So, who's a Republican here?

[flutterby]

But truth depends on the individual and what they perceive as truth.

[stoffi]

I think I will call you on that one. Source.

Preliminary evidence says your a troll or a wannabe operative, but we shall see.

http://www.alternet.org/story/155515...war_on_history


I also noticed how you so elegantly ignored all my arguments, suggesting you are scared to comment the truth.

The Tea Party Movement are only comparable with Islamist Fanatics, compare their opinions and you'll find they are very similar, except for the words "God" and "Allah".

[CREinstein]

Sigh... guess that is the next thread. Tea Party versus OWS. Your arguments by the way are baseless, bigoted, and very prejudicial.

[flutterby]

Stoffi is anything but bigoted and prejudiced. Maybe you should get to know the people around here and ffs stop making so many threads.
If you can't keep your discussion going in a thread without making a new one......

[CREinstein]

Well let's see...

I am new but am going to be one of the most active.

I start new threads for purposes of preventing thread jackings, for allowing people who dropped out of a thread (for whatever reason) to see the new content.

I abide by these simple rules:

1) The thread must be a bonified new topic, or covering a thread long buried and off the front page.

2) the thread must have content, not a single link or quick comment.

3) that I give a reasonable answer to a reasonable question

4) That I reply if the response was not confusing, or adequate quality, and not trolling.



I generally start slow with a spurt at the start of entering a forum. Eventually when most everyone is willing to concede that I can back my statements I enter rapid mode equal to what the other readers/posters can handle (or just a bit more than counter posting).

I invite broad discussion on any of hundreds of topics or narrow discussion on thousands of topics.


I provoke thoughts and emotions.



I also tend to write a paragraph where a sentence can work, a book where a paragraph works and if someone really just won't stop with emotiohal responses I can write the online equivalent of an epic saga (those posts find if there is a posting length limit on a given forum as well).

[flutterby]

As long as you're on topic, thread jacking is quite okay. But question. Do you even play the game
or are you just trying to gain a demographic?

[stoffi]

Sigh... guess that is the next thread. Tea Party versus OWS. Your arguments by the way are baseless, bigoted, and very prejudicial.

My arguments are based on what Tea Party Leaders say. Are they too bigoted and prejudicial? ^^


What about that article I'm linking to? Is it wrong in any way?

You're avoiding the discussion, you got no arguments against it so you become personal. Way to go, you completely lack debating skills and sound like a politician, avoiding losing face by focusing on something else. :)

[TheImmortal]

I am conservative, but the Tea Party creeps me out. And to the rest of you: the Tea Party does not represent all of us (conservatives)

[danthegirl]

Palem, unfortunately you are mistaken...Obama has a 41% approval rating right now and its only going to get worse because of his economic policies and gas hitting $4-$5 a gallon. In 3 years he's added more to the national debt then Bush did fighting two wars in 8 years. Sorry you liberals, but facts are facts. The US is a center right country and once the nomination is decided the Republican will beat Obama.

Palem, let me ask you this...Why is Obama so unbeatable? His unemployment is at 9.1%, actually like 15% if you take the REAL numbers (U6). The 8.3% is because somehow 2.5 million jobs just vanished from the work force. He's added $5 Trillion to the national debt in 3 years. Gas prices when he took office were 1.88/gal now they over $4. They just release a closer estimate of what the Healthcare bill will cost. Originally it was $950b, now the CBO sent out a report that it will cost $2.7 Trillion...Oh and in that we pay for 10 years and only get 6 years of coverage.

The man was a junior senator(first term), has never held a real job/run a business in his life. How can you say he has experience? The only thing he has experience in is community organizing...aka socialism.

Darling, your whole post is so full of propaganda from Extreme Right news channels, that I finally gave in and made a forum account after avoiding it for two years.

