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    So, who's a Republican here?

    I've been watching the Republican presidential candidate elections and I've yet to see a candidate who is not the Christian version of the Ayatollah of Iran. Where some want to make gay's illegal, others want to make abortion illegal, yet some want to erase the Evolution Theory from School and others won't even pretend to go for a solution both parties can live with in the Middle East.

    Are there ANY normal candidates on the Republican side or are they all fighting to be seen as a Christian Ayatollah or High Priest?

    The US is becoming more and more a bastion of fanatism, much like Saudi Arabia and Iran. If you check, radical Islamists have all those same opinions as mentioned above. USA is becoming the Christian Iran. :-/ This is going in the wrong direction....
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    Exactly my thoughts, some weird **** going on over there in the Republican base. It's like they're moving backwards instead of forward. Back to the middle ages where gay men and women should be slaughtered, small civilizations should be conquered and witches should be burned at the stake.

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    lol ^ Sounds like Greenpeace philosophies about energy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stoffi View Post
    I've been watching the Republican presidential candidate elections and I've yet to see a candidate who is not the Christian version of the Ayatollah of Iran. Where some want to make gay's illegal, others want to make abortion illegal, yet some want to erase the Evolution Theory from School and others won't even pretend to go for a solution both parties can live with in the Middle East.

    Are there ANY normal candidates on the Republican side or are they all fighting to be seen as a Christian Ayatollah or High Priest?

    The US is becoming more and more a bastion of fanatism, much like Saudi Arabia and Iran. If you check, radical Islamists have all those same opinions as mentioned above. USA is becoming the Christian Iran. :-/ This is going in the wrong direction....
    'chuckle' I smell Troll.

    Or is it a Bored Socialist Democrat?

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    I will be more than happy to talk American Politics but drop the BS. Realize that we Americans don't view our politics like you in the European world do.

    At this point 'ANYONE BUT OBAMA' will do nicely. I will say this I'm not happy with any of the GOP candidates and they all are talking like a bunch of Liberals while saying they are Conservatives. Ron Paul I like but on somethings hes crazy! Then there are is supporters and they are even more crazy! Like I said at this point 'ANYONE BUT OBAMA', within reason of course! 'chuckle'

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    This is no where near a troll post, this is the world's honest opinion about USA. You vote for guys who have the same opinions as the Ayatollah of Iran, only they call themselves Christians rather than Muslims. Ron Paul is the only non-fanatic lunatic in the race, as he is not a religious fanatic, but rather an anarchist who will see USA crumble and fall down.

    In 10-20-30 years, Iran, Saudi Arabia and USA might be 3 of the same, countries where religious fanatism rule, gays are outlawed and abortion is not allowed.
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    It just politics in America really. They use social issues to gain votes. There are many people in America who would do much better off with the economic policies of a democratic candidate, however they can't vote for them because of their social views. Many will only vote for someone who is against gay marriage, or against abortion, or other more conservative social views. This is a political move to gain votes of a large base of Americans. Many who have strong religious views are actually in the lower economic class and are voting only on the social aspects of candidates rather then whats actually 'best' for them.

    Politics changes all the time and it is always about picking the topics to gain the most votes or cause the most damage to the other side. You didn't hear about the debt increase during the 8 years Bush was president, but when Obama used Keynesian economics to help the economy all you heard about was the amount of debt. It works to scare people and create fights and use this to your advantage. Everyone understood the debt ceiling had to be raised but using the leverage gets things you want in politics and hurts the other side.

    Politics is best when you can scare people. Iran, Iraq, Debt, Religion, and Economy are all great methods of scaring people into believing that the other guy is doing a bad job. I would have to say though that Republicans have a much better strategic team then Democrats typically do. They are much better at getting their message out and pushing social issues to secure certain demographics and states. Some of the poorest states vote for people who in-turn vote for things that help big businesses and hurt their own interests. How you get people to vote against their own good has been a strength of Republicans for years and its predicated on using fear (at least for the last 30 years)

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    i think witches should still be burned at stakes though

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    Quote Originally Posted by stoffi View Post
    This is no where near a troll post, this is the world's honest opinion about USA. You vote for guys who have the same opinions as the Ayatollah of Iran, only they call themselves Christians rather than Muslims. Ron Paul is the only non-fanatic lunatic in the race, as he is not a religious fanatic, but rather an anarchist who will see USA crumble and fall down.

    In 10-20-30 years, Iran, Saudi Arabia and USA might be 3 of the same, countries where religious fanatism rule, gays are outlawed and abortion is not allowed.
    Sound like a Troll post, post a hostile post against a group to incite a hostile reaction. NO TACT, at all in that post and you sounded more how should I say very one sided and extremely opinionated. Ron Paul who I like and has some very Great ideas is still a nut job! 'chuckle'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drake View Post
    It just politics in America really. They use social issues to gain votes. There are many people in America who would do much better off with the economic policies of a democratic candidate, however they can't vote for them because of their social views. Many will only vote for someone who is against gay marriage, or against abortion, or other more conservative social views. This is a political move to gain votes of a large base of Americans. Many who have strong religious views are actually in the lower economic class and are voting only on the social aspects of candidates rather then whats actually 'best' for them.

    Politics changes all the time and it is always about picking the topics to gain the most votes or cause the most damage to the other side. You didn't hear about the debt increase during the 8 years Bush was president, but when Obama used Keynesian economics to help the economy all you heard about was the amount of debt. It works to scare people and create fights and use this to your advantage. Everyone understood the debt ceiling had to be raised but using the leverage gets things you want in politics and hurts the other side.

