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    Yes, I'm really happy with this war, I hope we meet again soon!

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    Using our paper you get this for anyone who is interested:

    For the period of May 18 of YR2 to April 24 of YR3 (151 hours)
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    ** Unique Summary of Archangels **
    Total Unique Made: 243
    -- 14 unique: Charmed Archangel
    -- 14 unique: Archangel Azrael
    -- 13 unique: 9th Runefire Legion
    -- 13 unique: road
    -- 12 unique: Archangel Orkamungus
    -- 12 unique: Archangel Gombak
    -- 12 unique: WurzagWillTheiveYOU
    -- 12 unique: Archangel Legolas LMFAO
    -- 12 unique: Archangel Lucifer
    -- 12 unique: MayTheMalBeWithYou
    -- 11 unique: Archangel Plinko
    -- 11 unique: Stereoning
    -- 11 unique: Archangel Emperor
    -- 11 unique: Hidden Archangel
    -- 10 unique: Unholy Grounds
    -- 10 unique: Archangel Viking
    -- 10 unique: brasil and not Brazil
    -- 10 unique: Archangel Grimward
    -- 9 unique: NewArchAngel
    -- 8 unique: I Got Mine
    -- 8 unique: Archangel Jogo Bonito
    -- 5 unique: Archangel Khobai
    -- 2 unique: KoRnhangeL
    -- 1 unique: Archangel Charger STR10


    ** Unique Summary of Modesty **
    Total Unique Made: 244
    -- 15 unique: II PaperStacks
    -- 13 unique: Phase 6
    -- 13 unique: HonorableDeath
    -- 13 unique: Lord of the strings
    -- 13 unique: Metacarpal Sandwich
    -- 12 unique: RedORCisNowABlackORC
    -- 12 unique: Criminal Minds
    -- 12 unique: Humility
    -- 11 unique: GOOSE
    -- 11 unique: MAVERICK
    -- 11 unique: Shore Dreams
    -- 10 unique: Pinas Azkals 2
    -- 10 unique: ProcrastinateY
    -- 10 unique: TranzGeneRation
    -- 10 unique: FriskyIfBothered
    -- 9 unique: Astral Finish
    -- 9 unique: Kraash
    -- 9 unique: Nyx
    -- 9 unique: Infynation
    -- 8 unique: Joltcola
    -- 8 unique: SongoftheBudgie
    -- 8 unique: The Shire
    -- 5 unique: dibs
    -- 3 unique: Scrubnub

    For the period of May 18 of YR2 to April 24 of YR3 (151 hours)
    -- By UPCF [0.99c] http://www.k3ltic.com/utopia/prince

    ** Summary **

    Total Attacks Made: 465 (24906 acres)
    -- Traditional March: 393 (23855 acres)
    -- Conquest: 17 (588 acres)
    -- Ambush: 22 (463 acres)
    -- Raze: 8 (233 acres)
    -- Massacres: 7 (3620 people)
    -- Learns: 2
    -- Failed Attacks: 16 (3.4% failure)
    Total Attacks Suffered: 482 (23999 acres)
    -- Traditional March: 390 (21373 acres)
    -- Ambush: 64 (2626 acres)
    -- Massacres: 7 (17860 people)
    -- Plunders: 1
    -- Failed Attacks: 20 (4.1% failure)


    The Kingdom of Archangels

    Total acres exchanged: +907 acres (465/482)
    +788 acres: Anonymous province from Archangels (7/0)
    +472 acres: MayTheMalBeWithYou (14/0)
    +392 acres: Archangel Jogo Bonito (8/3)
    +368 acres: Stereoning (15/5)
    +321 acres: Archangel Gombak (23/25)
    +303 acres: Archangel Orkamungus (28/29)
    +212 acres: Archangel Legolas LMFAO (15/12)
    +100 acres: Archangel Grimward (14/15)
    +100 acres: WurzagWillTheiveYOU (12/8)
    +97 acres: 9th Runefire Legion (18/12)
    +74 acres: NewArchAngel (14/10)
    +46 acres: brasil and not Brazil (10/9)
    +4 acres: Archangel Khobai (6/6)
    -4 acres: Archangel Viking (20/25)
    -12 acres: Archangel Emperor (21/17)
    -17 acres: Charmed Archangel (22/30)
    -31 acres: Archangel Plinko (22/16)
    -51 acres: Archangel Lucifer (28/37)
    -173 acres: road (54/73)
    -178 acres: Archangel Azrael (49/63)
    -225 acres: Unholy Grounds (15/3)
    -317 acres: Hidden Archangel (33/48)
    -334 acres: KoRnhangeL (5/10)
    -512 acres: I Got Mine (11/17)
    -516 acres: Archangel Charger STR10 (1/9)


    The Kingdom of Modesty

    Total acres exchanged: -1140 acres (482/465)
    +398 acres: Joltcola (9/1)
    +389 acres: II PaperStacks (39/23)
    +389 acres: Anonymous province from Modesty (6/0)
    +313 acres: SongoftheBudgie (9/0)
    +306 acres: The Shire (12/4)
    +268 acres: RedORCisNowABlackORC (15/11)
    +243 acres: GOOSE (16/11)
    +235 acres: Infynation (12/6)
    +221 acres: MAVERICK (17/21)
    +204 acres: Scrubnub (4/0)
    +113 acres: Nyx (9/6)
    +113 acres: Astral Finish (12/5)
    +57 acres: Humility (23/16)
    +54 acres: Phase 6 (15/12)
    +27 acres: dibs (13/4)
    -82 acres: Lord of the strings (25/23)
    -123 acres: HonorableDeath (16/15)
    -200 acres: FriskyIfBothered (28/45)
    -238 acres: Shore Dreams (22/17)
    -285 acres: Criminal Minds (29/36)
    -410 acres: Metacarpal Sandwich (35/36)
    -622 acres: Pinas Azkals 2 (28/28)
    -704 acres: Kraash (23/24)
    -724 acres: ProcrastinateY (35/73)
    -1082 acres: TranzGeneRation (30/48)
    Last edited by Palem; 23-08-2011 at 13:11. Reason: locs

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    Azrael of Archangels: "As soon as we were ready they hit us, just the night before we waved another KD."
    This could use some clarification. We (Archangels) were completely ready for war. We had a target in mind, and a wave date set. About 12 hours before our wave date, Modesty did a couple of hits into us. We decided to war them, instead of waving a different KD. They did NOT hit us after we waved someone. They hit us BEFORE we waved anyone.

