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    Quote Originally Posted by Korp View Post
    Nope there isnt, there is about 4,5 milion people with norwegian ancestry in US, and about 4,9 milions in Norway.
    That's about correct. :)

    Also, I don't know what Americans are taught in school, but Norwegian Vikings were the first non-indians to discover the American continent. Leiv Eriksson is one of persons the sagas speak of. There were several short-lived colonies, possibly also around New York City. Viking coins and viking houses have been found. :)


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    Stoffi are you really a teacher?

    Seriously.

    I am not disputing what you say as i have not researched it, it just seems you have a real grudge against America. I hope you aren't passing these biased views along to your students.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpio86 View Post
    Stoffi are you really a teacher?

    Seriously.

    I am not disputing what you say as i have not researched it, it just seems you have a real grudge against America. I hope you aren't passing these biased views along to your students.

    Yes, 5th to 13th grade, but not finished until 2013. Writing my MA in English starting this autumn, but I'm teaching upper secondary/high school(grade 11-13) for 8 weeks now as a student teacher and could work as a teacher if I had the time.

    The USA has both good and bad sides. This is a bad side.

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    Here in Ireland, being homeless means you're wet. Usually. In the land of trolls, brunost and snus being homeless means very, very cold temperatures - which are probably tough to survive. Is the 1 in 200 number in America skewed to the more temperate regions? Maybe we should be looking at 'Frozen and/or Homeless' people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergore View Post
    Here in Ireland, being homeless means you're wet. Usually. In the land of trolls, brunost and snus being homeless means very, very cold temperatures - which are probably tough to survive. Is the 1 in 200 number in America skewed to the more temperate regions? Maybe we should be looking at 'Frozen and/or Homeless' people.
    Norway isn't much colder than New York. ^^
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    I dont think its fair to portrait the USA as the worlds worst country , its the fault of the whole world that there exists poverty and its the fault of every human being not just segmented governments.

    Having lived in sweden for 12 years, norway for 1 and a half and denmark for 6 months plus traveled to some 25 to 30 countries in my short life, i can tell you that in stockholm we live good because we are eating the food of people who starve, if you go to the supermarket you find the best coffee , organic products from brazil and africa , and pretty much everything or almost everything we eat in scandinavia comes from some 3rd world country where people are starving to death.

    Per capita swededn is the 2nd worlds largest exporter of weapons in the world. Its very hypocrite that in sweden we are pacifists when we get our money to buy the food of people who are starving, we get that money by selling guns to people so that they kill each other .

    Norway is doing amazing because it has almost no popullation, and huge land mass, and huge oils and natural gas. Still there are riots and people are struggling.

    I had to see the owner of my company work 16 hours a day every day to try to keep his business running and provide for his 5 yr old son 4 yr old son and his little 1 yr old daughter .

    There is big troubles in scandinavia just like everywhere else. Sweden is no paradise and you better not be sick, although medical care is usually very cheap to almost free , if you have some mental illness or suffer from something you might just get raped at a hospital or clinic by another patient or doctor.

    Horrible things happen in scandinavia just like everywhere else in the world.

    One big difference i have seen from scandinavian people is that they have learned that they not need to **** each other but that they are better off ****ing everyone else lol.

    You can read world news about how whole europe is doing terrible while in scandinavia banks are doing great.

    Ive met many homeless in stockholm and gothenburg and oslo and copenhaguen. There are big differences.

    In all countries except denmark most homeless are originaries from scandinavia, this are people that have ha misfurtunes, no one deserves to live on the street and have a terrible life no matter who they are, everywone deserves love and protection when they are in need, and cared for . This is where the socialist ideas of scandinavia rule supreme to most other countries in the world.

    Scandinavia is a place where compassion has made a huge impact on the people , you will see all kinds of nice things, yet the fact remains that we are still humans , and again, scandinavians just like any other human **** others to survive, thats just how it is .

    Oh yea about homeless in danmark, its funny how proud danish are about feeling they are so good, when they stole that big piece of land up there called greenalnd

    If you go to copenhaguen most homeless you will find are the original people of greenland, the natives, whom now live on the streets of copenhaguen getting drunk and being called lazy .

