Are you stealing all your money, or do you make any?Originally Posted by jmiedema
Are you stealing all your money, or do you make any?
- "He's kinda awesome..."
I net about 20k/tick after wages/draft
^ As Sage he doesn't have to worry just about DPA, but also DPNW. Sages can have incredibly high DPA, but due to the high science and population numbers adding to NW they need more defense to go with that NW.
That is one of the reasons why a certain DPA value is not all that relevant for a TM. What a TM wants to do is deter the attackers who'd actually do damage to them, that is attackers in their NW range. A bigger province massacring or landgrabbing you will not be nearly as damaging.
That isn't to say DPA isn't worth considering, it's just not the only factor in play. For example, DPNW is a more relevant consideration for stopping massacre losses, while DPA equals DPNW when it comes to reducing land losses. You'll want to keep both a decent DPA (1.5-2x what your attackers are using), and a decent DPNW.
Last edited by Sadliar; 08-01-2012 at 14:32.
Actually, only raw def matters. If you can be broken, you're toast. Presuming you keep your T/M in top 5% of kd's provs, you need a higher dp/nw than a pumped attacker same size can run op/nw. If you keep T/M's in lower nw, need relatively higher. If you war a kd without big hitters, need less. Simplified this translates to 120+ dpa, but as Sadliar states this is not really the correct factor.
I'd say around 0.6dpNW is respectable, it does include a number of dpa's mentioned already and here's how.
1000(acres) * 150nwpa = 150000(nw).
150000(nw) * 0.6(dpNW) = 90000 (90DPA)
1000(acres) * 170nwpa = 170000(nw).
170000(nw) * 0.6(dpNW) = 102000 (102DPA rounded to 100)
1000(acres) * 180nwpa = 180000(nw).
180000(nw) * 0.6(dpNW) = 108000 (108DPA rounded to 110)
Depending on how pumped you are to how much defence I'd say you'd need to act as a respectable deterant.
"A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be."
I run at most ~40-45% draft oow as a t/m. If you can't pump sci and hit the needed numbers you're probably pretty worthless as a t/m... intensive<->emergency as much as possible and enough GC or TB to be able to convert on short notice to a higher draft as needed, that's all.
I run 130 dpa mod, 7 tpa raw, 3-4 wpa raw (fluctuates).
Around 38-40 tpa mod, and 25ish wpa mod.
Faery/Sage, the only way to do it. Any other combo's numbers will pale in comparison. 60% draft (though was as high as 66% to hit these numbers earlier in the age)
10 homes
10 banks
20 libs
23 guilds
5 farms
12 towers
10 forts
10 Theif Dens
DPA is more to protect your honor then your acreage. Protecting honor is vital to your t/m stats. If only much larger NW provs can break you, you will preserve your honor. But what do i know. Also, my idle/pumped nw/a is around 206 at the moment
Last edited by Ovenmitt; 12-01-2012 at 06:16.
lol Ovenmitt. You have max 4*2.6*1.5*1.16=17 mwpa and 7*2.6*1.25*1.1*1.16=29 mtpa, and that's presuming 160% mage/thief sci which is high even for sage. Still very nice numbers though!
Meeni: Ouch when you're found out and learned without being able to retal.
Last edited by Elurin; 12-01-2012 at 06:55.
Do you really have other options to be competitive? look at any t/ms in a good kingdom... others will do the same. Plus with sage and high schools learns are not that effective.
I pump rushed sci at 130+ dpa, works fine for faery. You just need to steal actively and run a proper build.
Elurin im a duke with 200%+ tm sci. Redo your math... lolol. You forgot mages fury as well for wizards
Try 3.8*1.5*3.03*1.1*1.27 for wiz and
7.02*2.89*1.1*1.32*1.27 for thiefs and tell me what you get. Lolol. I see 38.x and 24.x atm. 160 sci is not high. 20% libs and 400 bpa per cat is way more then that
Last edited by Ovenmitt; 12-01-2012 at 16:50.
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