As this game is worldwide and this problem is worldwide

[hllwrld]

I can sum it up as follows.

SOPA/PIPA and the European equivalent ACTA should never be made law! It will indeed seriously harm the economy. Furthermore the U.S. senators and congressmen and european commissioners, judges and parliamentarians and European ministers who vote and decide in favor of said proposals should be subject to a criminal investigation for taxfraud, misrepresentation, moneylaundering, and bribery. That includes such individuals as republican senator John McCain (former U.S. presidential candidate), democratic senator Joe Lieberman, European commissioner De Gucht, and European judge Van De Woude. Oh and of course we shouldn't forget such organisations as RIAA and BREIN.

Enough said!

from wiki:

60 Plus Association
ABC
Alliance for Safe Online Pharmacies (ASOP)
American Bankers Association (ABA)
American Federation of Musicians (AFM)
American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (AFTRA)
American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP)
Americans for Tax Reform
Artists and Allied Crafts of the United States
Association of American Publishers (AAP)
Association of State Criminal Investigative Agencies
Association of Talent Agents (ATA)
Beachbody, LLC
BMI
BMG Chrysalis
Building and Construction Trades Department
Capitol Records Nashville
CBS
Cengage Learning
Christian Music Trade Association
Church Music Publishers? Association
Coalition Against Online Video Piracy (CAOVP)
Comcast/NBC Universal
Concerned Women for America (CWA)
Congressional Fire Services Institute
Copyhype
Copyright Alliance
Coty, Inc.
Council of Better Business Bureaus (CBBB)
Council of State Governments
Country Music Association
Country Music Television
Creative America
Deluxe Digital Studios
Directors Guild of America (DGA)
Disney Publishing Worldwide, Inc.
Elsevier
EMI Christian Music Group
EMI Music Publishing
Entertainment Software Association (ESA)
ESPN
Est?e Lauder Companies



Foundation for Job Creation (www.jobcreation.us)
Fraternal Order of Police (FOP)
Gospel Music Association
Graphic Artists Guild
Hachette Book Group
HarperCollins Publishers Worldwide, Inc.
Hyperion Books
Independent Film & Television Alliance (IFTA)
International Alliance of Theatrical and Stage Employees (IATSE)
International AntiCounterfeiting Coalition (IACC)
International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW)
International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT)
International Trademark Association (INTA)
International Union of Police Associations
L?Oreal
Lost Highway Records
Macmillan
Major County Sheriffs
Major League Baseball
Majority City Chiefs
Marvel Entertainment, LLC
MasterCard Worldwide
MCA Records
McGraw-Hill Education
Mercury Nashville
Minor League Baseball (MiLB)
Minority Media & Telecom Council (MMTC)
Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA)
Moving Picture Technicians
MPA ? The Association of Magazine Media
National Association of Manufacturers (NAM)
National Association of Prosecutor Coordinators
National Association of State Chief Information Officers
National Cable & Telecommunications Association (NCTA)
National Center for Victims of Crime
National Criminal Justice Association
National District Attorneys Association
National Domestic Preparedness Coalition
National Football League
National Governors Association, Economic Development and Commerce Committee
National League of Cities



National Narcotics Officers? Associations? Coalition
National Sheriffs' Association (NSA)
National Songwriters Association
National Troopers Coalition
News Corporation
Pearson Education
Penguin Group (USA), Inc.
Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA)
Pfizer, Inc.
Provident Music Group
Random House
Raulet Property Partners
Republic Nashville
Revlon
Scholastic, Inc.
Screen Actors Guild (SAG)
Showdog Universal Music
Sony/ATV Music Publishing
Sony Music Entertainment
Sony Music Nashville
State International Development Organization (SIDO)
The National Association of Theatre Owners (NATO)
Perseus Books Group
United States Conference of Mayors
Tiffany & Co.
Time Warner
True Religion Brand Jeans
UMG Publishing Group Nashville
United States Chamber of Commerce
United States Olympic Committee
United States Tennis Association
Universal Music
Universal Music Publishing Group
Viacom
Visa Inc.
W.W. Norton & Company
Wallace Bajjali Development Partners, L.P.
Warner Music Group
Warner Music Nashville
Wolters Kluwer Health
Word Entertainment
Zuffa



Baker & Hostetler LLP
Covington & Burling LLP
Cowan, DeBaets, Abrahams & Sheppard LLP
Cowan, Liebowitz & Latman, P.C.
Davis Wright Tremaine LLP
Go Daddy[3]
Electronic Arts* [4]
Irell & Manella LLP
Jenner & Block LLP