    Politics is best when you can scare people. Iran, Iraq, Debt, Religion, and Economy are all great methods of scaring people into believing that the other guy is doing a bad job. I would have to say though that Republicans have a much better strategic team then Democrats typically do. They are much better at getting their message out and pushing social issues to secure certain demographics and states. Some of the poorest states vote for people who in-turn vote for things that help big businesses and hurt their own interests. How you get people to vote against their own good has been a strength of Republicans for years and its predicated on using fear (at least for the last 30 years)
    I would say that SUM's it up nicely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drake View Post
    It just politics in America really. They use social issues to gain votes. There are many people in America who would do much better off with the economic policies of a democratic candidate, however they can't vote for them because of their social views. Many will only vote for someone who is against gay marriage, or against abortion, or other more conservative social views. This is a political move to gain votes of a large base of Americans. Many who have strong religious views are actually in the lower economic class and are voting only on the social aspects of candidates rather then whats actually 'best' for them.

    Politics changes all the time and it is always about picking the topics to gain the most votes or cause the most damage to the other side. You didn't hear about the debt increase during the 8 years Bush was president, but when Obama used Keynesian economics to help the economy all you heard about was the amount of debt. It works to scare people and create fights and use this to your advantage. Everyone understood the debt ceiling had to be raised but using the leverage gets things you want in politics and hurts the other side.

    Politics is best when you can scare people. Iran, Iraq, Debt, Religion, and Economy are all great methods of scaring people into believing that the other guy is doing a bad job. I would have to say though that Republicans have a much better strategic team then Democrats typically do. They are much better at getting their message out and pushing social issues to secure certain demographics and states. Some of the poorest states vote for people who in-turn vote for things that help big businesses and hurt their own interests. How you get people to vote against their own good has been a strength of Republicans for years and its predicated on using fear (at least for the last 30 years)

    Exactly! Politicians appeal to an area of the brain which controls your emotions, possibly overriding everything else, even voting against what's best for you and those you know.

    That's why not everyone should be allowed to vote, you should QUALIFY to vote.

    Btw, the gay issue I'm referring to is not about gay marriage, it's about making homosexuality illegal. There are candidates who want to forbid gay sex in ppl's own homes, comparing it to animal sex. Iran and Saudi Arabia are cheering, I'm sure.
    I'm fairly conservative when it comes to gay marriage and adoption, but this is way off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockie Cantais View Post
    Sound like a Troll post, post a hostile post against a group to incite a hostile reaction. NO TACT, at all in that post and you sounded more how should I say very one sided and extremely opinionated. Ron Paul who I like and has some very Great ideas is still a nut job! 'chuckle'.
    I also criticise Iran and Saudia Arabia. I guess they would respond in a similar matter.

    USA is no longer a democracy as we know it. Big corps can dictate what they want, rich, white men win the elections based on who's more patriotic or not, etc.

    USA veto'ed the fact that too much sugar makes you fat.... Just one example how big corps get what they want.


    In many ways, Ron Paul is a good guy, but he's stuck in 1776 on Jefferson's side.


    Further on, religion and politics should never go hand in hand.
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    Religion will never be removed from politics. First because in "democracies" politicians are supposed to reflect the needs, opinions, and aspirations of their constituencies, and religion is incredibly important to such constituency. And Secondly, and more importantly, because it is perhaps impossible to think about power as circulated through something as large as a nation-state without using inherited terms and understandings from religious considerations. Whether its the "free-marker" of the Ron Pauls, the concepts of "rights", "equality" and "fairness" of the Obamas, or the "God" of the Huckabees, we'll always be stuck in the confines of overwrought generalizations and conflations through which political evaluations will be determined.

    That being said, I'd rather know if I am emotionally invested in something a politician supports, than disassociate myself from the feelings i have as to those things important to me and pretend like we already have the perfect way of analyzing and implementing those rationally manifest ways of doing politics/policy.

    Edit: Also, as to this idea that the US is just now becoming a non-democracy, it was the very intent of the founders of the country to disempower the people from their "collective capacity to rule"(as Madison says during the federalist debates) so that "rich, white men" could rule.

    /not a republican, btw
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    Quote Originally Posted by stoffi View Post
    I also criticise Iran and Saudia Arabia. I guess they would respond in a similar matter.

    USA is no longer a democracy as we know it. Big corps can dictate what they want, rich, white men win the elections based on who's more patriotic or not, etc.

    USA veto'ed the fact that too much sugar makes you fat.... Just one example how big corps get what they want.


    In many ways, Ron Paul is a good guy, but he's stuck in 1776 on Jefferson's side.


    Further on, religion and politics should never go hand in hand.
    First off you are wrong on the democracy part. we have never been a democracy country we are a Republic Country there is a difference. and the fact that we have parties is wrong.

    moving on

    Ron Paul is a wild man. Obama is a puppet of the socializam movement that has been going on in this country from the time long before i was alive. they just now got an idiot in office. which should be removed from office the comming election. Romney is who the Obama's want to run against not Gingrich which is the better choice. but the democrats will find something on him to get him knocked out cause if they don't he will win by an landslide. so all and all if Obama runs agains Romney then Obama wins against the wishy washy guy. but if he runs against Gingrich then Obama will fall. that is why the democratic party does not get Romney in any kind of debate they let him be and hit Gingrich with alll the bashes. cause he is the one they worrie about.
    To avoid being bottom fead on.... be number one... if you can't do that then just expect it.. and plan for it build more offence... and kick their teeth in...

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    I can almost guarantee you that noone in the DNC or the Obama Campaign has Gingrich as the guy they would least like to see. The man is not a very good politician, and has incredibly high unfaivorable ratings. Like most elections in which there is a strong incumbant with a huge war chest, the potentially good candidates seem to be sitting this one out.

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