New Anticheat Measure Going Live Today

[Bishop]

If you would like to comment on the new cheat prevention measures please do so here so we can gather opinions and ideas in one place - thanks.

[Judge]

I am sorry but i dont seem to remember what the new anticheat measure is.. Can you please give a wee bit explanation??

[Bishop]

click link in initial post

[Decibel]

Edit: I had a feeling that not mentioning the measures was intentional, but I was wrong.

:)

[FinalFantasyWorld]

Based on the examples, it is safe to assume that if a husband and wife were to be in the same kd, one can be T/M while the other can be Attacker and not be caught in the net? Otherwise, we may have to change our strategy midwar.

[Bishop]

Right, they would be blocked from interacting - if they target different provinces they have no issues.

[E_Boko]

please tell me that in war you can target the same province and send aid and so forth.

[Bishop]

As I just said, they would be blocked from interacting

[E_Boko]

in war time when provinces ban together to chain or op the same target for a specific goal, it wont be allowed?

[Decibel]

in war time when provinces ban together to chain or op the same target for a specific goal, it wont be allowed?

If I understood correctly it will not be allowed if all outgoing attacks of your KD stem from provinces connected via the same IP address. Otherwise there's no problem.

[Bishop]

in war time when provinces ban together to chain or op the same target for a specific goal, it wont be allowed?

These messages tell you that the action you were trying to perform in-game was blocked because either:

You have directly shared an IP address with the province you are attacking or aiding
You are attacking a province who has recently been attacked by other provinces that have shared IPs with you.

ok im playing dumb on purpose here. you seriously are going to stop people that are whitelisted, legitimately whitelisted as they are multiple people playing the same game, from interacting with each other or similar targets IN WAR which is kinda mandatory in war time. why not lift the restrictions in war and make whitelisting harder then?

Hit someone else, not a big deal.

[Palem]

Well, that would be like saying "You're blocked from cheating now (except in war)!"

[khronosschoty]

Well, that would be like saying "You're blocked from cheating now (except in war)!"

I thought having more then one account or having someone I know log in and play my account was against the rules? I did not know targetting the same target as people I know was cheating. I've grown to know everyone in my kingdom, albeit, I have never met any of them in person, I talk with them over MSN, IRC and other networks, and, even, play other online games with some of them.

While I can understand why these measures have been put in place, how does two provinces who are interactive with each other constitute cheating? Is interacting via phone with other players cheating? is using IRC with other players cheating? I thought the only flaw in the old White list system was that two players sharing the same IP could log into each others account, and, no one would know if they were actually logging into each others account -- because the system was taking their actions at their word -- that is, they were trusting that they would not perform those actions deemed against the rules. ------> Now since when did effecting the same target or being able to send aid to each other actually mean they were cheating? LOL now that I think about this -- you have in no way stopped cheating. I do not share any IPs with anyone, but, if I did: you would not have stopped me: I could still send aid to other people, by way, of others in my Kingdom; okay now, (maybe) you stopped me from targeting the same target, but, all you did stop: was me from performing a legal operation, am I wrong?

[Bishop]

I thought having more then one account or having someone I know log in and play my account was against the rules? I did not know targetting the same target as people I know was cheating. I've grown to know everyone in my kingdom, albeit, I have never met any of them in person, I talk with them over MSN, IRC and other networks, and, even, play other online games with some of them.

While I can understand why these measures have been put in place, how does two provinces who are interactive with each other constitute cheating? Is interacting via phone with other players cheating? is using IRC with other players cheating? I thought the only flaw in the old White list system was that two players sharing the same IP could log into each others account, and, no one would know if they were actually logging into each others account -- because the system was taking their actions at their word -- that is, they were trusting that they would not perform those actions deemed against the rules. ------> Now since when did effecting the same target or being able to send aid to each other actually mean they were cheating? LOL now that I think about this -- you have in no way stopped cheating. I do not share any IPs with anyone, but, if I did: you would not have stopped me: I could still send aid to other people, by way, of others in my Kingdom; okay now, (maybe) you stopped me from targeting the same target, but, all you did stop: was me from performing a legal operation, am I wrong?

You seem to be missing a key element - only same IP interactions are blocked.

[khronosschoty]

You seem to be missing a key element - only same IP interactions are blocked.

I really respect you Bishop, so please do not take offense; but, What is the difference between me and my friends talking to each other (any hour of the day) via phone, IRC, and forums, any different then people sharing the same house? Okay I see, how those sharing the same IP, example: those living together, gives cause for greater potential abuse, and, I see how it makes it far easier for some one(s) to hide cheating; and, I see, how your new system, limits the damage done via cheating; however, it does not actually stop people from having multiple accounts, and, it does not stop people from sharing accounts.

So to rephrase the above: this system only stops legit use of the system, albeit, it hurts abuse of legit activity it does not actually stop those activities it sets out to stop. Actually the way I see it is: this only attempts to stop the bad effects of cheating -- not the actual cheating; maybe, it is hoped by restricting certain activities (those activities cheaters aim for), the cheaters will simple stop, however, I do not see that this will actual stop hardcore cheaters at all.

Again let me rephrase this: the activities being restricted are, in them selves, legal: team attacks, team ops, aiding, talking, sharing... there is only actually two things that are not legal, that I have mentioned in my post: having more then one account, and, sharing accounts with others. This new system will not stop those, afore mentioned, activities, deemed not legal.