Kelley Drye & Warren LLP
Kendall Brill & Klieger LLP
Kinsella Weitzman Iser Kump & Aldisert LLP
Lathrop & Gage LLP
Loeb & Loeb LLP
Mitchell Silberberg & Knupp LLP
Morrison & Foerster LLP
Nintendo* [4]
Patterson Belknap Webb & Tyler LLP



Phillips Nizer, LLP
Proskauer Rose LLP
Robins, Kaplan, Miller & Ciresi LLP
Shearman & Sterling LLP
Simpson Thacher & Bartlett LLP
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP
Sony Computer Entertainment* [4]
White & Case LLP


P.S. I think it's more serious than merely economics.

[Kemia]

Wow, so many people are replying to my thread!!! that is awesome!! I did not know so many people had such feelings and thoughts about this. . .

that is great!!!

[freemehul]

from wiki:

60 Plus Association
ABC
Alliance for Safe Online Pharmacies (ASOP)
American Bankers Association (ABA)
American Federation of Musicians (AFM)
American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (AFTRA)
American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP)
Americans for Tax Reform
Artists and Allied Crafts of the United States
Association of American Publishers (AAP)
Association of State Criminal Investigative Agencies
Association of Talent Agents (ATA)
Beachbody, LLC
BMI
BMG Chrysalis
Building and Construction Trades Department
Capitol Records Nashville
CBS
Cengage Learning
Christian Music Trade Association
Church Music Publishers? Association
Coalition Against Online Video Piracy (CAOVP)
Comcast/NBC Universal
Concerned Women for America (CWA)
Congressional Fire Services Institute
Copyhype
Copyright Alliance
Coty, Inc.
Council of Better Business Bureaus (CBBB)
Council of State Governments
Country Music Association
Country Music Television
Creative America
Deluxe Digital Studios
Directors Guild of America (DGA)
Disney Publishing Worldwide, Inc.
Elsevier
EMI Christian Music Group
EMI Music Publishing
Entertainment Software Association (ESA)
ESPN
Est?e Lauder Companies



Foundation for Job Creation (www.jobcreation.us)
Fraternal Order of Police (FOP)
Gospel Music Association
Graphic Artists Guild
Hachette Book Group
HarperCollins Publishers Worldwide, Inc.
Hyperion Books
Independent Film & Television Alliance (IFTA)
International Alliance of Theatrical and Stage Employees (IATSE)
International AntiCounterfeiting Coalition (IACC)
International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW)
International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT)
International Trademark Association (INTA)
International Union of Police Associations
L?Oreal
Lost Highway Records
Macmillan
Major County Sheriffs
Major League Baseball
Majority City Chiefs
Marvel Entertainment, LLC
MasterCard Worldwide
MCA Records
McGraw-Hill Education
Mercury Nashville
Minor League Baseball (MiLB)
Minority Media & Telecom Council (MMTC)
Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA)
Moving Picture Technicians
MPA ? The Association of Magazine Media
National Association of Manufacturers (NAM)
National Association of Prosecutor Coordinators
National Association of State Chief Information Officers
National Cable & Telecommunications Association (NCTA)
National Center for Victims of Crime
National Criminal Justice Association
National District Attorneys Association
National Domestic Preparedness Coalition
National Football League
National Governors Association, Economic Development and Commerce Committee
National League of Cities



National Narcotics Officers? Associations? Coalition
National Sheriffs' Association (NSA)
National Songwriters Association
National Troopers Coalition
News Corporation
Pearson Education
Penguin Group (USA), Inc.
Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA)
Pfizer, Inc.
Provident Music Group
Random House
Raulet Property Partners
Republic Nashville
Revlon
Scholastic, Inc.
Screen Actors Guild (SAG)
Showdog Universal Music
Sony/ATV Music Publishing
Sony Music Entertainment
Sony Music Nashville
State International Development Organization (SIDO)
The National Association of Theatre Owners (NATO)
Perseus Books Group
United States Conference of Mayors
Tiffany & Co.
Time Warner
True Religion Brand Jeans
UMG Publishing Group Nashville
United States Chamber of Commerce
United States Olympic Committee
United States Tennis Association
Universal Music
Universal Music Publishing Group
Viacom
Visa Inc.
W.W. Norton & Company
Wallace Bajjali Development Partners, L.P.
Warner Music Group
Warner Music Nashville
Wolters Kluwer Health
Word Entertainment
Zuffa