First, ALL presidents have increased expenditures. The difference is that Bush increased the expenditures so much, while Obama increased it less than any other president in the last 50 years. Unfortunately, the United States has been in an economic disaster that was led on by the deregulation of the banks, overspending, and economic speculation that occurred on Wall Street and mortgages (due to Republican/Conservative policies).

As a 30 year old, who has paid for my own gas since I started driving with my learners permit at 15 years old, I have never seen gas at $1.88. For the last 7 years, I have not seen it under $3. Right now, gas costs around $4.45 for medium grade gas next to UCLA. If gas were truly at $1.88 in your (presumably) midwestern state, then check out what state taxes must have been passed to make your gas prices comparable (or higher) to CA gas, which has the second highest gas tax in the nation due to our environmental policies, which have made CA one of the cleanest states in the nation.

The lower unemployment rate is due to the fact that many unemployed Americans have stopped looking for jobs. When the unemployed stop looking for jobs, they are no longer factored into the unemployment rate. The jobs that vanished from the workforce include government jobs (federal and state), which for "small government advocates" should be a benefit of Obama's presidency. However, things get so twisted in Right-wing media that positives are spun into opposite directions.

Now, Obama has been president for almost four years. Surely, that must qualify as "experience" in running a country. Either way, I would prefer to have a "community organizer" be president, as they can empathize and understand the needs of people, rather than the needs of big businesses.

[nooblet]

Gas was nowhere near $1.88/gallon when Obama came into office, and you do realize the only reason gas prices went down is because of releasing some oil reserves? Presidents do that every time elections come around if they can.
There isn't some magical switch that suddenly creates new oil supplies, and gas prices fell sharply in 2008. It was inevitable that they would eventually rise to the present level, or close to it.

I don't like Obama much, but at least find some actual reasons instead of making up stuff. There is plenty to dislike about the man and his government.
The problem with the conservative oposition (to be more accurate, the core of the Republican Party) is that it's so ridiculous in this country, and can't get past the idea that being a selfish jackass is a moral virtue. They're so blatantly obvious about it that it's hard to take politics seriously.

[Tha Legend]

Obama's 2nd highest donor in 2008 was Goldman Sachs. http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/co...?cid=N00009638

Romney's top donor in 2012 is Goldman Sachs. http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/co...2&id=N00000286

American politics is all bought and paid for. Anyone who really believe that Romney is that much different than Obama only has to look at the donor list. When you keep seeing the same names, that should tell you something..

[stoffi]

Creinstein has still not replied to my questions. A recent survey shows that this is exactly what politicans do, they avoid commenting on nasty truths by focusing on something else, or they simply ignore it.

[octobrev]

I have a theory that they tea party was started by liberals to make republicants look too ridiculous to vote for ever again.

[thephatman]

Look up Thomas Jefferson vs Alexander Hamilton and you'll find what Ron Paul stands for. Ron Paul = the early Jefferson.

In short, Isolationism, no central bank and no central government except for defence of the country.

Even shorter, lunatic. Though not a religious lunatic, so I guess that's better.


Vote Stephen Colbert instead, he's the only candidate who's not insane.

It's sad to see how effective the media's smear campaigns are. I can see that the Ron Paul is crazy message has fit nicely into your skulls. Do you people listen to the debates? All those other candidates speak for ages w.o saying a single word. Ron Paul was the only candidate who would engage in discourse at all, he even sites historical examples as evidence. Everyone else was just stumbling over one another to shout their committee approved talking points at the camera. Go take some classes on debate and re-watch the 2008, 2012 debates and tell me Ron Paul is anything but a lucid champion of reason.

[thephatman]

I have a theory that they tea party was started by liberals to make republicants look too ridiculous to vote for ever again.

The tea party was started by a a handful of multinational corporations as a lobbying platform. Look up The "Americans for Prosperity and Freedomworks" organization. They provided most of the speakers and organizers for the "tea parties". I also see it as an attempt to defuse the civil unrest of the mid term period. GOV'T must have smelled occupy coming and predivided it along party lines to make it more easily discredited publicly.