    Funny how danish think themselves to be such a big country when they steal the land of others and put them on the street like dogs.

    But then again, thats how the whole of the world is everywhere, and if one really wants to have a good life you better find peace inside yourself and then whatever happens in the world wont touch you . Then again its always sad to see so many people suffering when theres no need for it .

    With all the technology and all, i think as a world we have all the means for everyone to live happily, but when the majority loves violence and all that , the problem with the peaceful ones is that as much as one tries to isolate oneself from the rest, eventually all forests and fishes are gonna be gone and humanity will start eating each other !!

    I hope that time never comes because i wont think twice about bbqing some of you mofos out there ! you better watch out cause i love my bbq , so unless you want to be eaten by me, you better straighten up the world and start reforesting, cleaning the oceans from pollutions, recycling and have a nice environment that provides you with food and shelter and peace and love.

    Other than that its your choice to end up in my belly, I WILL EAT YOU LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by gojete View Post
    I dont think its fair to portrait the USA as the worlds worst country , its the fault of the whole world that there exists poverty and its the fault of every human being not just segmented governments.

    Having lived in sweden for 12 years, norway for 1 and a half and denmark for 6 months plus traveled to some 25 to 30 countries in my short life, i can tell you that in stockholm we live good because we are eating the food of people who starve, if you go to the supermarket you find the best coffee , organic products from brazil and africa , and pretty much everything or almost everything we eat in scandinavia comes from some 3rd world country where people are starving to death.

    Per capita swededn is the 2nd worlds largest exporter of weapons in the world. Its very hypocrite that in sweden we are pacifists when we get our money to buy the food of people who are starving, we get that money by selling guns to people so that they kill each other .

    Norway is doing amazing because it has almost no popullation, and huge land mass, and huge oils and natural gas. Still there are riots and people are struggling.

    I had to see the owner of my company work 16 hours a day every day to try to keep his business running and provide for his 5 yr old son 4 yr old son and his little 1 yr old daughter .

    There is big troubles in scandinavia just like everywhere else. Sweden is no paradise and you better not be sick, although medical care is usually very cheap to almost free , if you have some mental illness or suffer from something you might just get raped at a hospital or clinic by another patient or doctor.

    Horrible things happen in scandinavia just like everywhere else in the world.

    One big difference i have seen from scandinavian people is that they have learned that they not need to **** each other but that they are better off ****ing everyone else lol.

    You can read world news about how whole europe is doing terrible while in scandinavia banks are doing great.

    Ive met many homeless in stockholm and gothenburg and oslo and copenhaguen. There are big differences.

    In all countries except denmark most homeless are originaries from scandinavia, this are people that have ha misfurtunes, no one deserves to live on the street and have a terrible life no matter who they are, everywone deserves love and protection when they are in need, and cared for . This is where the socialist ideas of scandinavia rule supreme to most other countries in the world.

    Scandinavia is a place where compassion has made a huge impact on the people , you will see all kinds of nice things, yet the fact remains that we are still humans , and again, scandinavians just like any other human **** others to survive, thats just how it is .

    Oh yea about homeless in danmark, its funny how proud danish are about feeling they are so good, when they stole that big piece of land up there called greenalnd

    If you go to copenhaguen most homeless you will find are the original people of greenland, the natives, whom now live on the streets of copenhaguen getting drunk and being called lazy .

    Funny how danish think themselves to be such a big country when they steal the land of others and put them on the street like dogs.

    But then again, thats how the whole of the world is everywhere, and if one really wants to have a good life you better find peace inside yourself and then whatever happens in the world wont touch you . Then again its always sad to see so many people suffering when theres no need for it .

    With all the technology and all, i think as a world we have all the means for everyone to live happily, but when the majority loves violence and all that , the problem with the peaceful ones is that as much as one tries to isolate oneself from the rest, eventually all forests and fishes are gonna be gone and humanity will start eating each other !!

    I hope that time never comes because i wont think twice about bbqing some of you mofos out there ! you better watch out cause i love my bbq , so unless you want to be eaten by me, you better straighten up the world and start reforesting, cleaning the oceans from pollutions, recycling and have a nice environment that provides you with food and shelter and peace and love.