Baker & Hostetler LLP
Covington & Burling LLP
Cowan, DeBaets, Abrahams & Sheppard LLP
Cowan, Liebowitz & Latman, P.C.
Davis Wright Tremaine LLP
Go Daddy[3]
Electronic Arts* [4]
Irell & Manella LLP
Jenner & Block LLP



Kelley Drye & Warren LLP
Kendall Brill & Klieger LLP
Kinsella Weitzman Iser Kump & Aldisert LLP
Lathrop & Gage LLP
Loeb & Loeb LLP
Mitchell Silberberg & Knupp LLP
Morrison & Foerster LLP
Nintendo* [4]
Patterson Belknap Webb & Tyler LLP



Phillips Nizer, LLP
Proskauer Rose LLP
Robins, Kaplan, Miller & Ciresi LLP
Shearman & Sterling LLP
Simpson Thacher & Bartlett LLP
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP
Sony Computer Entertainment* [4]
White & Case LLP


P.S. I think it's more serious than merely economics.

Unfortunately I would have to agree with you on that. I wish it weren't so, but it is.

[Magn]

i picked up d2 for a fiver

That's the spirit :).

[freemehul]

from wiki:

60 Plus Association
ABC
Alliance for Safe Online Pharmacies (ASOP)
American Bankers Association (ABA)
American Federation of Musicians (AFM)
American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (AFTRA)
American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP)
Americans for Tax Reform
Artists and Allied Crafts of the United States
Association of American Publishers (AAP)
Association of State Criminal Investigative Agencies
Association of Talent Agents (ATA)
Beachbody, LLC
BMI
BMG Chrysalis
Building and Construction Trades Department
Capitol Records Nashville
CBS
Cengage Learning
Christian Music Trade Association
Church Music Publishers? Association
Coalition Against Online Video Piracy (CAOVP)
Comcast/NBC Universal
Concerned Women for America (CWA)
Congressional Fire Services Institute
Copyhype
Copyright Alliance
Coty, Inc.
Council of Better Business Bureaus (CBBB)
Council of State Governments
Country Music Association
Country Music Television
Creative America
Deluxe Digital Studios
Directors Guild of America (DGA)
Disney Publishing Worldwide, Inc.
Elsevier
EMI Christian Music Group
EMI Music Publishing
Entertainment Software Association (ESA)
ESPN
Est?e Lauder Companies



Foundation for Job Creation (www.jobcreation.us)
Fraternal Order of Police (FOP)
Gospel Music Association
Graphic Artists Guild
Hachette Book Group
HarperCollins Publishers Worldwide, Inc.
Hyperion Books
Independent Film & Television Alliance (IFTA)
International Alliance of Theatrical and Stage Employees (IATSE)
International AntiCounterfeiting Coalition (IACC)
International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW)
International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT)
International Trademark Association (INTA)
International Union of Police Associations
L?Oreal
Lost Highway Records
Macmillan
Major County Sheriffs
Major League Baseball
Majority City Chiefs
Marvel Entertainment, LLC
MasterCard Worldwide
MCA Records
McGraw-Hill Education
Mercury Nashville
Minor League Baseball (MiLB)
Minority Media & Telecom Council (MMTC)
Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA)
Moving Picture Technicians
MPA ? The Association of Magazine Media
National Association of Manufacturers (NAM)
National Association of Prosecutor Coordinators
National Association of State Chief Information Officers
National Cable & Telecommunications Association (NCTA)
National Center for Victims of Crime
National Criminal Justice Association
National District Attorneys Association
National Domestic Preparedness Coalition
National Football League
National Governors Association, Economic Development and Commerce Committee
National League of Cities



National Narcotics Officers? Associations? Coalition
National Sheriffs' Association (NSA)
National Songwriters Association
National Troopers Coalition
News Corporation
Pearson Education
Penguin Group (USA), Inc.
Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA)
Pfizer, Inc.
Provident Music Group
Random House
Raulet Property Partners
Republic Nashville
Revlon
Scholastic, Inc.
Screen Actors Guild (SAG)
Showdog Universal Music
Sony/ATV Music Publishing
Sony Music Entertainment
Sony Music Nashville
State International Development Organization (SIDO)
The National Association of Theatre Owners (NATO)
Perseus Books Group
United States Conference of Mayors
Tiffany & Co.
Time Warner
True Religion Brand Jeans
UMG Publishing Group Nashville
United States Chamber of Commerce
United States Olympic Committee
United States Tennis Association
Universal Music
Universal Music Publishing Group
Viacom
Visa Inc.
W.W. Norton & Company
Wallace Bajjali Development Partners, L.P.
Warner Music Group
Warner Music Nashville
Wolters Kluwer Health
Word Entertainment
Zuffa



