you have a greater chance of destroying homes (or can target them with GA) and reducing max pop even further and faster.
But then again, it's likely that you can't do that either as they'd probably log in before the serious damage was done.

Gojete has been known to be PK'd a few times each age.
Also, it's very hard to PK someone who is drastically underpopulated already, especially when you're 3x or so their size and have to start out using razes instead of the higher gains from TMs. Like Gojete said, 15 acres/attack 4x/unique is hard to keep someone down, especially when they start with 4k soldiers and 1.7m gc to use to explore.

[Sheister]

I would not know. I am just saying that at between 100 and 200 acres the province should not be able to run around breaking provinces with 30-40 dpa raw that are 400% its networth and gain 20 acres and the return hits only gain 2 on top of which raze is useless now and so, I am trying to think of an efficient way to make these stupid provinces go away and die. I can't believe this obnoxious weakning of raze in wars.

[spamely]

I would not know. I am just saying that at between 100 and 200 acres the province should not be able to run around breaking provinces with 30-40 dpa raw that are 400% its networth and gain 20 acres and the return hits only gain 2 on top of which raze is useless now and so, I am trying to think of an efficient way to make these stupid provinces go away and die. I can't believe this obnoxious weakning of raze in wars.

this is the only way to fight off a chain... if a system to prevent this is put in place, the kingdom to get the first two chains in will pretty much always win...

[Ethan]

A "hard" overpop from a deep chain will force the province to release so much to get under the pop limit they either have to release offense, or release almost all their defense. If the latter, SOP is to just throw any extra generals at them that aren't needed for the next chain target. (Cause why keep perfectly good offense sitting around?) Since at least a few people are likely to have a good bit of offense to spare but be unable to doubletab, you can keep them down that way.

Also, if the enemy also chains, but not as well, your kingdom should hopefully have someone small to 4x him, and he'll only be 3xing back.

Usually true PK isn't worth the effort (according to conventional wisdom), finding a "low cost" containment strat after the chain works a lot better. This does assume the goal is to win a close war, other uses of pk of course require it by definition.

[Sheister]

in general I agree. My interest in PK stems from all the chained provinces I see that are holding enough O to still break provinces 3X to 4X their NW in war that have 25-40 dpa. and not just by sending everything in 1 attack, but doing 2 and 3 attacks. I was watching this undead just going no D, war-spoiling, and sendingthis O out all damn day with almost no consequences because we had to move on to the next chain targets and just sending one general to keep him down was not sufficnet when he is recovering 20/hit and we are taking 2/hit.he was gaining 60 and we would do 50 to him. Its just stupid. the gangbang protection is so strong that absent raze it is way too hard to make provinces that go no D pay the price for that. No one should be running 0 D..... ever.

The system now does not force provinces to release enough offense. I guess that is the only problem I see.