BE seems not to effect my max horses

[hb23]

does BE not effect certain buildings, got 119%BE. and my horse total does not include this, am i missing somthing.

[Bishop]

Stable capacity is flat rate - I.E a flat X amount per acre.

[hb23]

found my answer in wiki,
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Building Efficiency affects all Flat Rate and Percentage-Based buildings.
Building Efficiency has NO effect on Capacity Buildings as well as Libraries

[DHaran]

Stables are a capacity building, that aspect is not affected by BE.

http://wiki.utopia-game.com/index.ph...ulas#Buildings

[DHaran]

Wow I got double ninja'd.... I suck.

Stable capacity is flat rate

Don't use the term "flat rate" it will only confuse them nublet Bishop.

# Building Efficiency affects all Flat Rate and Percentage-Based buildings.
# Building Efficiency has NO effect on Capacity Buildings as well as Libraries.

[hb23]

so i guess as a dwarf with high BE stables are less effective than TG

[Bishop]

ya hb23 - the amount of horsies drafted per day will be affected by BE though

[hb23]

thx will be razing my stables then.

[DHaran]

thx will be razing my stables then.

Send your horses out on attacks and they won't die from lack of stables :P Then you get the best of both worlds. Or steal them from people.

[hb23]

how quick do they die off without stables, do i need to send my army out the instant its back, as dwarf with -25%thife eff my tpa is no good so stealing them is out of the question

[DHaran]

how quick do they die off without stables, do i need to send my army out the instant its back, as dwarf with -25%thife eff my tpa is no good so stealing them is out of the question

I'm not sure on the rate of loss without stables, but it's fairly high I believe. You would have to send them back out before the hourly tick, that's when they would die/leave.

[TerricK]

Horses dessert/die very fast without stables!

[nooblet]

What they said.

Stables are only good for races that can run armies-in-armies-out and would have little reason to turtle, and then only when there are enough tg. Being immune to BE works in most races' favor. Ideally if you are using stables you have 15-20% tg as well. As mentioned you can raze and rebuild stables once your armies are out.

[Ethan]

I know people are going to start yelling about it again - but consider forts as well. Since dwarf has high BE, stables and homes are both comparatively weaker that usual. For offensive mods, this leaves you with... TG. But at high %s (over 20% maybe, and certainly over 30%) the DBE (decreasing building efficiency - if you don't know this yet, study it in the wiki!) really makes them ineffective too. But you can still use forts at lower %s (2:1 TG:Forts is usually safe - 1:1 is sometimes ok even) to make room for "more" TGs that don't suffer DBE as much. The trick is to pick a target defense (talk to your kingdom about this) and instead of using forts to raise your DPA, use it to lower how much defensive units you need to get to the target DPA. (Because they can kill all your pes and ruin your BE in war, and also because NW/A will go up a tiny bit... still raise DPA a small about.) All those defensive units you saved with forts? Make them offense! Now your already high TGs will be modding up an even bigger number!

Truly optimal static point is often surprisingly close to 1:1 between TGs and Forts for a higher offensive elite race (orc/undead actually get the best static numbers with *more* forts than TGs), but all that yelling about how forts are bad *does* have somewhat of a point. Always aim to be at least a bit "too heavy" on the TGs at the cost of being a bit "too light" on the forts - once stuff starts changing like crazy in war it'll leave you in better shape.


Also dwarf attacker wants to look at having good hospitals (unless cleric, and even the maybe 5-10%), and probably some solid banks too. Solid WT's also a life saver - and notice how all these use those good % effects. If you build for a bit better durability you might find you only have 20% land to put into straight offense mods... and then you probably just go 20% TGs, or 15% TG 5% Forts. A "breaker" you won't be, and 100 opa isn't gonna be your thing... but if you can just keep hitting with about 80%+ of the "breaker's" OPA, you shouldn't wear down as fast, and so you'll start carrying the load later in the war. Again, talk to your kingdom about taking on a role like that - if your kingdom only ever fights min time wars, you've got a poor race choice this age, but do the best to make a big hitter out of it anyway.

[nooblet]

I know people are going to start yelling about it again - but consider forts as well. Since dwarf has high BE, stables and homes are both comparatively weaker that usual. For offensive mods, this leaves you with... TG. But at high %s (over 20% maybe, and certainly over 30%) the DBE (decreasing building efficiency - if you don't know this yet, study it in the wiki!) really makes them ineffective too. But you can still use forts at lower %s (2:1 TG:Forts is usually safe - 1:1 is sometimes ok even) to make room for "more" TGs that don't suffer DBE as much. The trick is to pick a target defense (talk to your kingdom about this) and instead of using forts to raise your DPA, use it to lower how much defensive units you need to get to the target DPA. (Because they can kill all your pes and ruin your BE in war, and also because NW/A will go up a tiny bit... still raise DPA a small about.) All those defensive units you saved with forts? Make them offense! Now your already high TGs will be modding up an even bigger number!

lolol, i'll bite...
First, using forts under the assumption that you can choose to skimp on defense is completely counterproductive. If I'm building forts it's because I want more defense and can't possibly train enough army or keep enough at home. If I want offense I'll build TGs or stables, train offense, and if both of those are in place I set up my province to be able to train more offense, rather than build forts. If I need defense, and only if I need defense, I build forts. Your notion of using forts to reduce the number of defense specs used is something that will kill pretty much any province... you'll get hit just as much, and each nightstrike and combat losses will drop your defense even more than they would without the forts.

Truly optimal static point is often surprisingly close to 1:1 between TGs and Forts for a higher offensive elite race (orc/undead actually get the best static numbers with *more* forts than TGs), but all that yelling about how forts are bad *does* have somewhat of a point. Always aim to be at least a bit "too heavy" on the TGs at the cost of being a bit "too light" on the forts - once stuff starts changing like crazy in war it'll leave you in better shape.

Game is too dynamic to care about static points, whether you're in war or not... especially if you're orc or undead.

Also dwarf attacker wants to look at having good hospitals (unless cleric, and even the maybe 5-10%), and probably some solid banks too. Solid WT's also a life saver - and notice how all these use those good % effects. If you build for a bit better durability you might find you only have 20% land to put into straight offense mods... and then you probably just go 20% TGs, or 15% TG 5% Forts. A "breaker" you won't be, and 100 opa isn't gonna be your thing... but if you can just keep hitting with about 80%+ of the "breaker's" OPA, you shouldn't wear down as fast, and so you'll start carrying the load later in the war. Again, talk to your kingdom about taking on a role like that - if your kingdom only ever fights min time wars, you've got a poor race choice this age, but do the best to make a big hitter out of it anyway.

So with all of those % buildings, do you think forts are still good?

Anyway, last war I did build forts, and they made the difference between being 2x hit and 3x hit... but I didn't build them until after I got ghetto-chained, so I still had some defense left and huge ME mods from being hit so often and so badly, and I was pimping 20%+ TG on top of that. In that situation things change way too frequently to give a damn about static numbers, but I surely wasn't going to be able to train defense fast enough to get to the level I wanted. Being able to use all of my generals for hits and still having elites at home helped my decision to use forts, because the kingdom I was fighting did operate on the notion that they could use forts to replace defense, only to find their forts worthless once all their defense deserted, and their tendency to always suicide. Had I been fighting a good kingdom I would have had to worry about nightstrikes in that spot, but fortunately they stopped trying to put any ops on me after they thought I was down.

Moral of the story... forts are a defensive building, not an offensive one. If you want good defense and your offense is good enough, then by all means use forts. If you want more offense, stick with the buildings that mod offense and after that, economy so that you can keep training offfense or defense rather than hope for forts to work.