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    MARRIAGE AND RELIGIOUS FREEDOM: An Open Letter from Religious Leaders in the United States to All Americans

    January 19, 2012 Posted by: Kelly Gneiting

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    TELL YOUR REPRESENTATIVES THIS OPEN LETTER DESCRIBES YOUR STANCE TOO

    ?Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom.? Benjamin Franklin

    MARRIAGE AND RELIGIOUS FREEDOM:

    An Open Letter from Religious Leaders in the United States to All Americans

    Released January 12, 2012 (download PDF HERE)

    Dear Friends:

    The promotion and protection of marriage?the union of one man and one woman as husband and wife?is a matter of the common good and serves the wellbeing of the couple, of children, of civil society and all people. The meaning and value of marriage precedes and transcends any particular society, government, or religious community. It is a universal good and the foundational institution of all societies. It is bound up with the nature of the human person as male and female, and with the essential task of bearing and nurturing children.

    As religious leaders across a wide variety of faith communities, we join together to affirm that marriage in its true definition must be protected for its own sake and for the good of society. We also recognize the grave consequences of altering this definition. One of these consequences?the interference with the religious freedom of those who continue to affirm the true definition of ?marriage??warrants special attention within our faith communities and throughout society as a whole. For this reason, we come together with one voice in this letter.

    Some posit that the principal threat to religious freedom posed by same-sex ?marriage? is the possibility of government?s forcing religious ministers to preside over such ?weddings,? on pain of civil or criminal liability. While we cannot rule out this possibility entirely, we believe that the First Amendment creates a very high bar to such attempts.

    Instead, we believe the most urgent peril is this: forcing or pressuring both individuals and religious organizations?throughout their operations, well beyond religious ceremonies?to treat same-sex sexual conduct as the moral equivalent of marital sexual conduct. There is no doubt that the many people and groups whose moral and religious convictions forbid same-sex sexual conduct will resist the compulsion of the law, and church-state conflicts will result.

    These conflicts bear serious consequences. They will arise in a broad range of legal contexts, because altering the civil definition of ?marriage? does not change one law, but hundreds, even thousands, at once. By a single stroke, every law where rights depend on marital status?such as employment discrimination, employment benefits, adoption, education, healthcare, elder care, housing, property, and taxation?will change so that same-sex sexual relationships must be treated as if they were marriage. That requirement, in turn, will apply to religious people and groups in the ordinary course of their many private or public

    occupations and ministries?including running schools, hospitals, nursing homes and other housing facilities, providing adoption and counseling services, and many others.

    So, for example, religious adoption services that place children exclusively with married couples would be required by law to place children with persons of the same sex who are civilly ?married.? Religious marriage counselors would be denied their professional accreditation for refusing to provide counseling in support of same-sex ?married? relationships. Religious employers who provide special health benefits to married employees would be required by law to extend those benefits to same-sex ?spouses.? Religious employers would also face lawsuits for taking any adverse employment action?no matter how modest?against an employee for the public act of obtaining a civil ?marriage? with a member of the same sex. This is not idle speculation, as these sorts of situations have already come to pass.

    Even where religious people and groups succeed in avoiding civil liability in cases like these, they would face other government sanctions?the targeted withdrawal of government co-operation, grants, or other benefits.

    For example, in New Jersey, the state cancelled the tax-exempt status of a Methodist-run boardwalk pavilion used for religious services because the religious organization would not host a same-sex ?wedding? there. San Francisco dropped its $3.5 million in social service contracts with the Salvation Army because it refused to recognize same-sex ?domestic partnerships? in its employee benefits policies. Similarly, Portland, Maine, required Catholic Charities to extend spousal employee benefits to same-sex ?domestic partners? as a condition of receiving city housing and community development funds.

    In short, the refusal of these religious organizations to treat a same-sex sexual relationship as if it were a marriage marked them and their members as bigots, subjecting them to the full arsenal of government punishments and pressures reserved for racists. These punishments will only grow more frequent and more severe if civil ?marriage? is redefined in additional jurisdictions. For then, government will compel special recognition of relationships that we the undersigned religious leaders and the communities of faith that we represent cannot, in conscience, affirm. Because law and government not only coerce and incentivize but also teach, these sanctions would lend greater moral legitimacy to private efforts to punish those who defend marriage.

    Therefore, we encourage all people of good will to protect marriage as the union between one man and one woman, and to consider carefully the far-reaching consequences for the religious freedom of all Americans if marriage is redefined. We especially urge those entrusted with the public good to support laws that uphold the time-honored definition of marriage, and so avoid threatening the religious freedom of countless institutions and citizens in this country. Marriage and religious freedom are both deeply woven into the fabric of this nation.

