Halflings

[beechmon]

My kingdom decided to go a different route with 4 tm's, faery mystics, a few elf mystics, and some orc tact(as intel and minor thieving)... i feel like we are lacking A/T and was thinking of putting in like 3 halfling, maybe rogue, warrior or tactician. we do war a lot, and haven't heard much discussion on the new halflings combos... or would Humans work at all for this?

[Palar]

Neither are effective as attackers esp compared to all dem Orcs/UD/Dw and elf even. Better for a/T if u want halfers.

[Avenger]

Both are kinda' teh suck for hybridization.

[Ahab]

There won't be any good a/t hybrids this age. At best, some weak a/Ts are possible but they won't have much military power.

[kilava]

A halfling/rogue a/T with 500 BPA can have about 60-65 mod opa (OPNW = .3457ish) , 45ish mod dpa (army out, DPNW = .2579), 17 mod tpa and 2 mod wpa

Edit: Assuming 1 def spec per acre for dragon killing and the rest elites. With off specs and a more static defense you could get a better OPNW.

[Avenger]

That's not impressive at all.

[Bishop]

For some reason people always think halfers should have high OPA. Its always confused me. 65 opa is more than enough when you can ns the crap out of people.

[kilava]

I didn't say it was I just gave some reasonable numbers.

Edit: I agree with bishop that 65 mod opa is enough offense for a a/T.

[DDodge]

There are only two races viable next age, ya'll haven't figured it out yet. Hint: one is NOT faery, although the other one is ^_^

[Ahab]

A halfling rogue releasing to 45 dpa will get massacred to hell unless they're out of range.

[Demascus]

Is it viable to keep a Halfling with kilava's numbers and use it for retal/send out attacker. Assuming relative size it shouldn't need to be sending out any more offense tthan 45 opa keeping more defense at home. I personally wouldn't try this without their +10% pop but...*shrug*

[Bishop]

its totally viable.

[Demascus]

If that's the case it can still get its 2 hits a day. Use specs to train up and use a lot of your income to train up your half priced thieves to keep tpa up.

[pathetic sheep]

A halfling/rogue a/T with 500 BPA can have about 60-65 mod opa (OPNW = .3457ish) , 45ish mod dpa (army out, DPNW = .2579), 17 mod tpa and 2 mod wpa

Edit: Assuming 1 def spec per acre for dragon killing and the rest elites. With off specs and a more static defense you could get a better OPNW.

You will not need 17 mod TPA. Assuming dens X1.6 and science X2 and race +1.5 you get a 4.8 multiplier. A raw TPA of 2.0 will still give max damage or close enough on most operations. A mod TPA of 9.6 is overkill for plenty of targets. An extra 1 or 2 offensive specs should bump you over opnw 0.4.

Late in the war halflings have the mounted soldiers attacking at base 3.0 with networth 2.1.

[Ethan]

2 rTPA is enough for an A/t type role - steal, kidnap, etc. Not enough, mods or no, for an A/T proper. For one thing... +100% sci is hard. Like, I'm a sage and focused on it hard. Rogues don't get that normally. For another - I've run 10 mTPA, and it ain't enough to NS reliably. I could pull it off on *some* targets, but not reliably, and not on all the attackers. 15 mTPA seems like a good target for an A/T proper, imo. Which probably translates to 4-5 rTPA, which leaves a bit for growth/losses.

As a straight attacker, I show halfer at 92% of an orcs strength. Which shows that:
A) halfer is not a straight attacker
B) halfer is a competitive hybrid

Upping mTPA (before dens) to 10, for example, puts the halfer at 102% of an orc with the same tpa. So, even ignoring the T/M malus of orc, if you run enough mTPA, halfer is a *better* attacker than orc is.

I make no claim as to how useful a hybrid *is*, just that halfer makes a solid hybrid. And ya, the numbers cited by kilava look to be ballpark right - I get values like that too. Better even (like .5 OPNW), but that's cause I'm looking mostly at attacking numbers, so the OPNW is inflated by lack of tpa.