Target Finder

[Bijo]

here you go in one XLS file you have the all utopian world

you don't have that even in the charts :)

http://thedragonportal.eu/Age54_July_16_YR0.jpg
http://thedragonportal.eu/Age54_July_16_YR0.xls

you can also filter that list if you like b4 the scan

[Bishop]

Hey Bishop,

What is your view on target finders? Do you think they should be banned as a form of cheating or rather supported as they make playing utopia easier and save time? Would you consider building an official target finder or even a war target finder?

Realistically there is no way you can ban them - they don't do plaything that you cant do yourself. Adding filters to the kdpage was something we were discussing before - its definitely on a to do list.

[Angelus]

obviously you don't know what you are talking about ....

obviously you do not know what you are talking about, the addon does automation while the user is unaware.

2. its totally legal because its not sending anything to the utopian server

The addon scans the server while the user waits, this means sending requests to the server, so this is "sending anything to the utopian server". In fact, it scans from 1:1 to x:40 which is thousands of requests.

Am i wrong?

[Bijo]

The addon scans the server while the user waits, this means sending requests to the server, so this is "sending anything to the utopian server". In fact, it scans from 1:1 to x:40 which is thousands of requests.

Am i wrong?

wrong :)

thousands of requests?????

worker is upload a page

from 1:1 to 9:40 = 9*40 = 360 pages (that's not thousands)

not its taking ~3 mins to scan all

now 360/3 = 120 kds in a min

meaning

120/60 = 2 kd page per sec looks ok to me

it loading it like you would just press the "next" or "random" button

the only diff is its automatic filter the result online in real time

so whats wrong?

[Angelus]

Ok, you have refined the list from the last time I was asked to check it.

I was wrong. oops.

Still tho, its 360 page requests each time it is used? If i use this twice a day, thats 5040 requests in a week no? And each time its used, it increases traffic which will affect the speed of the server.

You are shouting out about how legit it is, when in actual fact it is not legit, and there is no way it can be legit.

Let you users know how it works, do not let them do 360 requests each time they want to search for a target in case they actually get deleted.

[Bishop]

Unless the user is visiting the pages themselves its automation and isn't allowed.

[XXVIII]

I emailed the webmaster of ******************.eu before the Danish thing happened earlier this week asking for permission to link to his site and informing about his method of gaining information. It's hard for me to consider what he's doing to be anything 'wrong', more like incredibly helpful and attentive. Having the ability to compare kingdoms before war, or see generated statistics of ongoing wars on the 'fly' (especially that part) is something I do like incredibly much. If anything it should be integrated into utopia itself, in case the kdwide scan delives trouble in terms of requests to the servers.

About the Danish thing, I asked the webmaster about it but he did not reply to me on the matter. As I can gather perhaps a group of Danish IP's caused his way of gathering information to maybe increase in request sufficiently, or a script someone launched for a Danish IP requesting more information than needed. At first ****************** was down totally with the warning that it would be private from now on, but a day after it became open up for non-danish IP's (I reckon, I have not actually checked Denmark is blocked). Im glad this happened and the webmaster did not decide to privatise it completely. It is perhaps harsh to convict an entire nation over the action of perhaps one or a couple of individuals; but that's the worldwide consequence of hooliganism I presume!

[Bijo]

Ok, you have refined the list from the last time I was asked to check it.

I was wrong. oops.

Still tho, its 360 page requests each time it is used? If i use this twice a day, thats 5040 requests in a week no? And each time its used, it increases traffic which will affect the speed of the server.

You are shouting out about how legit it is, when in actual fact it is not legit, and there is no way it can be legit.

Let you users know how it works, do not let them do 360 requests each time they want to search for a target in case they actually get deleted.

i think it will help lower the traffic on the server and not the other way around ...

if ppl have a list or a filter or just use a sction and not the all world they will find a target fast and they wont need to use it many times at all

after a good hit it will hours to hit again ...

1. ppl dont need to search a large section
2. they dont need to use it even sec like you wrote
3. it should lower the traffic on the server
4. its only scan ~2-3 pages per sec like i wrote above
5. this been used already like 2-3 ages now

meaning scan should be faster and easier to find s target in real time
this way it should also lower the traffic on the server
ppl are already using it and its scaning the pages more or less at the same rate that you are loading the pages manually

the loading rate of the pages is not diff from opening 2-3 tabs on the firefox of diff loc manually per sec

whats not clear about it

plus if someone is doing a search or have found a few good target and sharing that with the kds for a wave or some other stuff it should lower the search on the server for targets

meaning if ppl will now more or less where are the best fat targets on the server they wont need to do another server (atlease not for a while!)

[Bijo]

Unless the user is visiting the pages themselves its automation and isn't allowed.

bishop you told me your self you can mess with client side as much as i want
as long as it cant mess with what gets sent to the server

[Angelus]

bishop you told me your self you can mess with client side as much as i want
as long as it cant mess with what gets sent to the server

If ur addon is making 360 requests of the kingdom page, how is this considered "client-side"?

Client-side, infers that nothing is done external to the client, so when your addon downloads a copy of the kd page by an automated procedure it ceases to be client side as it interacts with the server without user interaction.

You keep saying that its not automation, while I, Bishop and countless other people are telling you it is, why?

[Bijo]

If ur addon is making 360 requests of the kingdom page, how is this considered "client-side"?

Client-side, infers that nothing is done external to the client, so when your addon downloads a copy of the kd page by an automated procedure it ceases to be client side as it interacts with the server without user interaction.

You keep saying that its not automation, while I, Bishop and countless other people are telling you it is, why?

countless people???

i already told you its not asking those 360 pages at the same time ...

there are at any given time 10% of the plays on the server are online

let say 10% will use the target finder

thats means around 700 ppl will load ~1500 pages per sec for 3 mins

wow such a huge traffic lol

and there is no way everyone will use the target finder at the same time
not to mantion that after a scan they wont need to use it for a few hours at least...

its like i am talking to myself here

its not about server "usage" at all

you have the numbers above calc as you like!

[Bishop]

The numbers are irrelevant - any automation is forbidden.

[Angelus]

countless people???

i already told you its not asking those 360 pages at the same time ...

there are at any given time 10% of the plays on the server are online

let say 10% will use the target finder

thats means around 700 ppl will load ~1500 pages per sec for 3 mins

wow such a huge traffic lol

and there is no way everyone will use the target finder at the same time
not to mantion that after a scan they wont need to use it for a few hours at least...

its like i am talking to myself here

its not about server "usage" at all

you have the numbers above calc as you like!

There really is no point in trying to get you to comprehend what you're doing is wrong. sigh...

[Bijo]

The numbers are irrelevant - any automation is forbidden.

how can you say that???

its not automation process that send info to the server in the end

its a totaly diff thing that can lower the usage on the server

the list of the XLS that i am posting and the mini scans ppl will do cant hurt the server at all lol

why are you referring to it as "automation" when in fact we/you are worried about server usage

alot of tools are using automation to filer data from a loading page : angel utools etc

its not about automation at all its about loting alot of pages at once

but thats the thing ... its not loading them all in one

but i am gussing its not about that at all

its just you want to tell me NO! and thats it!

or somthing like that

its not about if i am right about the usage or not at all

and if thats the case then their is no point to keep on talking about that


good day!

[Angelus]

how can you say that???

its not automation process that send info to the server in the end

You have already lost your argument with this line.

The seconds it starts scanning the kingdom pages it is automation. the user is not clicking anything, your script is doing it in the background. AUTOMATICALLY

(notice that that word contains "automat" as in "automation")

good day!

Good day to you too sir!