    May we all work together to strengthen and preserve the unique meaning of marriage and the precious gift of religious freedom.

    Sincerely Yours:

    Rev. Leith Anderson
    President
    National Association of Evangelicals

    Johann Christoph Arnold
    Senior Pastor
    Bruderhof Communities

    Randall A. Bach
    President
    Open Bible Churches

    Dr. Gary M. Benedict
    President
    The Christian and Missionary Alliance

    The Rev. John F. Bradosky
    Bishop
    North American Lutheran Church

    Glenn Burris, Jr.
    President
    The Foursquare Church

    Bishop H. David Burton
    Presiding Bishop
    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

    Dr. Ronald W. Carpenter, Sr.
    Presiding Bishop
    International Pentecostal Holiness Church

    Rabbi Abba Cohen
    Vice President for Federal Affairs
    Washington Director
    Agudath Israel of America

    Most Rev. Salvatore J. Cordileone
    Bishop of Oakland
    Chairman
    USCCB Subcommittee for the Promotion and Defense of Marriage

    Nathan J. Diament
    Executive Director for Public Policy
    Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America

    Cardinal-designate Timothy M. Dolan
    Archbishop of New York
    President
    United States Conference of Catholic Bishops

    Dr. Barrett Duke
    Vice President for Public Policy and Research
    Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty
    Commission

    The Most Rev. Robert Duncan
    Archbishop, Anglican Church in North America
    Bishop, Anglican Diocese of Pittsburgh

    Rev. Jim Eschenbrenner
    Executive Pastor
    General Council of Christian Union Churches

    Dr. William J. Hamel
    President
    Evangelical Free Church of America

    Rev. Dr. Ron Hamilton
    Conference Minister
    Conservative Congregational Christian Conference

    Rev. Dr. Matthew Harrison
    President
    Lutheran Church ? Missouri Synod

    John Hopler
    Director
    Great Commission Churches

    Dr. Bill Hossler
    President
    Missionary Church, Inc.

    Clyde M. Hughes
    General Overseer
    International Pentecostal Church of Christ

    Rev. Kenneth D. Hunn
    Executive Director
    The Brethren Church

    David W. Kendall
    Bishop
    Free Methodist Church USA

    Dr. Richard Land
    President
    Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty
    Commission

    Most Rev. William E. Lori
    Bishop of Bridgeport
    Chairman
    USCCB Ad Hoc Committee for
    Religious Liberty

    Dr. Jo Anne Lyon
    Chair Board of General Superintendents
    The Wesleyan Church

    James W. Murray
    Executive Director
    General Association of General Baptists

    Most Rev. Kevin C. Rhoades
    Bishop of Ft. Wayne ? South Bend
    Chairman
    USCCB Committee on Laity, Marriage, Family Life and Youth

    Commissioner William A. Roberts
    National Commander
    The Salvation Army

    Rocky Rocholl
    President
    Fellowship of Evangelical Churches

    Rev. Samuel Rodriguez
    President
    National Hispanic Christian
    Leadership Conference

    David T. Roller
    Bishop
    Free Methodist Church USA

    Matthew A. Thomas
    Bishop
    Free Methodist Church USA

    Dr. Joseph Tkach
    President & Pastor General
    Grace Communion International

    Berten A. Waggoner
    National Director
    Vineyard USA

    W. Phillip Whipple
    Bishop
    United Brethren in Christ Church, USA

    Dr. John P. Williams, Jr.
    Regional Director
    Evangelical Friends Church, North America

    David P. Wilson
    General Secretary
    Church of the Nazarene

    Dr. George O. Wood
    General Superintendent
    Assemblies of God

    Kelly Gneiting
    National Chairman
    Independent American Party

    ?The order of nature is that individual happiness shall be inseparable from the practice of virtue.? Thomas Jefferson

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    I don't support there thinking on this. My quote on this is:

    this post, supposedly supported by many religious organization is one of the most hatefull and racest post i've ever seen. Might as well bring back slavery, keep women off the job force and start hanging and burning witches. All these regiligious groups....hmmm...Did God tell all things groups to single out gay people and discriminate against them. That sounds more like Satans work. These groups should be shut down and our governments shouldn't be giving them tax breaks as religious organizations under the 501C3 program


    I believe there needs to be approval on gay marriages and flexibility in the system. Sure, there maybe some redifining of some of the system, but that is called change and the only way to improve things is to allow change
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    Salvation Army?

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    I think if two people are in love and want to get married then they have the right, regardless of whether or not their 'bits match'.

    I am straight myself, yet it bothers me that even here in Australia gay marriage is against the law.

    Religion is the only thing standing in the way of it being legalised.
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