Baker & Hostetler LLP
Covington & Burling LLP
Cowan, DeBaets, Abrahams & Sheppard LLP
Cowan, Liebowitz & Latman, P.C.
Davis Wright Tremaine LLP
Go Daddy[3]
Electronic Arts* [4]
Irell & Manella LLP
Jenner & Block LLP



Kelley Drye & Warren LLP
Kendall Brill & Klieger LLP
Kinsella Weitzman Iser Kump & Aldisert LLP
Lathrop & Gage LLP
Loeb & Loeb LLP
Mitchell Silberberg & Knupp LLP
Morrison & Foerster LLP
Nintendo* [4]
Patterson Belknap Webb & Tyler LLP



Phillips Nizer, LLP
Proskauer Rose LLP
Robins, Kaplan, Miller & Ciresi LLP
Shearman & Sterling LLP
Simpson Thacher & Bartlett LLP
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP
Sony Computer Entertainment* [4]
White & Case LLP


P.S. I think it's more serious than merely economics.

You know what I find most concerning anout this, is how widespread this is. I can manage to boycott racist companies that won't hire allochtonous people, but this is too big to get around even for me.

[Bishop]

Why are you all quoting massively long posts?

[freemehul]

Just to give you an example of the dealings (as a customer both direct and indirect) I had with the companies and associations listed in that list.

AAP (literary books)
BMI (healthcare material and tools)
CBS (David Letterman)
Disney Publishing Worldwide, Inc. (films: tron, bambi)
EMI (classical music CD's)
Hachette Book Group (belgian comic books, De Agostini is a subsidairy company for atlases and grammar books)
International Brotherhood of Teamsters (for transportation of books)
L'Oreal (shampoo)
Macmillan (law books)
MCA Records (classical music CD's)
McGraw-Hill Education (scientific books)
Pearson Education (scientific books)
Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (against athletes foot)
Perseus Books Group (latin dictionary)
Time Warner (Idesk on CNN with Hala Gorani)
Electronic Arts (formerly maxis, simcity, the sims)

some of these I can manage to boycott like EA (I've already boycotted them anyway), but others I actually need. Since legal and political options are off the table, because the endorsements and other actions have shown me neither of the two branches can be trusted, then a boycott of these companies would be the only viable non-violent alternative left for me. That list shows me that a non-violent option is not feasible. Damn this really isn't funny anymore! :(

I'd love to see someone hack into to their swiss bank accounts and then leak it to wikileaks, but it would probably only lead to someone like Assange and Manning getting arrested and then we'd hear nothing about it, because guess what our media is in on it too.

Oh how I loath this! It's kind of depressing to see on how much of a bunch of banana republics we've all become.

[freemehul]

(I say this as someone who happily "steals" music)
Online piracy is an issue. Producing music/tv shows/movies/ect costs money and in some cases a lot of money. It's far too easy for the average joe to just go on and steal the product for free.

However, all of the proposed "solutions" are way too drastic and would absolutely ruin sites like Youtube, Facebook, Google, ect. The funny part is that those three websites alone prolly pump more money into the economy than the whole media industry does (even including money lost through pirating). I do think they'll continue to try to find a solution to pirating, but I don't think they're dumb enough to compromise the huge websites that contribute so much to the country.

I disagree with that. Call me cynical, but I think they are dumb enough to do just that. Here is why! We can safely assume that at least 35% of the U.S. senate has been bought (read bribed) by these associations. The other 65% are old folks with no clue on how the internet works, so it is very likely that a senate majority will vote in favor of the proposal. Of course Obama could veto the proposal and he probably wants to veto the proposal, because he knows it is bad, but he won't veto it. Why do you ask? Because Obama needs media attention to get himself reelected. He can't get that attention from FOX, because hey they are all in favor of the republicans and everyone knows this. So where else can Obama go to? Oh right, CBS and CNN. Both companies are on the long list of companies and associations who are in favor of SOPA/PIPA. So basically if Obama vetoes the proposal, it will be political suicide.