    Other than that its your choice to end up in my belly, I WILL EAT YOU LOL
    Well, first of all, most of the food we eat in Norway is produced in Norway. (By subsidising our farms)

    Also, no food is imported from Africa. They eat their own food. Saying that they keep us afloat is a bunch of bs, they got nothing to do with the world economy. Our goods are often produced in ASIA, China being an important country.

    Also, no one has to be homeless in Norway. Those homeless people you met in Norway were junkies or alcoholics who choose to spend their welfare on something else than a home. Welfare is MINIMUM 2000 dollars per month.


    USA can only be compared with countries in Eastern Europe, countries where large parts of the population live in poverty. In addition, they have no healthcare worth mentioning, horrible prisons who produce new and harder criminals and they let their middle class wither away into ignorant trailer trash.

    There are no big problems in Norway, the biggest problem is that Oslo is the rape capital of the world and there's a lot of muggings, but that's because of poor immigration policies and the EU, letting scum float freely. The terrorist attack in Oslo last year was done by a guy who hated all that and wanted to punish those who had let all the foreigners into our country without integrating them. He has some valid points but it's hard to agree with such a nutcase.

    Norway's biggest problem today is that we let too many non-working immigrants into our country, people who come to us because they've heard our welfare is good. Amongst certain people groups you will find 75% unemployment, because they don't want to work. There's plenty of jobs, we have to import workers from other countries like Sweden and Poland. If you want a job, you will get a job. Unemployment doesn't exist in reality, people are screaming for workers.
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    Norway is lucky in that its exports are currently highly desired and that the state controls a lot of the exports. A lot of the jobs in Norway are fairly high paying with little skill required. The government has a huge income per capita because it controls the oil. As a result you end up with a rich government rather then a rich upper class. This is much more desirable as the government has incentive to help the lower class. Wealthy people in the USA help out a ton, but the Norwegian government is helping out within its country. Rich people in america put a huge portion of their disposable income into helping third world countries...

    USA has an economy based on citizens making their own way. Large parts of Norways economy is largely state controlled. Very different economy's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodz View Post
    Norway is lucky in that its exports are currently highly desired and that the state controls a lot of the exports. A lot of the jobs in Norway are fairly high paying with little skill required. The government has a huge income per capita because it controls the oil. As a result you end up with a rich government rather then a rich upper class. This is much more desirable as the government has incentive to help the lower class. Wealthy people in the USA help out a ton, but the Norwegian government is helping out within its country. Rich people in america put a huge portion of their disposable income into helping third world countries...

    USA has an economy based on citizens making their own way. Large parts of Norways economy is largely state controlled. Very different economy's.

    You can compare with any Western country, not just Norway. The US has a huuuuuuge chunk of people living on the streets and in trailers compared to ANY European country except some of the former east block countries, like Romania.

    Also, there aren't more jobs required unskilled workers in Norway than other places, I'd say the opposite. However, the jobs which doesn't require any skill are paid much, much better compared to the US, relative to people with education.


    A new study shows that rich people are a more greedy than normal people. In an experiment where people were given a jar of candy, told that they could taste some and the rest would go to children, the wealthy people ate twice as much as the normal people.
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    This greed is what makes the US care nothing for its poor, since the rich rule by the ignorance of the masses(read: Republicans)
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    Quote Originally Posted by stoffi View Post


    So, why is Obama so bad? He wants to help these guys, the Republicans want to leave them to die in a ditch and only let themselves prosper. Don't we all deserve a chance?

    Simple answer - Obama isn't bad at all. Unfortunately because he hasn't been able to clear up a HUGE mess (left to him by the previous government) in a short enough time, certain people are claiming him to be a failure. And all the Republicans (and their rich supporters) want him out. It's sad when so many people have so much money, but no heart, and no compassion for their fellow man.

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    I have been homeless three times.

    Once from an ugly break up/divorce, once from depression, once from being scammed and robbed on darn near everything.

    Being homeless does suck.

    However I would like to point out that there is a lot of abuse.

    My ex-wife for instance was on section 8. She worked a part time job on purpose to maximize her section 8, unemployment, and her income. She was playing the system.

    I am however promoting a Not for Profit known as 'Bridges to Change' which, unlike most other programs, has a time limit as well as other tools designed to get you out successfully, or out on your own.