    Congrats to Modesty! Your MS/chastity coverage was very very good. I was the Archangel province (I Got Mine) who went inactive for a couple days because I lost internet access. I am sad to have missed part of such a great war.
    The KDs must've been loaded if they could send that many dragons
    No both KDs were very short on GC after the first 12 hours. We were only able to send lots of dragons because all provinces were donating as much gc as they could.
    and also WOW at all the dragons, our last war we used 1, and it took us 2 days to even launch it... hahaha
    That's really bad! You should require everyone to post how much GC they donate to the dragons. After war calculate how much each province sent, and demand an explanation from people who aren't pulling their weight.

    I would like to ask the significance of gold dragons to this war effort? was it a dwarf heavy war? or just do people feel gold dragons are best in general?... we never use them.
    Modesty had 7 dwarves and Archangels had 0 dwarves. Before the war we had been discussing the possibility of testing gold dragons. It is the dragon that we use the least, so we wanted to see how well we could make it work. I am not really sure why we kept sending gold after gold because I was not able to be very involved in this war. We use ruby dragon most. After that emerald is the 2nd most common for us to use. This is the first war in a long long time (maybe forever) that we have not sent a single ruby or emerald dragon.

    We definitely should rematch in the future. This was a great war.
    Last edited by sandwich; 23-08-2011 at 02:33. Reason: F***ing typos

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    Every dragon is useful in different situations. My personal opinion is that Gold dragons are probably the strongest dragons if the dragon isn't going to be killed. It's not really a matter of what race the target is, it's more about the buildings they use. In particular, many provinces will have a strat that largely centers around a particular type of building and a 25% reduction in its effectiveness can majorly disrupt the province.

    As a few simple examples, mages may build the appropriate number of Towers to cast the spells they need, but a 25% reduction in Tower output can majorly mess this up. For Rogues, a reduction in their Thieve's Dens can cause them to go from losing only 5% thieves per op (practically losing nothing) to losing more like 25%, a 5x increase in the amount of thieves lost. If you're using GS, Watchtowers, or Hospitals to any significant extent, you can find yourself suddenly vulnerable to chaining, thievery ops, and troop losses, respectively, whereas your strategy involves being basically immune to these factors. This is of course ontop of the standard "having less effects" results that a 25% loss in BE can have, most notably that all of your "military" buildings (i.e. Forts, Barracks, Training Grounds) are less effective, giving it a similar effect to Ruby dragons but most likely weaker unless the target is running an absurdly high number of these buildings.

    The downside of a Gold dragon is that unlike the other dragons it needs to stay alive for a long time to be effective. Going 2 hours with less Runes isn't going to have much of an effect, but chaining over the two hours that a Ruby is up can be.

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    Great article and great war

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirinad View Post
    Every dragon is useful in different situations..... 25% reduction in its effectiveness can majorly disrupt the province.....
    I'm pretty sure its 25% of a provinces current BE % and not current BE % - the full 25% (25% of crap BE % is still crap! lol) I would use gold against Dwarves/high BE % kingdom strat and nothing else.

    I'm not saying its useless but its only really decent in certain situations.

    I could be wrong though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuzzy| View Post
    I'm pretty sure its 25% of a provinces current BE % and not current BE % - the full 25% (25% of crap BE % is still crap! lol) I would use gold against Dwarves/high BE % kingdom strat and nothing else.
    This is what it says on the wiki. I'm not sure if it's true or not. That being said, what I stated is ONLY accurate if it's like you say. That is, let's call percent in the standard sense of the word with BE "P"; that is, if you have 120% of BE, we'll call it 120P (so it doesn't get confused). From what you're saying, a 25% reduction (in the percentage sense of the word) in BE would still bring 120P down to 90P. Since all building outputs are multiplied by your BE, a 25% reduction in your BE is a 25% reduction in the output regardless of what your BE is. That is, even if your BE is only 50P (which would correspond to no peasants or science and is thus highly unlikely), a Gold Dragon still reduces it by 25% down to 37.5P; thus, if your Towers are producing 1000 Runes and a Gold Dragon hits, they now only produce 750 Runes; it doesn't matter if your BE is 50P or 150P, that fact is still the same.

    On a side note, if the Gold Dragon reduces BE by 25P and not 25%, then it's actually weakest against Dwarves and people with high BE. That is, for example, if your BE is 50P and I reduce it to 25P with a Gold Dragon, then that's actually cutting your BE in half. Whereas, if you use it against a person with 150P BE, it reduces it to 125P, and that's only a 17% reduction, less of a reduction in output. Of course, this is counter-balanced by the fact that it's operating on an overall higher output (that is, the province with 150P BE obviously produces more than the one with 50P), but the mechanical change to how the province runs is far less severe on the high BE province in this case.
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    yeah like if u have 120 potatoes but its hit by a 25% reduction due to rats
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