Check my numbers and tell me where I'm messing up.

[JackRabbitSlim]

The leadership in my Kingdom has asked us to try to get our _PA's to specific levels. They want them as follows:

DPA- 38
OPA- 70
TPA- 2
WPA- 2

I'm having trouble crunching the numbers and making this work. I have a 1,500 acre Province. So at that acreage I should have the following:

Defensive Specialists- 14,250(4 points each)
Elites- 15,000(7 points each)
Thieves- 3,000
Wizards- 3,000

This is a total of 35,250, not counting any Peasants.
At 1,500 acres, with 0% Homes I should have around 37,500 jobs which can be done by 25,000 Peasants.
So, according to my numbers, I am going to be very short on workers.
If my Province has 25 Peasants per Acre, that is 37,500 Peasants.
I am going to need 35,250 of them to complete the tasks given by my leaders.
That only leaves me with 2,250 Peasants to do the 37,500 Jobs I have.
I know that I haven't taken in to account any Science Bonuses, ME Bonuses or any other Bonus, but I can't imagine there being a Utopian Bonus or combination of Bonuses that will make up for the lack of 22,750 Peasants to do these jobs.
So, PLEASE, someone tell me I am doing something totally wrong and that this can be done.
These people(My Leaders) have supposed to have been playing the game for many Ages.
So I assume I am the one that is wrong.
Even if you can't get these numbers exactly, please tell me a way to get as close as possible.

[Cieva]

you are calculating with 100 military efficiency.
200% wages, training grounds, minor protection will increase your ME and thus you are able to get the _PAs with less military

[lastunicorn]

You don't have to fill all of your jobs. Shoot instead for 6 peasants per acre. What race are you?

[JackRabbitSlim]

Undead

[lastunicorn]

8% pop sci is easy to get, which will give 27 ppa
120% OME with wages/TGs or stables means you have to get 8.3 epa
112% DME with wages/MP means you have to get 8.5 dspa

8.3+8.5+2+2=20.8 leaving you with 6.2 peasants per acre.

[Humanoize]

8.3+8.5+2+2=20.8 leaving you with 6.2 peasants per acre.

maybe good to add

+2+2 = +2 raw WPA and + 2 raw TPA

[Persain]

if you build right you can easily take
27 population/acre for undead

2 raw tpa
2 raw wpa
38 mod dpa (200% wages+ MP)=>8.4 dspec/acre
70 mod opa (15% TG at 73% BE, 10 % stables+4 generals)=>6.6 leet/acre

19 pop/acre =>8 peasents per acre (draft rate of 63%)

as last unicorn said your missing the % ME mods

for you at 1500 acres that means
3k theives/wizzards
12,600 dspecs
9,900 leets...with 10 % stables 200% wages and 15%TG

[JackRabbitSlim]

Thank you guys. This helped me out alot.

For one thing, you had my OME at 120%. I can get that to 126% pretty easily.
Plus I'm a Warrior, so I get the added General.
With a few TG's(5%) during War, 11% Stables, 200% Wages and my added General, I can hit well above 70OPA.

I was worried about the TPA and WPA, but I now see that it can be done.
Mostly based on the 8% Science Bonus to Population. I'm already at 6.2%.

Thanks again. I believe I can do this now.

[Persain]

Thank you guys. This helped me out alot.
Plus I'm a Warrior, so I get the added General.
I can hit well above 70OPA.

As an undead warrior you an EASILY hit 100 opa during war, i'd recommend aiming for that as your number.

[Ethan]

IMO, having greater that 2:1 Off:Def is not a good plan for most people. Especially if your NW/A is higher that most of your kingdom's, I'd send a little note to your leadership explaining how much offense you are managing, and letting them know you are going to target 40 (or 45) dpa instead to stay at a 2:1 off:def ratio. Point out this means you can start the war doubling same sized people, so it isn't as though you are "skimping" on your duties as an attacker.

Also consider getting slightly more "defense" in the TPA/WPA/Hospitals/GS/WTs manner. *If* you are getting high offense than most in your kingdom... you are the natural target, because you are the most dangerous. Tanking better forces the enemy to work harder or take longer to mess you up.


Also note - numbers on paper are a lot easier than numbers on a province. These are good targets - but don't go "bragging" about how cool you are to your kingdom till you actually get there. Otherwise when you ask for the exception... and then have to back away from it, you look pretty silly. But definitely don't let the big looking numbers scare you away either - the math shows how to get them, or better.

[JackRabbitSlim]

I agree that the numbers on paper are alot easier to get than the actual Province numbers. I am working towards these goals. I started this thread out thinking it was near impossible to do. Now I see that I was wrong.

I'm not going to brag to anyone about my Offense or Defense. I'm not that personality type. I let my actions do my bragging. I appreciate everything that has been shared here.

Like I said, I will be working toward the goal of 2TPA, 2WPA, 38DPA and 70OPA. If I can get better in some of the fields, I will be careful as to which I do that in.

Thanks again!

[nooblet]

Most kingdoms just set goals for raw offense per acre, usually in the form of "x elites per acre, y def spec per acre". Mod offense can be tweaked by a lot of things, so it's not as reliable a metric.
70 mod opa / 38 mod dpa is pretty close to what an undead province with TW would have with 8 def spec/acre and rest as mostly elite.

Yes, you're expected to draft about that high. If you can't draft that high, you should still keep about the same proportion of offense to defense, or train offense with higher priority than defense. Having 75%+ draft isn't an absolute requirement, it's basically the upper end of a province's strength before further drafting is prohibitively expensive.
I find that the lack of raw income and high maintenance costs of troops is a bigger problem than BE at high draft rates.

Do take care to remember that during war, you'll probably want to split your armies in 2, sometimes 3-5 parts, so you shouldn't factor the generals as part of your OPA goals.