    When I was scammed I was introduced to that program I had no money left, and only work clothes. They bought a interview suit and a bus pass. In two weeks I had a job.

    They have requirements to make contact wiith at least four employers a day. They keep track. When employed you pay $50 a month as rent and give half your pay to be kept secured in a safe (to be returned to you when you leave).

    You have three months to. Find a job, six months total if you get employed. You share a room with another person, there are six rooms total, and a volunteer lives on sight and supervises. Drug tests are required at the start and randomly throughout your stay. Alcohol tests as well.

    You had house chores to do and were required to attend two meetings a week (work was an exception).

    The program has an amazing success rate, yet Liberals in the United States are horrified at this sort of expiring time, drug/alcohol testing program even with its success rate.

    I left that program near a month an d a half early... and I was late (to me) leaving because I had to buy a car as well.


    Portland on the other hand has HUD, Section 8, Housing Authority of Portland, and a program run by Central City Concern. All of these programs are weakly administered, have weak requirements, have even weaker punishments, and are not geared for success. They are designed to keep people in the system. The City of Portland further restricts the number of people allowed in a homeless shelter. All of this is a recipe for continued broken dreams.

    Additionally the shelters are prohibited from focusing on those trying to get jobs but must take all comers (with a lottery if to many that day). This means those who are homeless due to choice are interfering with the recovery of those homeless due to circumstance.

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    well I suppose Norway is by default the next country I'm gooing to live in since I grew up in Denmark, went to Iceland to study and are now on my first job in Sweeden, plus it hold some advantages not beeing a part of the european union and likely to never end up as a part of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CREinstein View Post
    I have been homeless three times.

    Once from an ugly break up/divorce, once from depression, once from being scammed and robbed on darn near everything.

    Being homeless does suck.

    However I would like to point out that there is a lot of abuse.

    My ex-wife for instance was on section 8. She worked a part time job on purpose to maximize her section 8, unemployment, and her income. She was playing the system.

    I am however promoting a Not for Profit known as 'Bridges to Change' which, unlike most other programs, has a time limit as well as other tools designed to get you out successfully, or out on your own.



    When I was scammed I was introduced to that program I had no money left, and only work clothes. They bought a interview suit and a bus pass. In two weeks I had a job.

    They have requirements to make contact wiith at least four employers a day. They keep track. When employed you pay $50 a month as rent and give half your pay to be kept secured in a safe (to be returned to you when you leave).

    You have three months to. Find a job, six months total if you get employed. You share a room with another person, there are six rooms total, and a volunteer lives on sight and supervises. Drug tests are required at the start and randomly throughout your stay. Alcohol tests as well.

    You had house chores to do and were required to attend two meetings a week (work was an exception).

    The program has an amazing success rate, yet Liberals in the United States are horrified at this sort of expiring time, drug/alcohol testing program even with its success rate.

    I left that program near a month an d a half early... and I was late (to me) leaving because I had to buy a car as well.


    Portland on the other hand has HUD, Section 8, Housing Authority of Portland, and a program run by Central City Concern. All of these programs are weakly administered, have weak requirements, have even weaker punishments, and are not geared for success. They are designed to keep people in the system. The City of Portland further restricts the number of people allowed in a homeless shelter. All of this is a recipe for continued broken dreams.

    Additionally the shelters are prohibited from focusing on those trying to get jobs but must take all comers (with a lottery if to many that day). This means those who are homeless due to choice are interfering with the recovery of those homeless due to circumstance.
    Isn't the point to avoid becoming homeless in the first place? This program you speak of is probably excellent, but it only helps a marginal percentage and it shouldn't be needed in the first place.

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    I think he brings up a good point. Due to drug abuse and other things a large percentage of the homeless population essentially chooses homelessness over having to work. I do not know many people who have been unable to find a job when actively looking. I know only 1 guy from my high school class who is actually homeless and he says some days suck but he likes it more then he liked working... but yea Unemployment in canada is around 7%, homelessness is listed as .5%. The same as the USA. I bet based on what I see on the streets here. 90% of the homeless fall into 2 groups:
    1) substance abuse prevents finding a job
    2) choose to be homeless
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