Propaganda - any info ?

[ryvrdrgn14]

There is no increased chance for failure for over sending with Propaganda?

[SillyRabbit]

The amount of theives sent will not affect your chances at success. However, if you fail the op and send all thieves, you will lose a large chunk. But since prop is not capped like other ops, sending more thieves will convert more of the enemy's units. That being said, you should only ever use max thieves when using prop. If you are failing then either you need more tpa or you are trying to op a target with too much tpa

[tetley]

If you are failing then either you need more tpa or you are trying to op a target with too much tpa

Aren't these both effectively the same thing ??

[Topsy]

You could also lower their tpa.

[ryvrdrgn14]

The amount of theives sent will not affect your chances at success. However, if you fail the op and send all thieves, you will lose a large chunk. But since prop is not capped like other ops, sending more thieves will convert more of the enemy's units. That being said, you should only ever use max thieves when using prop. If you are failing then either you need more tpa or you are trying to op a target with too much tpa

Thanks. We're like in a 2-3+ week war (I already forgot) and I'm trying to take down their last 2 TMs to force a surrender. One TM is an Elf Mystic with no WTs and has dens with 15 mod TPA and the other has around 8ish but he's a faery with WTs and CS.

Made sure their attackers offense went down evenly to let my defense drop and trained up 10 raw TPA with a current mod of 22.4 and getting through the 15 TPA TM after bribe but not sure if I was screwing myself over with sending too much. We can MS the elf now after some AW and I'm thinking to switch to prop. I tried earlier when my TPA was only 13+ and it failed horribly.

Is 15 tpa with bribe thieves vs 22.4 mod tpa decent for propaganda reliable for success? We're about the same size. Can probably launch a goldie in a couple of days if that'll help. If it's iffy I might have to train a few more or just AW him down until all our mystics can have their way with him. It would be nice to have my honor back though. :P

[NoseBlood]

You wanna max ur thive dens out, the closer you are to -95% losses the better. Sending 10 raw tpa with low td's is suicide :p

I would personaly do AW on that elf mystic, more stable op and kills wizards alot faster then prop.
Faery with wt's+CS is alot harder to bring down, maybe send gold dragon and MV the CS off before AW run..

[ryvrdrgn14]

You wanna max ur thive dens out, the closer you are to -95% losses the better. Sending 10 raw tpa with low td's is suicide :p

I would personaly do AW on that elf mystic, more stable op and kills wizards alot faster then prop.
Faery with wt's+CS is alot harder to bring down, maybe send gold dragon and MV the CS off before AW run..

Alright. The gold dragon is charging up and should be at 1 gc in a couple of days. I'll see if I can tear down some banks or forts and get me up to 30% TDs from 21%. Thanks for reminding me about the TDs. I'm only at 78% loss reduction at the moment.

[spliffst4r]

when propping, send all your thieves.

Look at my latest success:

Early indications show that our operation was a success. We have converted 611 of the enemy's specialist troops to our army.

[Ovenmitt]

Anyone who is saying send all is a poor thief. Send 4 tpa on a same size target, no more. Prop also diminishes out of range at the same rate as combat gains.

[ryvrdrgn14]

I mostly got to use it on a weaker TM and I was grabbing successfully but I wasn't able to get anywhere near 95% casualty reduction. I've mostly been kept down to Baron due to mage ops and despite having 20% homes and 30% TDs I think the best I could get was around 78%. This is probably due to training too many thieves but was racing with their TMs who were also training up thieves (it was a silly war that lasted three weeks). Before we won I just propped one of their other mages who had no TDs/WTs and got mostly successful ops.

I guess there is a balance in TPA/Pop that I missed out that is why I couldn't reach 95% or close to it. It would be nice if they posted info about this instead of leaving us all in the dark after all these decades. :P

[bpitchfo]

Anyone who is saying send all is a poor thief. Send 4 tpa on a same size target, no more. Prop also diminishes out of range at the same rate as combat gains.

Sending 8-9rtpa will yield the best results. Having 104%BE will allow -95% Thief Losses. Anyone who is sending a % is bad. The more thieves sent, the more damage. mTPA is only dependant on success, thieves sent handles damage. You can send 4rtpa. but that is for people who have no clue about BE%. The only way to effectively Prop/AW is to have 104% BE and 17% TDs. You figure out how to obtain this.

Early indications show that our operation was a success. We have converted 475 of the enemy's wizards to our army.

[madi]

send all your thiefs...

[Shifty11]

As Propaganda is the most difficult thievery op to succeed in;

1: Consider your opponents TPA versus your own TPA.
2: Consider your opponents Watchtowers.
3: Consider your opponents military at home.

It's very beneficial to use utopia pimp, and customize your charts for these choices as it'll assist you in making the best decision. I normally start off with sending 50% thieves, and aim from there. If you're getting many successful ops, you can raise that %, vice versa if you aren't getting successful ops, use less or move to a different target.

[echostatic]

I mostly got to use it on a weaker TM and I was grabbing successfully but I wasn't able to get anywhere near 95% casualty reduction. I've mostly been kept down to Baron due to mage ops and despite having 20% homes and 30% TDs I think the best I could get was around 78%. This is probably due to training too many thieves but was racing with their TMs who were also training up thieves (it was a silly war that lasted three weeks). Before we won I just propped one of their other mages who had no TDs/WTs and got mostly successful ops.

I guess there is a balance in TPA/Pop that I missed out that is why I couldn't reach 95% or close to it. It would be nice if they posted info about this instead of leaving us all in the dark after all these decades. :P

You are running 30% TDs? Aren't you wasting buildings? TDs stop providing additional benefits at... either 20% or 25%, I forget which.