The situation is a bit different in Europe but equally bad. De Gucht already knows the judges will decide in favor of ACTA, because he made a false statement saying that the public is uninformed. Which is of course b*llsh*t, because we sure as hell do know it is bad, because of these draconic measures that will ruin our economy by promoting a tit for tat corporate environment in Europe. So De Gucht only makes such a statement because he himself has been bribed and he knows enough judges have been too. He means to make that statement, because it will lend false credibility to those in favor of the proposal. And even if that doesn't help De Gucht and his cronies, and European parliament is hung, they can still get the ministers to vote in favor of it and use silent ratification of a treaty to make it law in all the EU nations. The actions of labour about the privacy laws have shown me that silent ratification will happen. My only hope here is that perhaps a country like Sweden will decide against it, but I seriously doubt it, because the legal actions against people like Assange have shown me that the Swedes have corruption issues of their own. And I seriously doubt the pirate party can create a majority against it. They simply aren't powerful enough.


These corrupt associations and bribed politicians want to make this situation appear to you like it is the cricket and the ant, but in reality it is the wolf and the lamb.

Link in case you don't get this ^ cryptic analysis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_de_La_Fontaine

[Magn]

I disagree with that.

...

Link in case you don't get this ^ cryptic analysis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_de_La_Fontaine

You forget that if things get too absurd, there is always the possibility of popular revolt.

This story is as old as the world and happened everywhere many times over.

Popular revolt doesn't guarantee that what will follow will be better, but it does shake things up and makes it a possibility.

It's not in the interest of the greater powers of the world (in modern Western society, that would be international corporate entities) to infringe on the interests of the regular folks too much.

People will bend to a point.

[freemehul]

You forget that if things get too absurd, there is always the possibility of popular revolt.

This story is as old as the world and happened everywhere many times over.

Popular revolt doesn't guarantee that what will follow will be better, but it does shake things up and makes it a possibility.

It's not in the interest of the greater powers of the world (in modern Western society, that would be international corporate entities) to infringe on the interests of the regular folks too much.

People will bend to a point.

in most of history popular revolts have only happened when the media roused them up to it. It was true for Russia, it was true for France, it was true for the Netherlands, and the United States

Really there aren't that many nations were a popular revolt succeeded with no backing from the media. That's the problem here, we are relying too much on established media.

Look we all know this bribery is bigger than the teapot dome scandal, but will we hear about it? No!

[Magn]

in most of history popular revolts have only happened when the media roused them up to it. It was true for Russia, it was true for France, it was true for the Netherlands, and the United States

Really there aren't that many nations were a popular revolt succeeded with no backing from the media. That's the problem here, we are relying too much on established media.

Look we all know this is bribery is bigger than the teapot dome scandal, but will we hear about it? No!

The French Revolution didn't need the media (paper, television, the internet, the radio, etc) to happen.

People were starving and really pissed at the luxurious life the monarchy was living (which was plain for everyone to see... crazy luxury is pretty hard to hide) while they were living in the gutters.

The endless cycle of dynastic revolutions in China didn't need the media either. The gentry took care of it.

Revolutions that happen in dictatorships can't rely on the media as they are in the hands of whoever is in power.

History is full of that stuff.

Even without a proper education, people are dumb, but they are not THAT dumb. They won't buy what media/authorities tell them about their life being great if really their life is crap, especially when they have a basis for comparison (the life of opulence that the elite is living).

[Kemia]

There are so many people that are so passionate about this and enthusiastic that is amazing!!! I am glad everyone is sharing their thoughts and opinion and not just "trolling"

[flutterby]

Even without a proper education, people are dumb, but they are not THAT dumb. They won't buy what media/authorities tell them about their life being great if really their life is crap, especially when they have a basis for comparison (the life of opulence that the elite is living).

They may not be that dumb, but they are becoming that lazy.

[freemehul]

The French Revolution didn't need the media (paper, television, the internet, the radio, etc) to happen.

People were starving and really pissed at the luxurious life the monarchy was living (which was plain for everyone to see... crazy luxury is pretty hard to hide) while they were living in the gutters.

The endless cycle of dynastic revolutions in China didn't need the media either. The gentry took care of it.

Revolutions that happen in dictatorships can't rely on the media as they are in the hands of whoever is in power.

History is full of that stuff.

Even without a proper education, people are dumb, but they are not THAT dumb. They won't buy what media/authorities tell them about their life being great if really their life is crap, especially when they have a basis for comparison (the life of opulence that the elite is living).

ah but mass media does put oil on the fire, and there were definitely a lot of newspapers around in those days

[Ron Burgundy]

hhhmmm...