SoM question

[DDodge]

You know a guys army is out.

You send 20% + 1 thieves to get SoM...

** Summary **
Non-Peasants: 69.0%
Efficiency (SOM): 136.7% off, 147.2% def, 119.3% raw
Net Offense at Home (from Utopia): 6,158
Net Defense at Home (from Utopia): 46,863
Modified Attack Points (calculated): 60,745
Modified Defense Points (calculated): 76,136

** Standing Army (At Home) **
Archers: 6,097 (41,673 defense)
Knights: 564 (6,168 offense / 2,313 defense)
Total Attack Points: 6,168
Total Defense Points: 56,339

which number (highlighted in blue) do you multiply by 1.07 to get the mod def at home.
ive always done the Total defense points, which is usually much higher, but wanted to make sure im not doing it wrong. ive been getting the message in my war victory meaning that i oversent by a little.

thanks

[titanwraith]

the first

also... 1.07?

[pzak640]

3% inaccuracy due to sending 20% Thieves and 4% oversend prevents bounces due to randomness.

1.03*1.04 = 1.0712

So 1.07 is a safety factor.

I do the exact same thing and I use the total defence points. I've never really noticed the other number before, but now I'm curious what that value is.

[DDodge]

i know its been debated. what do u use?

[DDodge]

u sure its the first number?

"Net Defense at Home (from Utopia): 46,863"

[DDodge]

this is incredibly frustrating, how an SoM can return such different numbers. We got a new one on another guy and this time the first number is larger than the 2nd one.

[DjTeddySpin]

this is incredibly frustrating, how an SoM can return such different numbers. We got a new one on another guy and this time the first number is larger than the 2nd one.

Why not just use the smallest number? If they both go through the same 3%-inaccuracy function, it would not matter which of the both you take, and the one that has the smallest number will give you the closest answer after multiplying by 1.0712

To make some sense, lets imagine I have a net def of 200.
Your SOM turned up two values, 194 and 206.

194 * 1.0712 = 207.8128
206 * 1.0712 = 220.6672

By using the smallest number, it will give you the closest result. But this is all under the assumption that both numbers go through similar 3%-inaccuracy.

[pzak640]

You are making the assumption both values are within 3% of the actual defence when that is not necessarily true.

The problem with that logic Dj, is that if the first value is smaller and is not the true defence, you may bounce your attack entirely!

We need to understand what all the values on the som represent.

[DjTeddySpin]

Yes, I did mention that it was under the assumption that both values are within the 3% inaccuracy. Anyways, its not that difficult to find out. Several SoMs that's within a certain range would prove that. But it is very likely that they go through the same 3% inaccuracy. If you want to have both of them different you'd have to specifically code a new function just to make both of the numbers different(rather than having both run the same function).... With the intent to mislead people?

Well, we gotta find out for sure though.

ps. I use the first number

[toy]

Maybe this will help answer ur query - http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...go-by-from-SoM

[gergnub]

First blue!

[jasonthe13]

you use som to count the defence??!?!
i though som was alwys inaccurate
and it only shows real numbers for away army?

[Palar]

** Summary **
Non-Peasants: 69.0%
Efficiency (SOM): 136.7% off, 147.2% def, 119.3% raw
Net Offense at Home (from Utopia): 6,158
Net Defense at Home (from Utopia): 46,863
Modified Attack Points (calculated): 60,745
Modified Defense Points (calculated): 76,136

** Standing Army (At Home) **
Archers: 6,097 (41,673 defense)
Knights: 564 (6,168 offense / 2,313 defense)
Total Attack Points: 6,168
Total Defense Points: 56,339

Simple explanation: the first value is from utopia, the second value (from army in) is calculated by angel. Therefore you always use the first value.

[gergnub]

you use som to count the defence??!?!
i though som was alwys inaccurate
and it only shows real numbers for away army?

It is inaccurate like SoT's. But you can use it as using SoT's. 20%+1 thief, and add the 7% modifier and you're set.

[titanwraith]

lol 7% modifier wat